Into the top 85 for The Batman now on the domestic box office list at $308 million. Will likely surpass Dawn of Justice this weekend, although still well behind TDKR and TDK.

No-Way Home is $1.7 million short of hitting $800 million domestic, just the third movie ever to reach that lofty mark.

So was this movie a success money wise? Doesn't seem to be pulling in the big numbers.

Quad Dog said:

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So was this movie a success money wise? Doesn't seem to be pulling in the big numbers.

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Yes since it probably would have done over a billion had China not been shut down by COVID. Given that it's also the first in a standalone instalment, it's not bad.

You beat me to it, re: the sequel, but yeah, that's the main takeaway. It did well enough to pave the way for a multi-platform franchise and potentially massive theatrical follow-up.

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This is such a great scene in and of itself, and I have to eat a little crow, because Keoghan's Joker looks WAY better/scarier/more disturbing here than in the glimpse at the end. I actually really like this depiction, and the way he was out of focus and then revealed at the end, etc.

The reason Reeves said he cut the scene is because he felt that the Joker basically gives away the rest of the movie here, but I don't quite know if I agree with Reeves in that regard. Sure, the Joker says Batman is the Riddler's "main course" (ends up being true) and that deep down Batman thinks all the corrupt officials deserve their deaths (he's still in "vengeance" mode, so that makes sense, but isn't really "plot" that's given away). Though, I mean, it's obvious from the jump that Batman is the key, seeing as all the Riddler's letters are addressed to Batman. That, and the Riddler *literally* tells Batman relatively early in the game that "you're a part of this too." So, in what other ways does this scene reveal anything about the rest of the Riddler's plan that we weren't already aware of/thinking? Am I missing something here? Am I interpreting the Joker's dialogue correctly?

Either way, personally, I think it's a really insightful scene on the Joker's part and reveals an interesting angle on Batman's own fears/psyche. Yeah, it might have felt a *little* repetitive when we eventually got to the Riddler interrogation scene at the same location, but that scene has a totally different energy/point, IMO, and almost feels like the next evolution of this scene, in a cool way.

It's a long shot, but I honestly hope fans are vocal enough about their love of this scene that Reeves considers reinserting for the Blu-ray/digital release. Because, personally, I think the movie would feel even more complete with it back in.

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When he says gives away the movie, I don't think he means the plot, per se, but rather the theme/realization that Batman and Riddler are almost two sides of the same coin. It's really only Batman's code not to kill that separates him at this point of the story.

I think having this scene in too early would make you start thinking about it in every scene and then the confrontation with the Riddler where he is upset that they're not buddies as well as the "I'm Vengeance" moment loses a lot of its kick.

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That's a good point/good way to look at it, and makes total sense.

Do the people that make money decisions care about all of those factors? Or just the bottom line?

You guys have compared it to Man of Steel. But that movie is considered to have underperformed and didn't get a direct sequel because of that. Also, MoS came out 9 years ago, comparing them with inflation makes The Batman look even worse.

I will not stand for the disrespect of Man of Steel.

As a related aside, "Something in the Way" is now one of Nirvanas top 5 streamed tracks. Never seen it in the top before now.

The song fit great into the movie, but I gotta say when it played near the beginning it did make me laugh. You could tell they were setting up for a song there, and I had the thought "I wonder what grunge song is about to play".

Man of Steel was also not received nearly as well as The Batman. It not getting a direct sequel was a combination of Zack Snyder's 5 film plan of MoS, BvS, and JL 1,2,3 for a Superman arc and WB seeing The Avengers having a ton of success. Batman v Superman IS the direct sequel of Man of Steel in Zack Snyder's mind and plan.

I will say Man of Steel gets better each time I watch it. BvS gets worse, and I actually love ZSJL (in my mind I take out about 45 minutes of slo mo, the Joker and Martian Manhunter scenes, and the weird Icelandic women singing).

On RT, The Batman has 85% overall positive critic reviews and 88% audience reviews (with some of those upset it wasn't kid friendly or have funny moments). Man of Steel has 56% overall positive critic reviews and 75% audience reviews.

Additionally, Batman Begins barely made over $400 million worldwide, and their faith in a trilogy was more than rewarded with back to back billion dollar movies.

Box office grosses to do not exist in a vacuum. A movie's success depends not just on box office but on budget, release date, competition, and myriad other factors.

Halloween (1978) is considered one of the biggest success stories not because of how much it grossed or how much it opened to, neither of which is all that impressive on their own. But when factoring in the tiny $300k budget, $70M is an insane success.

watched again tonight.
great movie.
still 30 minutes too long.

Passed Suicide Squad and Dawn of Justice domestically this weekend, will knock off Joker & Aquaman in the next couple of days. Then it's the longer climb to $400 m and Wonder Woman and TDKR.

The Dark Knight $534.9m
The Dark Knight Rises $448.1m
Wonder Woman $412.8m
Joker $335.4m
Aquaman $335.1m
The Batman $331.9m
Dawn of Justice: $330.4m
Suicide Squad $325.1m
Man of Steel $291.0m
Batman $251.4m

It cost $200 million to make and will be nearing $700 million worldwide. I'd say it's a success.

Good. I want a sequel, but I want them to lean even heavier on the noir narration, like we had in the first 10 minutes. They should have kept doing that for the entire movie, letting us actually know what he was thinking.

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It cost $200 million to make and will be nearing $700 million worldwide. I'd say it's a success.

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they probably could have saved $50 million and 30 minutes of everybody's life and cut that damn water scene down....

You're in luck. This isn't the DCEU.

TyHolden said:

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Living Legend said:

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It cost $200 million to make and will be nearing $700 million worldwide. I'd say it's a success.

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they probably could have saved $50 million and 30 minutes of everybody's life and cut that damn water scene down....

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Water scene was perfect for me

Really enjoyed it. Nice looking movie and the acting between Pattinson, Kravitz, Dano, and Turturro was very good.

My only real beef is you could have done 2 movies out of this one… the corruption story and Riddler story were just too loosely intertwined for me to understand the value of telling them both in a single film. Both plots were very good though.