*****The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power*****

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11:56a, 10/4/22
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I think the conversation between Adar and Halbrand made me believe that Halbrand isn't Sauron and is either a potential Ring Wraith or the King of the Dead. Mainly Adar mentioning some child or love that he killed. And the reaction from Halbrand there made me think he hit the nail on the head.

I'm leaning towards the King of the Dead as the writers will want to give him some redemption story as he's pretty likeable right now.
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 11:59a, 10/4/22
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I think he is definitely going to be a RingWraith. That much is fairly obvious, seeing as we will need 9 kings of men. I think the other Numenorean with the big grey beard will also end up being one of the Nine.

The King of the Dead is king of the people in the mountain, not in the Southlands. That would be quite the change, if they were to do that. Unless Halbrand migrates his people to those mountains after Orodruin erupted.
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 12:02p, 10/4/22
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OnlyForNow said:
Going back to when we first meet him, he is also very adamant that he is a horrible being and has done many horrible things.

Maybe he realizes he is evil or evil reincarnated?

If this is in reference to his possibly being Suaron, I don't think the Evil One having a crisis of conscience would sit well with most fans.

If he is/was just a follower, or perhaps the eventual Mouth of Sauron or Witch King, that's a different story and it might work really well.
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12:04p, 10/4/22
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If he is turns out being a Ring Wraith, it doesn't mean he turns to evil, per se. It would be more of a tragic story of being consumed by the evil power of Sauron, falling into darkness and being pulled into the shadow spiritual realm.
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In reply to Lathspell • 12:06p, 10/4/22
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DallasTeleAg said:
I think he is definitely going to be a RingWraith. That much is fairly obvious, seeing as we will need 9 kings of men. I think the other Numenorean with the big grey beard will also end up being one of the Nine.

The King of the Dead is king of the people in the mountain, not in the Southlands. That would be quite the change, if they were to do that. Unless Halbrand migrates his people to those mountains after Orodruin erupted.


The "southlands" are no longer habitable for humans after the eruption and the resulting orc-friendlier skies. It seems like a foregone conclusion that he's going to have to migrate with them somewhere.
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In reply to PatAg • 12:10p, 10/4/22
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PatAg said:
canadiaggie said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
Do we know if Adar is an elf or just the Miss America of orcs? That whole thing confuses me. Like he calls himself an orc, but then he has the same customs as the elves with the seeds.


They have gone with the "Morgoth created Orcs by corrupting Elves" version of the origin of Orcs. In that sense Adar is a proto-Orc or one of the true Morgothian Orcs.
Excuse me, it's Uruk.


Uh oh. Mispronouned the species of someone.
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In reply to Lathspell • 12:42p, 10/4/22
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DallasTeleAg said:
I think he is definitely going to be a RingWraith. That much is fairly obvious, seeing as we will need 9 kings of men. I think the other Numenorean with the big grey beard will also end up being one of the Nine.

The King of the Dead is king of the people in the mountain, not in the Southlands. That would be quite the change, if they were to do that. Unless Halbrand migrates his people to those mountains after Orodruin erupted.
Making Pharazon a Ring Wraith is one helluva retcon. I think I'd stomach Sauron's having a conscience first before THAT leap...
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In reply to Maximus_Meridius • 12:43p, 10/4/22
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Maximus_Meridius said:
DallasTeleAg said:
I think he is definitely going to be a RingWraith. That much is fairly obvious, seeing as we will need 9 kings of men. I think the other Numenorean with the big grey beard will also end up being one of the Nine.

The King of the Dead is king of the people in the mountain, not in the Southlands. That would be quite the change, if they were to do that. Unless Halbrand migrates his people to those mountains after Orodruin erupted.
Making Pharazon a Ring Wraith is one helluva retcon. I think I'd stomach Sauron's having a conscience first before THAT leap...
He's going to have to lose that gut if he wants to qualify as a wraith.
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In reply to The Porkchop Express • 12:54p, 10/4/22
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The Porkchop Express said:
Maximus_Meridius said:
DallasTeleAg said:
I think he is definitely going to be a RingWraith. That much is fairly obvious, seeing as we will need 9 kings of men. I think the other Numenorean with the big grey beard will also end up being one of the Nine.

The King of the Dead is king of the people in the mountain, not in the Southlands. That would be quite the change, if they were to do that. Unless Halbrand migrates his people to those mountains after Orodruin erupted.
Making Pharazon a Ring Wraith is one helluva retcon. I think I'd stomach Sauron's having a conscience first before THAT leap...
He's going to have to lose that gut if he wants to qualify as a wraith.
I think Pharazon usurps the throne of Numenor in some form or fashion. I just feel like from what we have seen from his character so far he desires power/influence more than anything.
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In reply to DTP02 • 12:59p, 10/4/22
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That would be quite the migration. Why would they go that far?

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In reply to KCup17 • 1:01p, 10/4/22
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That was certainly set up.
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In reply to KCup17 • 1:15p, 10/4/22
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KCup17 said:
The Porkchop Express said:
Maximus_Meridius said:
DallasTeleAg said:
I think he is definitely going to be a RingWraith. That much is fairly obvious, seeing as we will need 9 kings of men. I think the other Numenorean with the big grey beard will also end up being one of the Nine.

The King of the Dead is king of the people in the mountain, not in the Southlands. That would be quite the change, if they were to do that. Unless Halbrand migrates his people to those mountains after Orodruin erupted.
Making Pharazon a Ring Wraith is one helluva retcon. I think I'd stomach Sauron's having a conscience first before THAT leap...
He's going to have to lose that gut if he wants to qualify as a wraith.
I think Pharazon usurps the throne of Numenor in some form or fashion. I just feel like from what we have seen from his character so far he desires power/influence more than anything.
Well if I recall correctly, he forces Miriel to marry him. Now, the big question is if that is described somewhere in the Appendices, because they can't use the other lore writings. He's going to really use the anti-elf/anti-Valar sentiment to come to power and bring about the destruction of Numenor.
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In reply to Maximus_Meridius • 1:38p, 10/4/22
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Call him the Numenorian Hilter.
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9:23p, 10/4/22
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 9:29p, 10/4/22
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It's funny how most episode analysis/reaction thumbnails look exactly like you'd expect them to look. Not in a good or bad way, they all just have the same, distinct vibe. This guy's thumbnails, however, always look like a Sunday school lesson or sermon being streamed, and it always cracks me up, without even clicking on it.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:47p, 10/4/22
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It's very much that vibe on the videos. It's Tolkien school for every episode.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 10:29p, 10/4/22
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How long is the video?
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In reply to redline248 • 10:47p, 10/4/22
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Twice as long as the episode.
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10:52p, 10/4/22
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That's a no from me, dog
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In reply to Maximus_Meridius • 7:01a, 10/5/22
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Was there a reason Amazon only bought a portion of the rights? Seems like the story they're trying to tell is really hamstrung but the stuff they don't own.
https://twitter.com/yourboyalbert/status/327874976327819264
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7:09a, 10/5/22
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Speaking of tv rights, I'm still having trouble connecting with this show. Idk why, it's gorgeously shot and you can see the money/effort they put into it (unlike wheel of time). I like all the actors but idk if it's maybe I'm bored with another story about sauron as the big bad? They keep referencing Morgoth this and Morgoth that and the whole time I'm like.."I think I'd rather watch a prequel series about Morgoth's rise and defeat?"

So idk if it's a "villain problem" or just the fact that I know exactly how this story ends, but I can't seem to find myself invested in any of these characters. Unlike House of The Dragon, where I have no idea who "wins" or dies or whatever (not to say that story doesn't have its own problems in creating characters to "cheer" for) , I know Isildur slices Sauron's finger off and Galadriel & Elrond stick around for Frodo's quest.
https://twitter.com/yourboyalbert/status/327874976327819264
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 7:10a, 10/5/22
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Pretty sure dealing with the Tolkien estate is notoriously difficult and they really don't like giving up the rights to the stories.
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In reply to M.C. Swag • 7:37a, 10/5/22
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The last episode where people we know survive get into a dire situation, kills any suspense for me. This always happens when you're doing a prequel, plot armor as they say.

I wish writers in general would adapt, but unfortunately I don't see that effort being put into a story.
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In reply to AtlAg05 • 7:42a, 10/5/22
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I mean.... we know the named Numeranorans survive - and probably Andoir and his human girl friend, and probably her kid.

Everyone else can be a red shirt though.
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In reply to wangus12 • 8:42a, 10/5/22
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wangus12 said:
Pretty sure dealing with the Tolkien estate is notoriously difficult and they really don't like giving up the rights to the stories.
Amazon paid $250m. What didn't they get?
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In reply to redline248 • 8:52a, 10/5/22
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redline248 said:
That's a no from me, dog
There was a Tolkien professor on the Friendship Onion podcast a while back (Dom Monaghan and Billy Boyd's podcast), and he said that in his college course, they go through one page of Tolkien per class or so. So 2 hours on every single page of LOTR.

This Rings and Realms series is cake in the Tolkien world.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 8:54a, 10/5/22
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That class last 20 years?

I almost feel like we need a separate "I've seen and read the LOTR and Hobbit but that's basically it" thread, but there'd only be like three people on it.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 8:56a, 10/5/22
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
redline248 said:
That's a no from me, dog
There was a Tolkien professor on the Friendship Onion podcast a while back (Dom Monaghan and Billy Boyd's podcast), and he said that in his college course, they go through one page of Tolkien per class or so. So 2 hours on every single page of LOTR.

This Rings and Realms series is cake in the Tolkien world.
He has a podcast that is going through LOTR. I am 7 episodes in (about 2 hours each) and we are still in chapter 2
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In reply to powerbelly • 9:01a, 10/5/22
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It takes him a year or something to get through the Council of Elrond chapter
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In reply to rynning • 9:03a, 10/5/22
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They didn't get ANYTHING from the Hobbit or LOTR trilogy. - This is wrong.


They apparently get all that.
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 9:09a, 10/5/22
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OnlyForNow said:
They didn't get ANYTHING from the Hobbit or LOTR trilogy.
That isn't true.


Quote:
So what did Amazon buy? "We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit," Payne says. "And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books."
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/10-burning-questions-about-amazons-the-rings-of-power

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In reply to M.C. Swag • 9:22a, 10/5/22
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All valid points, though I am still personally enjoying the show.
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In reply to PatAg • 9:25a, 10/5/22
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Yeah I'm actually the opposite. I've been pleasantly surprised by how much I like this show.
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In reply to bobinator • 9:25a, 10/5/22
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bobinator said:
That class last 20 years?

I almost feel like we need a separate "I've seen and read the LOTR and Hobbit but that's basically it" thread, but there'd only be like three people on it.
I own the Silmarallion and read it once or twice in 20ish years. The stories are really cool, but to me its pretty obvious it isn't a finished product.

Which, for me, is why I don't really have any problem adjusting to the show not being able to use it as source material.
Some of the stories could make excellent seasons though.
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 9:25a, 10/5/22
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OnlyForNow said:
They didn't get ANYTHING from the Hobbit or LOTR trilogy.
Yeah they have the rights to the 4 main books and appendices.
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