I think this is the main problem. It took half the season for them to get out of Texas and then before you know it, they're in Wyoming. I get that it would be fairly boring to show them going through the plains without much going on, but I think they should've done a little better at conveying how much time had passed.Furlock Bones said:my wife and i both commented wow that was quick when she fell in love with Sam. i think they did a poor job giving us a timeline. maybe it got cut in editing. we'll never know.amg405 said:EclipseAg said:
Loved the show. I had high expectations given the subject matter and I would say those were met and exceeded.
My only nitpick -- and it's a small one -- is that the timing of Elsa's love affairs with Ennis and Sam seemed unrealistic and turned the middle section of the show into more of a romance than an honest look at the journey. In fact, Elsa's whole romance with Sam seemed forced; a too-easy plot device to showcase the native way of life more and keep them from always being bad guys.
I realize she was the central figure in the show, but the focus on her love life turned attention away from the struggles of the wagon train and the immigrants -- which had made the first few episodes so powerful.
Agree completely. I thought that they actually did a good job with the first boyfriend… only to turn around and have her feel the same way about another dude shortly thereafter. I think it's a legit gripe. I also thought the show was pretty good overall despite some iffy stuff.
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Despite my nit-picking, I still thought it was a fantastic show. I'm gonna wait a week or so and then watch it all again.
Taylor Sheridan is a brilliant story teller but he seems to lack consistency. Like with Yellowstone, there are unnecessary fumbles throughout "1883." Probably the result of being overextended.
The timeframe for writing, producing and shooting "1883" was extremely ambitious due to Paramount's pressure. We might have had a real masterpiece had they taken a little more time.
Taylor Sheridan is a brilliant story teller but he seems to lack consistency. Like with Yellowstone, there are unnecessary fumbles throughout "1883." Probably the result of being overextended.
The timeframe for writing, producing and shooting "1883" was extremely ambitious due to Paramount's pressure. We might have had a real masterpiece had they taken a little more time.
I watched this over the weekend. Worth a watch even if just to compare movie-making then with today's expensive, super-detailed television productions.Buck Turgidson said:
I just watched a 1967 film called "The Way West" and it was about a wagon train to Oregon. Sally Field made her film debut (she was an extra in an earlier film but this was a talking role) as a slightly ****ty teenage girl who causes a bit of trouble and distraction to the main story line. The wagon train boss even had a black sidekick of sorts. I guess there's nothing truly new in movie making.
EclipseAg said:I watched this over the weekend. Worth a watch even if just to compare movie-making then with today's expensive, super-detailed television productions.Buck Turgidson said:
I just watched a 1967 film called "The Way West" and it was about a wagon train to Oregon. Sally Field made her film debut (she was an extra in an earlier film but this was a talking role) as a slightly ****ty teenage girl who causes a bit of trouble and distraction to the main story line. The wagon train boss even had a black sidekick of sorts. I guess there's nothing truly new in movie making.
It's a little "cheezy" at times....but overall does a good job of capturing some of the dangers of the Oregon Trail! At least their experts were more authentic when it came to using oxen or mules......horses were the last resort as they wore out too fast and needed extra grain. Sheridan must have just needed to show off some horse flesh!
I am going to nip-pick a little and say I wouldn't have been upset had there been some nudity and a more reliable schedule. Overall a very enjoyable program and much better than most recent dramas.
Teddy Perkins said:Sounds like 1883 is done and there won't be a season 2.Quote:
Any 1883 viewers who are eagerly awaiting another 10 episodes in the life of the post-Civil War-era Duttons will be waiting a long time, the series creator says in a new interview.
"I created this peek through time to show you this one specific journey," Taylor Sheridan tells our sister site Deadline. "I'm not someone who likes to tie everything up in a bow and explain how everyone lived happily ever after, or didn't."
He adds: "On to the next peek through the window," a reference to the Yellowstone franchise's recently announced 1932 prequel spinoff, which will move ahead several decades and follow the Dutton family during the Great Depression.
1883, "for me, as a storyteller it feels close-ended," the EP also said. "I'm going to peek through the window of a different era and see what I see then."
Well that completely contradicts the news from two weeks ago.
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/1883-season-2-renewed-1932-yellowstone-prequel-1235182761/amp/
Somebody is either making **** up or just flat out wrong.
Honestly I don't need any more 1883. Got what I wanted. There's also very little chance they could convince Mcgraw and Hill to stay on for another season given their careers and lack of acting ability. They got more out of them in this season than I ever would have expected.
I thought Tim McGraw stole every scene he was in. I would agree that Faith lacks singer some acting chops, but McGraw more than held his own.
Edit: weirdly appropriate auto correct
Edit: weirdly appropriate auto correct
I thought she did well enough for this. Not top 3 in the ensemble, but solid.
I mean, we always talk about how big Texas isBowSowy said:I think this is the main problem. It took half the season for them to get out of Texas and then before you know it, they're in Wyoming. I get that it would be fairly boring to show them going through the plains without much going on, but I think they should've done a little better at conveying how much time had passed.Furlock Bones said:my wife and i both commented wow that was quick when she fell in love with Sam. i think they did a poor job giving us a timeline. maybe it got cut in editing. we'll never know.amg405 said:EclipseAg said:
Loved the show. I had high expectations given the subject matter and I would say those were met and exceeded.
My only nitpick -- and it's a small one -- is that the timing of Elsa's love affairs with Ennis and Sam seemed unrealistic and turned the middle section of the show into more of a romance than an honest look at the journey. In fact, Elsa's whole romance with Sam seemed forced; a too-easy plot device to showcase the native way of life more and keep them from always being bad guys.
I realize she was the central figure in the show, but the focus on her love life turned attention away from the struggles of the wagon train and the immigrants -- which had made the first few episodes so powerful.
Agree completely. I thought that they actually did a good job with the first boyfriend… only to turn around and have her feel the same way about another dude shortly thereafter. I think it's a legit gripe. I also thought the show was pretty good overall despite some iffy stuff.
Here's the map Sheridan used to write the scripts.Pahdz said:I mean, we always talk about how big Texas isBowSowy said:I think this is the main problem. It took half the season for them to get out of Texas and then before you know it, they're in Wyoming. I get that it would be fairly boring to show them going through the plains without much going on, but I think they should've done a little better at conveying how much time had passed.Furlock Bones said:my wife and i both commented wow that was quick when she fell in love with Sam. i think they did a poor job giving us a timeline. maybe it got cut in editing. we'll never know.amg405 said:EclipseAg said:
Loved the show. I had high expectations given the subject matter and I would say those were met and exceeded.
My only nitpick -- and it's a small one -- is that the timing of Elsa's love affairs with Ennis and Sam seemed unrealistic and turned the middle section of the show into more of a romance than an honest look at the journey. In fact, Elsa's whole romance with Sam seemed forced; a too-easy plot device to showcase the native way of life more and keep them from always being bad guys.
I realize she was the central figure in the show, but the focus on her love life turned attention away from the struggles of the wagon train and the immigrants -- which had made the first few episodes so powerful.
Agree completely. I thought that they actually did a good job with the first boyfriend… only to turn around and have her feel the same way about another dude shortly thereafter. I think it's a legit gripe. I also thought the show was pretty good overall despite some iffy stuff.
I know it's a TV show but I really struggled figuring out the geography the last few episodes.
Working backwards, the Yellowstone ranch is presumably south of Billings, North of the park correct? And the group of Crow that they met was presumably in Northern Wyoming or southern Montana, East of the yellowstone?
Working backwards, the Yellowstone ranch is presumably south of Billings, North of the park correct? And the group of Crow that they met was presumably in Northern Wyoming or southern Montana, East of the yellowstone?
Then the crappy Fort that they went to was maybe somewhere in Central Wyoming? And they referred them to Fort Laramie in Eastern Wyoming?
I'm hoping there isn't another season of 1883 as I thought it was done just right with Elsa's death under the tree. Yeah you can have complaints if you want; however, I feel it was really we'll done. On to 1932!
Maybe the extra 1883 content meant they plan to have more flashbacks in Yellowstone and/or 1932. I think this would be best, as there is too much risk in ruining the 1 season story they just told by having full extra season(s). It just won't be the same without Elsa and Shea.
Sheridan's already confirmed 1883's only a one-season show.Canyon99 said:
I'm hoping there isn't another season of 1883 as I thought it was done just right with Elsa's death under the tree. Yeah you can have complaints if you want; however, I feel it was really we'll done. On to 1932!
The Yellowsone Ranch is near Bozeman. The fort they stopped at after Elsa was shot was Ft Caspar. The place where they found all of the dead Indians was about a 6-hour wagon ride from Ft Caspar.
James Dutton left Ft Caspar with a very sick/injured Elsa and supposedly made it to near Bozeman in about 2 days.
I like this show a lot. However, I do wish that TS look a little more closely at a map and travel distance.
James Dutton left Ft Caspar with a very sick/injured Elsa and supposedly made it to near Bozeman in about 2 days.
I like this show a lot. However, I do wish that TS look a little more closely at a map and travel distance.
Based on rough math and the pythagorean theorem, you shave off over 100 miles if you go as the crow flies.
Still unlikely to make in 2 days with wagons.
Still unlikely to make in 2 days with wagons.
They were at least a but north of ft Caspar before they ran into the Crow weren't they?
ChipFTAC01 said:
They were at least a but north of ft Caspar before they ran into the Crow weren't they?
Yes so maybe they were 100 miles past it. And Paradise Valley runs almost 100 miles east of Bozeman.
Shaving 100 miles off both sides you could get it down to 200ish miles.
But still a horse at best could do 50 miles in a day unless they were trained specifically for endurance rides.
Yes, you are correct. My bad. The older Indian told him he was a 2-day horse ride from Paradise Valley.ChipFTAC01 said:
They were at least a but north of ft Caspar before they ran into the Crow weren't they?
This is the best reason to end 1883 where it is. I can't imagine it being better without the Elsa and Shea characters. Thomas is off on a new life in Oregon with Noemi and her boys, but that would be a shallow story.GreasenUSA said:
Maybe the extra 1883 content meant they plan to have more flashbacks in Yellowstone and/or 1932. I think this would be best, as there is too much risk in ruining the 1 season story they just told by having full extra season(s). It just won't be the same without Elsa and Shea.
pilgrim82 said:This is the best reason to end 1883 where it is. I can't imagine it being better without the Elsa and Shea characters. Thomas is off on a new life in Oregon with Noemi and her boys, but that would be a shallow story.GreasenUSA said:
Maybe the extra 1883 content meant they plan to have more flashbacks in Yellowstone and/or 1932. I think this would be best, as there is too much risk in ruining the 1 season story they just told by having full extra season(s). It just won't be the same without Elsa and Shea.
That would be a shallow story....but then again so is Jimmy on the 6666 Ranch!!
pilgrim82 said:This is the best reason to end 1883 where it is. I can't imagine it being better without the Elsa and Shea characters. Thomas is off on a new life in Oregon with Noemi and her boys, but that would be a shallow story.GreasenUSA said:
Maybe the extra 1883 content meant they plan to have more flashbacks in Yellowstone and/or 1932. I think this would be best, as there is too much risk in ruining the 1 season story they just told by having full extra season(s). It just won't be the same without Elsa and Shea.
If it means seeing Noemi nekkid, I'm okay with a shallow story.
We had plenty of opportunities for that with Elsa, Noemi, Risa, Melodi, and some Comanche, Crow, and Lakota wimmens, but that was a line Sheridan wouldn't cross...don't know if he's ready to cross it now.SWC Ag said:pilgrim82 said:This is the best reason to end 1883 where it is. I can't imagine it being better without the Elsa and Shea characters. Thomas is off on a new life in Oregon with Noemi and her boys, but that would be a shallow story.GreasenUSA said:
Maybe the extra 1883 content meant they plan to have more flashbacks in Yellowstone and/or 1932. I think this would be best, as there is too much risk in ruining the 1 season story they just told by having full extra season(s). It just won't be the same without Elsa and Shea.
If it means seeing Noemi nekkid, I'm okay with a shallow story.
We saw Noemi naked…
Ogre09 said:
We saw Noemi naked…
You're the kind of guy that turns down blow jobs, aren't you?
Tim McGraw by the end of the series.
I'm 99% sure the dude who plays Wade was renting skis at the same shop I was in last week. Also noticed one of the kids in his group (maybe his son?) had a nice new 6666 cap on.
Cool story, I know
Cool story, I know
Is Wade the original of the two Cowboys who lived?
ChipFTAC01 said:
Is Wade the original of the two Cowboys who lived?
Yeah
It was mentioned why the Germans were going to Oregon...civil rights and property rights conditions were horrible in Germany and the rest of Europe at that time. Why might the Duttons have been looking for a new start? At one point James says "...Tennessee ain't Tennessee any more..." Reconstruction is generally thought to have been over by 1876. Were conditions from the war still so bad in 1883 that it sparked a migration from the old Confederate states to the new territories? Going West was certainly perilous, and had been going on long enough that most who were going knew of the dangers. Anyone with insight on this subject?
pilgrim82 said:
It was mentioned why the Germans were going to Oregon...civil rights and property rights conditions were horrible in Germany and the rest of Europe at that time. Why might the Duttons have been looking for a new start? At one point James says "...Tennessee ain't Tennessee any more..." Reconstruction is generally thought to have been over by 1876. Were conditions from the war still so bad in 1883 that it sparked a migration from the old Confederate states to the new territories? Going West was certainly perilous, and had been going on long enough that most who were going knew of the dangers. Anyone with insight on this subject?
This is a great question… I was wondering the same. Easy to see the Germans' motivation but was not sure about Tennessee.
Might just be the availability of land to stake a claim to. If you're living in post reconstruction Tennessee and don't own a big chunk of land to farm/ranch, the prospect of being able to lay claim to a large piece of land in a fertile western state for basically the cost of getting there would probably be fairly appealing. Probably mostly middle class (for the time) folks that don't have much going for them in Tennessee but have the resources to travel to try to find a better life for themselves.
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