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In reply to Hammerly High Dive Crips • 6:05p, 7/1/22
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SB 43rd STREET OG said:
TCTTS said:
What an episode. That sneak attack on the Russians in the rain was like something out of a Batman movie, and then Alia Shawkat's performance and especially Zoe's ultimatum at the end we're both incredible as well.

With only two episodes left, I'm starting to see why they need/got a second season. Feels like so much more story left to tell…


F…there's only two left? Somehow I did not know this and just assumed it would be a min 8-10. I am sure it mentions this right here in this thread and I somehow overlooked it.

Scratch that! I must have had old info or remembered it wrong, because I just looked again to double check and it's SEVEN total episodes. So three left. My bad.
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6:10p, 7/1/22
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They seemed to have had some bad luck filming the original set of episodes. COVID in early 2020 shut filming down and when it resumed they had to deal with Bridges' cancer.
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10:24p, 7/1/22
Btw props to the actor portraying young Lithgow. Really had his mannerisms and manner of speaking down. Not that young Bridges is doing a poor job acting, but other than the beard, that's kind of where the comparison ends. I thought young Lithgow really shined in contrast
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1:21p, 7/2/22
Just caught up.

bit different but still very much enjoying it. I don't understand Zoe's motivation for the screwing over (understanding she's essentially kidnapped) and Chase's reaction to it. I understand protecting his daughter but he doesn't seem like he GAS about the money. I thought his reaction to her ultimatum was out of character for the rest of him.

"The night doesn't feel like it wants to be bloodless" was a pretty good line. The flashbacks are almost more interesting than what happened in the episode to me.
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 3:50p, 7/2/22
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Fore Left! said:
Btw props to the actor portraying young Lithgow. Really had his mannerisms and manner of speaking down. Not that young Bridges is doing a poor job acting, but other than the beard, that's kind of where the comparison ends. I thought young Lithgow really shined in contrast
I think you have to consider the actors involved. I think John Lithgow in an excellent actor, but he hasn't had the iconic roles like Jeff Bridges which people quote and meme extensively. I think that gives the actor playing the younger Lithgow more room to portray Lithgow's speech and mannerisms without seeming like a caricature. The actor playing the younger Bridges has a much narrower lane to work in, else it will seem he is trying to do an impression of The Dude.
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In reply to torrid • 3:58p, 7/2/22
both have had incredible careers. Yeah, the Dude gets meme'd a ton, but Bridges has done all sorts of characters and the one Bridges is doing now definitely isn't the dude. I think it's partly simply cadence. Doesn't need to be a clone. Style just seems off between young and old.
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4:25p, 7/2/22
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Yeah, no the younger Lithgow actor's portrayal is uncanny and almost too perfect if that makes sense. It has nothing to do with familiarity with the two senior actors for me.

Christopher Redmond is his name, I went and looked him up.
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10:50p, 7/4/22
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I don't really understand why he has bothered with all of this Zoe stuff when it jeopardizes him and his daughter. He is trying to play the nice guy on the run and now she is ****ing him over a bit. I get her motivation obviously but he barely freaking knows her.
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In reply to Madmarttigan • 10:56p, 7/4/22
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It's the same inclination that got him into this mess all those years ago. He's an idealist with an addiction to playing the hero/helping people/doing The Right Thing, to sometimes (or often) negative effect. It's his character flaw, IMO, and an intentional one on the part of the writers, one I believe they're setting up to have him eventually overcome in some way.
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In reply to Madmarttigan • 10:59p, 7/4/22
Madmarttigan said:
I don't really understand why he has bothered with all of this Zoe stuff when it jeopardizes him and his daughter. He is trying to play the nice guy on the run and now she is ****ing him over a bit. I get her motivation obviously but he barely freaking knows her.


I would imagine a lonely isolated widower could fall pretty quick for a chick like her and they definitely both seemed to be pretty connected on an emotional level. Also, he was everything her ex husband was not so she was drawn to him pretty quickly. This was probably over the course of weeks I would imagine.
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8:58a, 7/5/22
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Ok all caught up after the long weekend.

Man this show is great. Great acting, good storylines, good production. Just overall it's a well done show.

I really like the choice of doing flashbacks rather than characters try and explain things. Adds a bit the show and makes it easier for me understand how we got to where we are.

Not sure I how I feel about the Zoe storyline. I kinda liked it more when he envisioned taking her out at the checkpoint. But it's not bad. Have to see where it goes from here.

Glad this got another season and I'll keep watching!
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9:36a, 7/5/22
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I feel the whole Zoe plotline is awkward and illogical. Seems like they forced a plot point so he would have a female companion. First he kidnaps her, and she passively goes along. Then she suddenly outsmarts him and files for divorce using his dead wife's false identity. Just not very believable. I mean yeah the whole concept of the show requires belief in some suspense of reality, but the Zoe story even more so.
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10:47a, 7/5/22
something i haven't seen covered and i'm trying to make sure i understand correctly after watching the last episode.

Lithgow is obviously close with Angela (Bridges' daughter.) He mentioned that she hadn't been by since the incident. Then she comes by to play with Lithgow's grandson.

during that conversation, she talks about her relationship with Lithgow's DiL (i think.) Were they throupling, or just the DiL was bisexual? i feel like i'm supposed to be smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, but couldn't figure out exactly what i was supposed to get from that.
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In reply to c-jags • 10:57a, 7/5/22
AG
c-jags said:
something i haven't seen covered and i'm trying to make sure i understand correctly after watching the last episode.

Lithgow is obviously close with Angela (Bridges' daughter.) He mentioned that she hadn't been by since the incident. Then she comes by to play with Lithgow's grandson.

during that conversation, she talks about her relationship with Lithgow's DiL (i think.) Were they throupling, or just the DiL was bisexual? i feel like i'm supposed to be smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, but couldn't figure out exactly what i was supposed to get from that.
I would have to re-watch, but I thought Angela had girlfriend/wife who was uncomfortable with Angela's closeness with Lithgow's family.
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10:36p, 7/7/22
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I am even more confused now than I was when this started. And I cannot believe they only planned 6 episodes and just now renewed it.
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Trucker 96
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11:15p, 7/7/22
Meet Zoe. Broken suburban divorcee who can't pay her bills by day. Raw intelligence talent who sees all the cracks and angles by night. This nonsense is singlehandedly dragging down an otherwise high quality show. They couldn't show her conversation with investment guy because there is no believable way to have done it.

The other storylines were great. But way too much Zoe not the hero we asked for but the hero we need in this one. i can't believe they included that gag-worthy ripoff line while she shows up in the window reflection
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11:19p, 7/7/22
Maybe Boris the Bullet Dodger will help things next week
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10:00a, 7/8/22
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I completely agree with all the negative comments on Zoe.

The whole episode was too talky for my tastes. A series of set pieces with unconvincing dialogue.

Zach the investment guy is completely unbelievable to me. If he is handling so much money, I would think he would be much more accommodating to Dan. A brief attempt to talk him out of what Dan wants to do, and then absolute acquiescence and immediate action.

And I am very tired of the Dark Lady in the Shadows intoning over the past and present like some Afghani version of a Greek chorus.

It's gone off the rails.
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In reply to OldArmy71 • 1:17p, 7/8/22
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I agree with all this. I binged those first three episodes and loved them and have felt an extremely sharp decline with this show in the last two episodes which is highly unfortunate.

We'll always have that pilot, though.
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In reply to OldArmy71 • 1:22p, 7/8/22
I keep hoping Logan Roy will show up during one of these Marcia Roy in the shadows scenes
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7:35p, 7/8/22
During the scene where Dan walked off to the get the account codes, one of the dogs stayed with Zoe and one chased after Dan. Thought that was a nice touch to a scene where she is getting half of everything.
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7:40p, 7/8/22
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I don't mind Zoe's storyline. I think it all makes as much sense as the other branches of the story.
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 10:23p, 7/8/22
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Fore Left! said:
Ty Maybe Boris the Bullet Dodger will help things next week
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1:45a, 7/9/22
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In agreement with basically everything said above. Boring episode that was WAY too on the nose with its dialogue. Both female characters might as well have looked directly into the camera and announced, "I am now going to soliloquy at length about the show's themes and what the character next to me must learn."

That said, I *do* like what has been set up for the final two episodes; two episodes that will decide if this is a legit great show with an unfortunate sag in the middle, or a show that started out great and took a sharp nosedive into something forgettable.
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7:11a, 7/9/22
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I liked the episode. Zoe might not be completely believable, but it works within the context of what the show is if that makes sense. I didn't really expect this to be an action-driven show, so maybe that's why the slow-burn, dialogue-driven episodes don't bother me much.

I do appreciate that they gave an additional reason for the flight from Afghanistan besides just an affair/pregnancy. Really solidified the character of the deceased wife as being the genius tactician instead of just a love interest in a triangle (which gets done way too much).

I thought the conversation in the plane between Lithgow and Shawcat was really well-acted and written. The reveal that the retired CIA guy had been pulling some of the strings this whole time is interesting … not sure why he'd really care enough about his mistakes being revealed at this stage in life that he'd be willing to kill two of his "sons."
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In reply to Gig-Em2003 • 7:13a, 7/9/22
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Gig-Em2003 said:

aTmAg said:
I hope it's not his daughter. It doesn't make a lot of sense. He wouldn't call her and tell her "they found me." and then leave it at that. He would call her and ask her "can you figure out what they know about me?" or something. She would be his major inside source.


I see your point, just wondering if somehow Chase doesn't even know or remember what his daughter does? There is a memory/loss of memory angle to all of this.

There really isn't. The writers made us think there might be in the beginning by way of showing his wife's cognitive issues, conversations with his daughter, and him putting the cell phone in the microwave. But now those things all make sense, and his doctor told him straight out that he has no cognitive decline.
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7:19a, 7/9/22
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I will also say that having a relative die from some sort of degenerative cognitive condition absolutely can make you paranoid about your own mental health.
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In reply to jeffk • 8:16a, 7/9/22
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jeffk said:
The reveal that the retired CIA guy had been pulling some of the strings this whole time is interesting … not sure why he'd really care enough about his mistakes being revealed at this stage in life that he'd be willing to kill two of his "sons."
I just now realized the Machiavellian old CIA man, the really old man, is played by Joel Grey.
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In reply to torrid • 9:23a, 7/9/22
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Life is a cabaret, my friend.
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In reply to Trucker 96 • 9:52a, 7/9/22
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Fore Left! said:
Meet Zoe. Broken suburban divorcee who can't pay her bills by day. Raw intelligence talent who sees all the cracks and angles by night. This nonsense is singlehandedly dragging down an otherwise high quality show. They couldn't show her conversation with investment guy because there is no believable way to have done it.

The other storylines were great. But way too much Zoe not the hero we asked for but the hero we need in this one. i can't believe they included that gag-worthy ripoff line while she shows up in the window reflection
Yeah her hidden skill that he recognized was absurd. Might as well have been taken from the Tommy Boy script where he suddenly is a master salesman...you know, chicken wings:

Zoe: Hey Zachary, I really think we should invest in this Pavlovich venture. I know it's risky but
Zachary: I only like guaranteed investments. Sorry, you just ran out of time, good night.
Zoe: Let's think about this for a sec, Zach, why do they put a guarantee on the investment. Hmm, very interesting.
Zachary: I'm listening.
Zoe: Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on an investment cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.
Zachary: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Zoe: 'Course it does. Ya think if you leave that investment under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter.

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12:25p, 7/9/22
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That last episode was horrible. I'm going to finish this season because I love Bridges but man that was rough.

- How tf did Lithgow go straight to the right file in that huge room? How did he even know what they wanted him to find?
- Zoe is an absurd plot point and frankly has been since the date night rendezvous. Keep thinking she'll be redeemed and there are so many ways they could have started to do that this week but instead we get the black box negotiation
- The whole flight dialogue was just a painful way to get to a completely logical payoff of the new alliance against Hamzad
- Old CIA guy flipping on Lithgow and Bridges after all these yours felt like a wasted subplot development that also didn't track in my opinion. After all these years he wants to clean up loose ends when apparently Hamzad was knowledgeable and powerful enough to torpedo things this whole time?

It's unfortunate because most of these characters are really well written and the first half of the season was incredible
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In reply to Pasquale Liucci • 11:04p, 7/9/22
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Can't disagree with any of that, losing interest at this point but maybe my expectations were set too high for an ass kicking old man.
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In reply to torrid • 11:43a, 7/12/22
torrid said:
jeffk said:
The reveal that the retired CIA guy had been pulling some of the strings this whole time is interesting … not sure why he'd really care enough about his mistakes being revealed at this stage in life that he'd be willing to kill two of his "sons."
I just now realized the Machiavellian old CIA man, the really old man, is played by Joel Grey.
It's strange that he doesn't talk about his third son, Remo Williams.





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1:58p, 7/12/22
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I agree it's gone a bit down hill and there are some head scratching elements but I enjoy Bridges and Lithgow so much I guess I can over look it. I started watching it without my wife and almost stopped to watch it all with her, but I'm glad I didn't. That's probably the biggest tell that it's not great that I didn't have her watch with me.

It is based on a Thomas Perry novel. I like his books and must have missed that one. Will be curious now to go back and read it and see if it makes more sense.
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In reply to aggieactor01 • 3:20p, 7/12/22
aggieactor01 said:
I agree it's gone a bit down hill and there are some head scratching elements but I enjoy Bridges and Lithgow so much I guess I can over look it. I started watching it without my wife and almost stopped to watch it all with her, but I'm glad I didn't. That's probably the biggest tell that it's not great that I didn't have her watch with me.
Same boat. Still has a chance to finish strong, but it's a definite departue from what I was thinking and hoping it would be...esp this last episode. Still enjoying it though, just a little disappointed.
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