***1883 Season 1***

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Bighunter43
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11:09a, 2/7/22
AG
Oh I have no doubt the kids are going to hear that kind of language.....however, my beef was that Sheridan didn't have to let the kid actually SAY it....I know the effect he was aiming for, but that's a little much to ask of a 6 year old. (It just shows how far we've digressed as a society when letting a child use that kind of language for effect is so acceptable). The scene was good without having him say it.

I will say Sheridan was spot on when it comes to the cook.....that cook was used to being on cattle drives, and around the wagon, NO ONE, including the Trail Boss came up to the cook's wagon until he told you to...so Sheridan did nail that!

As for as Goodnight....yes I'm very familiar with the Goodnight-Loving Trail, but it doesn't go through Oklahoma, and I'd doubt he'd be out there all alone coming to rescue...but he is an actual character of the time period, so that fits.
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3:05p, 2/7/22
finally bit the bullet and bought Paramount yesterday.

I had seen first two episodes at my parent's place in Dallas.

this is my favorite series,

anyone else get the feeling that if an American millenial band of 20 and 30 year olds tried to make it from Fort Worth to Oregon, they would get about 3 miles out and all be dead or quit?
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In reply to combat wombat™ • 3:06p, 2/7/22
combat wombat said:
Elsa has to die... the arrow wound in the opening scene is simply not survivable. Being a daughter, she's not John Dutton's grandmother... she would have been his great great aunt.

I like her character and I hope I'm wrong.

And those stupid Germans are less than 24 hours into the trip and they're already sick because the can't follow instructions.

Not sure that they are all Germans- sounds like some Dutch in there.
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In reply to LMCane • 3:22p, 2/7/22
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LMCane said:
finally bit the bullet and bought Paramount yesterday.

I had seen first two episodes at my parent's place in Dallas.

this is my favorite series,

anyone else get the feeling that if an American millenial band of 20 and 30 year olds tried to make it from Fort Worth to Oregon, they would get about 3 miles out and all be dead or quit?



Only most of us would.
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In reply to LMCane • 5:26p, 2/7/22
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LMCane said:
finally bit the bullet and bought Paramount yesterday.

I had seen first two episodes at my parent's place in Dallas.

this is my favorite series,

anyone else get the feeling that if an American millenial band of 20 and 30 year olds tried to make it from Fort Worth to Oregon, they would get about 3 miles out and all be dead or quit?
Yeah millennials and Gen z aren't tough like the prior generations of Gen X and boomers. [/sarcasm]

It's a tv show…traveling across country by wagon/horse sucked. It's why by this time lots of people traveled by rail.
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Ziggy Sobotka
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8:02p, 2/7/22
AG
Sheridan gave a couple of nods to Dances with Wolves in this episode.
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In reply to Ziggy Sobotka • 9:11p, 2/7/22
AG
I missed them.
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9:16p, 2/7/22
AG
Riding the horse with arms outstretched. Maybe a reference to costner's character riding like that between the north/south forces at the beginning of the movie
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9:24p, 2/7/22
So, weren't Comanches ruthless and evil, not friendly and helpful?
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In reply to water turkey • 9:32p, 2/7/22
AG
They're forcibly confined to reservations at this point and starting to find ways to make money (such as charge tolls to move through the area)
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9:43p, 2/7/22
AG
i'll say that the whole "coming of age" story of a teenage girl story thing is getting a little tiresome. they need to get going with the rest of the story.

but in this episode it kind of had its place because it gave Sam a reason to come back and defend them, so i'll kind of forgive them.

at this point though Elsa needs to stop falling in love with everyone she comes across* and they need to get on with the journey


*unless she wants to fall in love with me. then i'm totally cool with it and will stfu
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10:01p, 2/7/22
AG
Those must've been the nicest Comanches that ever lived. The storm rolling in was pretty badass
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In reply to TresPuertas • 10:30p, 2/7/22
AG
My husband just watched it and complained to me the exact same thing you posted.
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7:43a, 2/8/22
AG
She's a pretty hot number. It happens. Not exactly unrealistic.

Really good show, honestly shaping up to be the best western since dances w wolves and lonesome dove.

Ps; my take on it is she 'came of age' last episode and everyone is realizing it now. She's a fire breathing grownup now, pretty much.
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Ziggy Sobotka
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In reply to combat wombat™ • 7:50a, 2/8/22
AG
I thought I caught 2..... one was when she was riding with no hands. I also caught a Wind in hi Hair vibe when Sam rode to the top of the ridge and was shouting back at Elsa about friendship.
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8:46a, 2/8/22
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They're forcibly confined to reservations at this point and starting to find ways to make money (such as charge tolls to move through the area)
Comanche never had a reservation. They lived in small bands, not a tribe.

That is part of what made them so dangerous.
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In reply to water turkey • 8:51a, 2/8/22
AG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche#Comanche_wars

While the Comanche managed to maintain their independence and increase their territory, by the mid-19th century, they faced annihilation because of a wave of epidemics due to Eurasian diseases to which they had no immunity, such as smallpox and measles. Outbreaks of smallpox (1817, 1848) and cholera (1849)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche#cite_note-31][31][/url] took a major toll on the Comanche, whose population dropped from an estimated 20,000 in mid-century to just a few thousand by the 1870s.
The US began efforts in the late 1860s to move the Comanche into reservations, with the Treaty of Medicine Lodge (1867), which offered churches, schools, and annuities in return for a vast tract of land totaling over 60,000 square miles (160,000 km2). The government promised to stop the buffalo hunters, who were decimating the great herds of the Plains, provided that the Comanche, along with the Apaches, Kiowas, Cheyenne, and Arapahos, move to a reservation totaling less than 5,000 square miles (13,000 km2) of land. However, the government did not prevent the slaughtering of the herds. The Comanche under Quenatosavit White Eagle (later called Isa-tai "Coyote's Vagina") retaliated by attacking a group of hunters in the Texas Panhandle in the Second Battle of Adobe Walls (1874). The attack was a disaster for the Comanche, and the US army was called in during the Red River War to drive the remaining Comanche in the area into the reservation, culminating in the Battle of Palo Duro Canyon. Within just 10 years, the buffalo were on the verge of extinction, effectively ending the Comanche way of life as hunters. In May 1875, the last free band of Comanches, led by the Quahada warrior Quanah Parker, surrendered and moved to the Fort Sill reservation in Oklahoma. The last independent Kiowa and Kiowa Apache had also surrendered.
The 1890 Census showed 1,598 Comanche at the Fort Sill reservation, which they shared with 1,140 Kiowa and 326 Kiowa Apache.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche#cite_note-32][32][/url]



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8:53a, 2/8/22
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In reply to Ogre09 • 9:16a, 2/8/22
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Ogre09 said:
The Comanche under Quenatosavit White Eagle (later called Isa-tai "Coyote's Vagina") retaliated by attacking a group of hunters in the Texas Panhandle in the Second Battle of Adobe Walls (1874).
That's quite the demotion.
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In reply to Teddy Perkins • 11:33a, 2/8/22
AG
Teddy Perkins said:
Ogre09 said:
The Comanche under Quenatosavit White Eagle (later called Isa-tai "Coyote's Vagina") retaliated by attacking a group of hunters in the Texas Panhandle in the Second Battle of Adobe Walls (1874).
That's quite the demotion.

I saw Coyote's Vagina open for Styx at the Summit in 1980.
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12:19p, 2/8/22
AG
Might be a good time to plug the book "Empire of the Summer Moon" about the rise and fall of the Comanche
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In reply to JCRiley09 • 12:57p, 2/8/22
AG
JCRiley09 said:
Might be a good time to plug the book "Empire of the Summer Moon" about the rise and fall of the Comanche
Yup...Quanah Parker was quite the negotiator for getting settlements for grazing/crossing on Comanche land.
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2:14p, 2/8/22
watched the river crossing last night.

holy @#@$#

best episode so far

the daughter is too anorexic but with a tan she has a beautiful face

wonder if that was really her singing to the longhorns- sounded like her voice
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In reply to Jason_Roofer • 2:21p, 2/8/22
Jason_InfinityRoofer said:
Bighunter43 said:
I think the worse part so far was McGraw's Civil War boots at Antietam......way too big for him and he actually stumbles because of them...(Hanks has the exact same pair)...no way anyone could have walked, much less fought in those! Plus: since when do horses hooves/shoes spark so much on the open prairie....they'd a caught the whole dang prairie on fire! It's been good though!


99% of the people watching this don't know that the river is NOT the Trinity, shoes don't spark, poison ivy does NOT look like Burr Oak leaves plucked from a tree, and that Rattlesnakes are not always deadly. Nevermind the fact that a lot of the group would've contracted the pox from that one fella. This show is not about accuracy any more than Yellowstone which is disappointing but expected. Gonna have to take it for what it is…a drama.


german gal gets killed from rattlesnake by going into the bushes

daughter in her voice overs is constantly walking around the prairie by herself in tall grass

it does bring up an interesting question though- which member of the production crew had to go walking around looking for snakes before the actors moved into the scene?

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In reply to LMCane • 3:20p, 2/8/22
AG
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it does bring up an interesting question though- which member of the production crew had to go walking around looking for snakes before the actors moved into the scene?

The non-union guys?
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In reply to Squadron7 • 3:30p, 2/8/22
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The non-union guys?
I think these are the only guys who would not protest being mandated to get the anti-venom vaccine after they got bit.
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6:31p, 2/8/22
Yeah, I'm really tired of Elsa's crap. I hope she gets killed off soon, because she's ruining the show. I do not give a **** about the philosophical musings of a teenage girl. This is a western - I want to see cowboys and Indians fighting. Elsa needs to adopt a British accent and move over to a Jane Austen story where she belongs and GTFO of this show.
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In reply to BowSowy • 6:39p, 2/8/22
BowSowy said:
Same thing you'd do these days, right? If you're caught out in the open with a tornado, you get to the lowest point to try to avoid the debris.
You have to randomly mug an Injun like you were a drunk chick at a college Halloween party or none of the rest works.
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In reply to Buck Turgidson • 7:00p, 2/8/22
AG
Buck Turgidson said:
Yeah, I'm really tired of Elsa's crap. I hope she gets killed off soon, because she's ruining the show. I do not give a **** about the philosophical musings of a teenage girl. This is a western - I want to see cowboys and Indians fighting. Elsa needs to adopt a British accent and move over to a Jane Austen story where she belongs and GTFO of this show.



Is this a little more your speed?
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In reply to Squadron7 • 8:37p, 2/8/22
Squadron7 said:
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it does bring up an interesting question though- which member of the production crew had to go walking around looking for snakes before the actors moved into the scene?

The non-union guys?

Or the new grads of course.
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In reply to Buck Turgidson • 9:42p, 2/8/22
AG
Buck Turgidson said:
Yeah, I'm really tired of Elsa's crap. I hope she gets killed off soon, because she's ruining the show. I do not give a **** about the philosophical musings of a teenage girl. This is a western - I want to see cowboys and Indians fighting. Elsa needs to adopt a British accent and move over to a Jane Austen story where she belongs and GTFO of this show.


I'll never understand gripes like this. We're on what! Episode 7 now? 8?
This is what the show is. Maybe it's not for you.
It's akin to saying "Man, I really love observational comedy but that Kramer has got to go!"
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9:19a, 2/9/22
AG
My wife and I thought this was far and away the worst episode. Elsa falling for the Comanche immediately was dumb.

Overall it's been great.
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In reply to Furlock Bones • 9:22a, 2/9/22
AG
Furlock Bones said:
My wife and I thought this was far and away the worst episode. Elsa falling for the Comanche immediately was dumb.

Overall it's been great.
according to my girlfriend, "Elsa is quite the little ho, isn't she"
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In reply to $3 Sack of Groceries • 9:46a, 2/9/22
SWC Ag said:
Buck Turgidson said:
Yeah, I'm really tired of Elsa's crap. I hope she gets killed off soon, because she's ruining the show. I do not give a **** about the philosophical musings of a teenage girl. This is a western - I want to see cowboys and Indians fighting. Elsa needs to adopt a British accent and move over to a Jane Austen story where she belongs and GTFO of this show.


I'll never understand gripes like this. We're on what! Episode 7 now? 8?
This is what the show is. Maybe it's not for you.
It's akin to saying "Man, I really love observational comedy but that Kramer has got to go!"
Well they have teased us with a preview of Elsa possibly getting killed off, so there is that hope. The rest of the show is great. Also, the first six episodes didn't seem as obnoxious as this last one. If this last episode is more representative of what the whole rest of the series will be, then I'll probably give up on it after a few more episodes.
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In reply to Buck Turgidson • 9:59a, 2/9/22
AG
There's only 3 episodes left.
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