Yes. Significantly better than The Hobbit. Most of the quibbling is about deep lore timelines (which are admittedly getting jacked with). If you don't know/care about deep lore timelines, it is extremely enjoyable.aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
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It's been worth the watch, so far, despite its many flaws. It's still Middle-earth, so there are certain scenes that will completely pull from the LotR mythology to get at your emotions. For me, the big LotR things that I loved seeing were:aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
- Initial description of the elves coming to middle earth to fight Morgoth
- First reveal of the orcs.
- First arriving in Numenor
- Getting to see Khazad Dum
The characters are 'meh', but like my last post said, I think Arondir and Elendil are by far the ones that actually feel right for who or what they are portraying. The Elves look like random people with pointy ears. The Numenoreans don't look or feel any different from everyone else. Seeing a random miss-match of races makes the whole world seem just random with no basis in geography, so it's easy to get confused on where the story is without them telling you.
aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
- Never read The Hobbit and know nothing about the Tolkien lore stuff either.
- Read the first 100 pages or so of The Fellowship of the Ring back in '99, but never finished it.
- Absolutely loved the first three movies, and love the extended editions even more.
- Walked out of The Hobbit 40 minutes in and never saw another frame of the rest of it, or the other two movies.
All that said, I'm super into the first three episodes of the series, think it's incredibly well done, and can't wait to see where it all goes. It walks a fine line of feeling enough like the original trilogy, yet despite being a prequel, also does something fresh and exciting. It's absolutely worth the watch.
Not LOTR movie level but has been solid and significantly better than the hobbit movies so far.
I thought what they've done with the Orcs is fantastic. That second episode with the single Orc was shot very much in a horror fashion and they did a good job showing how truly powerful an orc is and why they are feared.
It can get lost cause in the movies they were shown kind of as cannon fodder. It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode 'Dalek' where they truly showed how powerful a single dalek can be.
It can get lost cause in the movies they were shown kind of as cannon fodder. It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode 'Dalek' where they truly showed how powerful a single dalek can be.
DallasTeleAg said:
The Elves look like random people with pointy ears.
Probably because we get used to warriors of a high calibre facing off against the orcs, making them look weak in comparison, and less of them pillaging and plundering innocents incapable of dealing with them outside a few shots in Two Towers and Return.
Thanks sounds like it's worth the time investment!
Ya the orc lineage is much more fleshed out in the literature than the movies and it shows plainly.
This is taking them back to what, I believe Tolkien wanted them to be. Even in LOTR, the common orcs were more like book goblins and the hurika were like book orcs. Sure the movies have them distinct differences in all manners but the differences based on the texts were even more so apparent.
This is taking them back to what, I believe Tolkien wanted them to be. Even in LOTR, the common orcs were more like book goblins and the hurika were like book orcs. Sure the movies have them distinct differences in all manners but the differences based on the texts were even more so apparent.
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I thought what they've done with the Orcs is fantastic. That second episode with the single Orc was shot very much in a horror fashion and they did a good job showing how truly powerful an orc is and why they are feared.
It can get lost cause in the movies they were shown kind of as cannon fodder. It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode 'Dalek' where they truly showed how powerful a single dalek can be.
Orcs follow the Inverse Ninja Law.
Thank you for your post. Helps remind me why I stay on Texags after these types of football weekends.
agree, the orcs are much cooler than expected in this show. i liked the 'burning sun' business we really didnt see in the LOTR movies either.Legal Custodian said:
I thought what they've done with the Orcs is fantastic. That second episode with the single Orc was shot very much in a horror fashion and they did a good job showing how truly powerful an orc is and why they are feared.
It can get lost cause in the movies they were shown kind of as cannon fodder. It reminded me of the Doctor Who episode 'Dalek' where they truly showed how powerful a single dalek can be.
you should read the LOTR books imo. plow through the bombadil stuff, i never really liked that section much... but the books are so rich.TCTTS said:aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
- Never read The Hobbit and know nothing about the Tolkien lore stuff either.
- Read the first 100 pages or so of The Fellowship of the Ring back in '99, but never finished it.
- Absolutely loved the first three movies, and love the extended editions even more.
- Walked out of The Hobbit 40 minutes in and never saw another frame of the rest of it, or the other two movies.
All that said, I'm super into the first three episodes of the series, think it's incredibly well done, and can't wait to see where it all goes. It walks a fine line of feeling enough like the original trilogy, yet despite being a prequel, also does something fresh and exciting. It's absolutely worth the watch.
i wish someone would make a mashup of the best 2-3 hours out of the hobbit trilogy - if you take the best parts, alone and throw out the trash they could be worth watching. the hobbit was much more of a childrends book,
no doubt that is true, but at least give me tall and thin and elf-like with lots of blonde hair and not a mop. the movies got us that far.redline248 said:
The issue, imo, with casting someone like Galadriel is similar to casting someone to play Helen of Troy. It has to be pretty difficult to find some total smokeshow who also is a good actor. The actress is doing a pretty good job in the role she's been given, I think. There probably are not many people in the acting business that could live up to the expectations of how Tolkein describes Galadriel.
Even with a billion dollars amazon wasn't going to cast someone like Charlize Theron or Emma Stone
anyway, i'll quit hitting the dead horse, that was my last on the subject.
boo this mancbr said:you should read the LOTR books imo. plow through the bombadil stuff, i never really liked that section much... but the books are so rich.TCTTS said:aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
- Never read The Hobbit and know nothing about the Tolkien lore stuff either.
- Read the first 100 pages or so of The Fellowship of the Ring back in '99, but never finished it.
- Absolutely loved the first three movies, and love the extended editions even more.
- Walked out of The Hobbit 40 minutes in and never saw another frame of the rest of it, or the other two movies.
All that said, I'm super into the first three episodes of the series, think it's incredibly well done, and can't wait to see where it all goes. It walks a fine line of feeling enough like the original trilogy, yet despite being a prequel, also does something fresh and exciting. It's absolutely worth the watch.
i wish someone would make a mashup of the best 2-3 hours out of the hobbit trilogy - if you take the best parts, alone and throw out the trash they could be worth watching. the hobbit was much more of a childrends book,
lol, honestly, i was 6 when i first read it...maybe there is some wisdom there that i missed because i think several times i read it i skipped the chapters. it just seemed so out of character and different than the rest of the story, and frankly a little goofy.PatAg said:boo this mancbr said:you should read the LOTR books imo. plow through the bombadil stuff, i never really liked that section much... but the books are so rich.TCTTS said:aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
- Never read The Hobbit and know nothing about the Tolkien lore stuff either.
- Read the first 100 pages or so of The Fellowship of the Ring back in '99, but never finished it.
- Absolutely loved the first three movies, and love the extended editions even more.
- Walked out of The Hobbit 40 minutes in and never saw another frame of the rest of it, or the other two movies.
All that said, I'm super into the first three episodes of the series, think it's incredibly well done, and can't wait to see where it all goes. It walks a fine line of feeling enough like the original trilogy, yet despite being a prequel, also does something fresh and exciting. It's absolutely worth the watch.
i wish someone would make a mashup of the best 2-3 hours out of the hobbit trilogy - if you take the best parts, alone and throw out the trash they could be worth watching. the hobbit was much more of a childrends book,
Tom Bombadill just doesn't translate to a general audience on screen. Limitlessly powerful, can hold the ring like it's from a vending machine, but doesn't do **** to help out. The nuances of who he is and how he perceives the rest of Middle Earth would take many many scenes to basically not really move the story forward.
Agree, but love his chapters in the book
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!PatAg said:boo this mancbr said:you should read the LOTR books imo. plow through the bombadil stuff, i never really liked that section much... but the books are so rich.TCTTS said:aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
- Never read The Hobbit and know nothing about the Tolkien lore stuff either.
- Read the first 100 pages or so of The Fellowship of the Ring back in '99, but never finished it.
- Absolutely loved the first three movies, and love the extended editions even more.
- Walked out of The Hobbit 40 minutes in and never saw another frame of the rest of it, or the other two movies.
All that said, I'm super into the first three episodes of the series, think it's incredibly well done, and can't wait to see where it all goes. It walks a fine line of feeling enough like the original trilogy, yet despite being a prequel, also does something fresh and exciting. It's absolutely worth the watch.
i wish someone would make a mashup of the best 2-3 hours out of the hobbit trilogy - if you take the best parts, alone and throw out the trash they could be worth watching. the hobbit was much more of a childrends book,
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Yeah, movie watchers would be "wtf is this?"
Beat me to the punch!
Yeah, movie watchers would be "wtf is this?"
Beat me to the punch!
Not much worse than that Harfoot scene...redline248 said:
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Yeah, movie watchers would be "wtf is this?"
Beat me to the punch!
Ring a dong! hop along! Fal lal the willow!chase128 said:Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!PatAg said:boo this mancbr said:you should read the LOTR books imo. plow through the bombadil stuff, i never really liked that section much... but the books are so rich.TCTTS said:aggiebonzo said:
As someone who has read the books and was a big fan of LOTR and thought the hobbit trilogy was just okay is this worth a watch. I don't know much of anything about the Tolkien lore stuff but enjoy the middle earth setting and characters.
- Never read The Hobbit and know nothing about the Tolkien lore stuff either.
- Read the first 100 pages or so of The Fellowship of the Ring back in '99, but never finished it.
- Absolutely loved the first three movies, and love the extended editions even more.
- Walked out of The Hobbit 40 minutes in and never saw another frame of the rest of it, or the other two movies.
All that said, I'm super into the first three episodes of the series, think it's incredibly well done, and can't wait to see where it all goes. It walks a fine line of feeling enough like the original trilogy, yet despite being a prequel, also does something fresh and exciting. It's absolutely worth the watch.
i wish someone would make a mashup of the best 2-3 hours out of the hobbit trilogy - if you take the best parts, alone and throw out the trash they could be worth watching. the hobbit was much more of a childrends book,
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
So what you'll are basically saying is that Tolkien did psychedelics?
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The only thing I have to add right now is I wish a new episode of this show would drop every day.
redline248 said:
The only thing I have to add right now is I wish a new episode of this show would drop every day.
No, no, no. Shows are much better when we have to wait week by week for each episode to slowly roll out.
Or so says Texags.
FL_Ag1998 said:redline248 said:
The only thing I have to add right now is I wish a new episode of this show would drop every day.
No, no, no. Shows are much better when we have to wait week by week for each episode to slowly roll out.
Or so says Texags.
It may be worse for us but it makes the Entertainment board way more entertaining and lively. The discussions/threads for all in one releases are pretty lame by comparison. A small consolation.
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This stuff is what I didn't like about his chapters, but overall I thought his chapters were great.
The trio hangs with Tom for a few months, at least, and they don't even know what's been going on.
And then toms like oh that stuff, sure you can take those swords and all that other garbage I have no use for it.
The trio hangs with Tom for a few months, at least, and they don't even know what's been going on.
And then toms like oh that stuff, sure you can take those swords and all that other garbage I have no use for it.
javajaws said:
So what you'll are basically saying is that Tolkien did psychedelics?
Some people say that Tom Bombadil represented the English countryside. I like to think that he represented to Tolkien an innate, incorruptible source of goodness that evil, whether the Ring in Middle-earth or the Great War that Tolkien lived through, cannot corrupt. That source of goodness could ultimately be destroyed, I.e., if Tom was the last thing left after Sauron won or if the War came to the English countryside, but it wouldn't be corrupted.
He was really goofy, though.
If you have thoughts on that love to hear them. Cause i was pretty muchThe Porkchop Express said:
Tom Bombadill just doesn't translate to a general audience on screen. Limitlessly powerful, can hold the ring like it's from a vending machine, but doesn't do **** to help out. The nuances of who he is and how he perceives the rest of Middle Earth would take many many scenes to basically not really move the story forward.
'This corny ass tree hugger isnt gonna help the world against the dude turning the whole place into a barren wasteland!?'
I feel like that is a cynical take. 99 percent of the Shire, many of the elves and dwarves and men weren't concerned with helping, and even if they had been faced with Sauron on their fence lines would have just holed up and locked the doors. Tom did come save them from 2 dangerous situations and who knows...if Sauron had shown up in his neck of the woods maybe Tom b-tch slaps him back to Mordor with a wreath of lilies and honey.
Or sings a song that puts him to sleep forever
Or sings a song that puts him to sleep forever
Maximus_Meridius said:Honestly...there's no telling. And I love it.redline248 said:
How is Arondir going to escape? I feel like he is supposed to be a hero of this show, so there's little chance he's corrupted into a servant of Sauron, right? They won't give him the Ned Stark treatment, will they?
Arondir is a really good example (so far) of telling the story of a "new" character in this world. He just fits. Think about Legolas' and Thranduil's demeanors. Arondir is supposed to be of the Woodland Elves (that's Silvan, right?), so in theory he would probably have the same type of personality. Dude is just straight killing it in my opinion. As long as we don't get too carried away with the romance story, which they more than likely will, I think his story is going to be one of the better ones in the series.
But what about his skin color? Jk jk
I doubt they do it, but it would be interesting if they had Arondir get corrupted to be an evil lietuenant typeoption short side said:Maximus_Meridius said:Honestly...there's no telling. And I love it.redline248 said:
How is Arondir going to escape? I feel like he is supposed to be a hero of this show, so there's little chance he's corrupted into a servant of Sauron, right? They won't give him the Ned Stark treatment, will they?
Arondir is a really good example (so far) of telling the story of a "new" character in this world. He just fits. Think about Legolas' and Thranduil's demeanors. Arondir is supposed to be of the Woodland Elves (that's Silvan, right?), so in theory he would probably have the same type of personality. Dude is just straight killing it in my opinion. As long as we don't get too carried away with the romance story, which they more than likely will, I think his story is going to be one of the better ones in the series.
But what about his skin color? Jk jk
Now look the first time I read LOTR I was probably 10 years old which is getting to me a helluva long time ago, but those first impressions sure sit with us, don't they?cbr said:If you have thoughts on that love to hear them. Cause i was pretty muchThe Porkchop Express said:
Tom Bombadill just doesn't translate to a general audience on screen. Limitlessly powerful, can hold the ring like it's from a vending machine, but doesn't do **** to help out. The nuances of who he is and how he perceives the rest of Middle Earth would take many many scenes to basically not really move the story forward.
'This corny ass tree hugger isnt gonna help the world against the dude turning the whole place into a barren wasteland!?'
I always viewed him as a God-like creature, a world-creator if you will, but someone whose powers waned as others came into his paradise - the Elves, etc. A rough metaphor of the Garden of Eden getting corrupted as man sins and decides he wants to run the show. The other powers in the forest start craving more and while they are no match for Tom, his power weakens, almost out of sadness more than anything else.
In later re-reads, I think of two other literary references in conjunction with Tom. The first being Prof. Tolkien's friend CS Lewis and the chapter in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe where Aslan bests the witch with "Old magic from before the dawn of time". I'd like to think Tom has access to something similar. Almost like everyone else is in the Matrix thinking that's all there is, but Tom knows you can take off the goggles and unhook and there's a larger world hiding behind it. That's what I envision when he is so casual about the One RIng - it's super powerful in its world, but Tom knows a world beyond that.
I also think of a much more contemporary, although unfortunately demised, English writer - Douglas Adams, author of Hitchhiker's Guide. In the first book, Ford and Arthur meet Slartibarfast, who helped designed the Earth before the Vogons blew it up, and was proud of his work on the fjords, and hoped to revisit them.
I can envision Tom as the kind of being who designed Middle Earth either alone or as some sort of team effort of higher-beings and fell in love with the Old Forest and decided to call it his home, staying out of the way of the affairs of the world, no matter how dastardly they might get, only intervening when he thinks that it's not going to really change anything. LIke he could have moved on and kept creating worlds, but he thought this one was so beautiful that he'd stay.
Going way out in left field, it's a theme similar to my favorite episode of the X-Files that's set in the past where they realize the really incredible minor-league baseball player is an alien who visited earth, fell in love with the game, and stayed so he could keep playing it.
I am fully aware this rambling rant is as clear as mud.
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