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If I lived in Hiroshima, I'd be real worried if Nolan wants to film on location.

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Poor Nagasaki always gets ignored for Hiroshima. No one ever compares an explosion to the Nagasaki one, just Hiroshima.
SMH

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If you're not first, you're blast.

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FIFY

TCTTS said:

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Nolan's "Oppenheimer" movie could be his CHERNOBYL, metamorphizing the biggest event of the 20th Century into pure cosmic horror, with the A-Bomb as a forbidden eldritch force and the institutional moral failure allowing its use. Captured in IMAX. I can't wait for this movie. pic.twitter.com/mndl3ej6ie

— Brendan Hodges (@metaplexmovies) September 10, 2021

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And none of it will happen on screen.

pic.twitter.com/8MGGts38mY

— Kevin Lehane (@KevinLehane) September 18, 2021

Cillian Murphy got the role.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/cillian-murphy-j-robert-oppenheimer-christopher-nolans-universal-film-july-2023-1234852888/

Appropriately titled Oppenheimer, an "epic thriller that thrusts audiences into the pulse-pounding paradox of the enigmatic man who must risk destroying the world in order to save it," with a release date of July 21, 2023, Nolan's go-to, tried-and-true July slot...

Cillian Murphy to Star in Christopher Nolan’s ‘Oppenheimer’ https://t.co/r6m6629iXz

— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) October 8, 2021

i hope they cover the "you know, theoretically this could possibly spark a chain reaction and ignite the entire atmosphere. Should we really do this?" discussion before the set off the first one..

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2019/09/12/the_fear_that_a_nuclear_bomb_could_ignite_the_atmosphere.html

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In 1942, Hungarian-American physicist Edward Teller, known now as "the father of the hydrogen bomb," entertained a devastating nightmare scenario: that an atomic bomb could ignite the atmosphere and the oceans. He reasoned that a nuclear fission bomb might create temperatures so extreme that it would cause the hydrogen atoms in the air and water to fuse together into helium, just like in our sun, generating a runaway reaction that would eventually engulf the globe, extinguishing all life and turning the Earth into a miniature star.
When Teller informed some of his colleagues of this possibility, he was greeted with both skepticism and fear. Hans Bethe immediately dismissed the idea, but according to author Pearl Buck, Nobel Prize-winning physicist Arthur Compton was so concerned that he told Robert Oppenheimer that if there were even the slightest chance of this "ultimate catastrophe" playing out, all work on the bomb should stop.
So a study was commissioned to explore the matter in detail, and six months before the Trinity test, the very first detonation of nuclear device, Edward Teller and Emil Konopinski announced their findings in a report with the ominous title "Ignition of the Atmosphere With Nuclear Bombs."

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"It is shown that, whatever the temperature to which a section of the atmosphere may be heated, no self-propagating chain of nuclear reactions is likely to be started. The energy losses to radiation always overcompensate the gains due to the reactions."

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As we've thankfully witnessed after more than 2,000 nuclear detonations, Teller and Konopinski's conclusion appears to be correct.

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Excited to see Cillian Murphy in this. Based on his history with Nolan it's a no-brainer. Plus it's always cool to see Tommy Shelby...



https://deadline.com/2021/10/cillian-murphy-j-robert-oppenheimer-christopher-nolans-universal-film-july-2023-1234852888/

Highly recommend people read "American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer". Covers his whole life in very very fine detail. It's a dense read but there's plenty of time before the movie

Also good:
"The Making of the Atomic Bomb" -Richard Rhodes

"The Los Alamos Primer" -try to find a version with annotations by Robert Serber, has some good humor mixed in and good description of nuclear physics for those who aren't physics nerds.

Looking forward to what Nolan does with this. I am a bit afraid this is one of those topics for me where no movie can do it justice and I'll walk away disappointed no matter how good it is.

TCTTS said:

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Nolan's "Oppenheimer" movie could be his CHERNOBYL, metamorphizing the biggest event of the 20th Century into pure cosmic horror, with the A-Bomb as a forbidden eldritch force and the institutional moral failure allowing its use. Captured in IMAX. I can't wait for this movie. pic.twitter.com/mndl3ej6ie

— Brendan Hodgegoblin (@metaplexmovies) September 10, 2021

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I assume Nolan is not stupid enough to revise history in this way. There was no institutional moral failure that allowed the bomb's use. It is a moral failure to argue that there was.

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Highly recommend people read "American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer". Covers his whole life in very very fine detail. It's a dense read but there's plenty of time before the movie

Also good:
"The Making of the Atomic Bomb" -Richard Rhodes

"The Los Alamos Primer" -try to find a version with annotations by Robert Serber, has some good humor mixed in and good description of nuclear physics for those who aren't physics nerds.

Looking forward to what Nolan does with this. I am a bit afraid this is one of those topics for me where no movie can do it justice and I'll walk away disappointed no matter how good it is.

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as long as you arent on here arguing whether a german pilot would have stabbed a british soldier after crash landing, i think it will be ok.

Uh, this would be fantastic news if it happens

https://theplaylist.net/emily-blunt-christopher-nolan-universal-film-20211020/

Hell yeah.

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disagree on that whole "moral failure" part.
but this would be much better as an extended series for sure, not a single movie.

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One of the most interesting takes on the moral issue is one that Military Blunders on the History Channel took a few years ago. That the A-Bomb being used over Japan was a Japanese military blunder resulting from their use of the Bushido code and view of surrender being unacceptable. It forced the Allies to feel that the use of the Bomb was the only rational choice vs an all out invasion and the resulting magnitude of the lives lost from such an event. I had never perceived it that way before. I had (and still do) supported the idea to use the Bomb as opposed to an invasion. The bomb, even with radiation sickness, cost less lives than the invasion would have. But flipping it to blame the Japanese was an interesting angle. I really liked the HBO doc called White Light/Black Rain and how, at the end of the show, they asked the survivors if they blamed the US for their radiation sicknesses and issues, and to a person they said no. They blamed the leaders of Japan at the time for starting the war and not surrendering.

Doubt Nolan goes into all of this as it sounds like a Manhattan Project focused film. Regardless, as a history buff and teacher, I cannot wait to see his take and where he goes with it.

TCTTS said:

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Nolan's "Oppenheimer" movie could be his CHERNOBYL, metamorphizing the biggest event of the 20th Century into pure cosmic horror, with the A-Bomb as a forbidden eldritch force and the institutional moral failure allowing its use. Captured in IMAX. I can't wait for this movie. pic.twitter.com/mndl3ej6ie

— Brendan Hodgegoblin (@metaplexmovies) September 10, 2021

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By the way, is this guy's real name Hodgegoblin or is that just a twitter name? Awesome if it is. As a Spidey fan, first read that as Hobgoblin....

Has anyone watched the videos posted at Cornell's website of Hans Bethe giving a lecture to the members of his retirement community? I stumbled onto these back when they were first posted. Fascinating stuff from one of the key members of the Manhattan Project. He was head of the theoretical physics division.

If you're interested in history or just in the Manhattan Project or physics, you'll enjoy these.

http://bethe.cornell.edu/

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TCTTS said:

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Nolan's "Oppenheimer" movie could be his CHERNOBYL, metamorphizing the biggest event of the 20th Century into pure cosmic horror, with the A-Bomb as a forbidden eldritch force and the institutional moral failure allowing its use. Captured in IMAX. I can't wait for this movie. pic.twitter.com/mndl3ej6ie

— Brendan Hodgegoblin (@metaplexmovies) September 10, 2021

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Didn't Russia eventually test bombs 1000X bigger than Hiroshima? What a stupid take.

As near as makes no difference, it was 3,500X more powerful.

Probably as good of a place as any to plug this podcast from Dan Carlin.

Fascinating stuff between the end of WW2 and the end of the Cold War. Of all the people who wanted nuclear war, Fidel Castro was the biggest proponent.

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-59-the-destroyer-of-worlds/

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Has anyone watched the videos posted at Cornell's website of Hans Bethe giving a lecture to the members of his retirement community? I stumbled onto these back when they were first posted. Fascinating stuff from one of the key members of the Manhattan Project. He was head of the theoretical physics division.

If you're interested in history or just in the Manhattan Project or physics, you'll enjoy these.

http://bethe.cornell.edu/

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Hadn't seen these, very cool, I'll have to watch later.

Here's a lecture Richard Feynman gave about his experience during the Manhattan Project. Amazing bits of history and humor mixed in.


This is a documentary "The Day After Trinity" which interviewed many of the scientists while they were still alive. It is pretty old and the quality transferred to YouTube is not the best, but it is still watchable and very interesting.

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TCTTS said:

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Nolan's "Oppenheimer" movie could be his CHERNOBYL, metamorphizing the biggest event of the 20th Century into pure cosmic horror, with the A-Bomb as a forbidden eldritch force and the institutional moral failure allowing its use. Captured in IMAX. I can't wait for this movie. pic.twitter.com/mndl3ej6ie

— Brendan Hodgegoblin (@metaplexmovies) September 10, 2021

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Didn't Russia eventually test bombs 1000X bigger than Hiroshima? What a stupid take.

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The bombs we dropped on Japan were relatively weak.

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TCTTS said:

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Nolan's "Oppenheimer" movie could be his CHERNOBYL, metamorphizing the biggest event of the 20th Century into pure cosmic horror, with the A-Bomb as a forbidden eldritch force and the institutional moral failure allowing its use. Captured in IMAX. I can't wait for this movie. pic.twitter.com/mndl3ej6ie

— Brendan Hodgegoblin (@metaplexmovies) September 10, 2021

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Didn't Russia eventually test bombs 1000X bigger than Hiroshima? What a stupid take.

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The bombs we dropped on Japan were relatively weak.

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Not so fun fact: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen as targets because they were two of the last cities that hadn't already been fire-bombed into oblivion.

Less fun fact: the firebombing of mainland cities continued in between the two nuclear bombings. Two days after Hiroshima, daylight incendiary raids were conducted against the cities of Yawata and ***uyama; these attacks destroyed 21 percent of Yawata's urban area and over 73 percent of ***uyama.

Historically we look at the atomic bombs as singular events, with a simple go/no-go decision to use. In reality, the Atomic bombs were a piece of a larger air raid strategy that had been taking place ever since the B-29 went into service, which was in June of 1944. Little Boy and Fat Man weren't dropped until August of 1945, after we'd been bombing for 14 months.

We used to realize that collateral damage was just about the only way to win wars. Now we can't beat cavemen in 20 year long wars. This country is toast if a real country ever tries to flex.

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We used to realize that collateral damage was just about the only way to win wars. Now we can't beat cavemen in 20 year long wars. This country is toast if a real country ever tries to flex.

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It wasn't collateral damage. It was the view that the civilian going to work to produce for the nation was just as deadly, and as much a legitimate military target, as a uniformed warrior of that nation. Huge difference. We killed a LOT of Japanese because we wanted to kill a lot of Japanese.

That's my biggest question about this. History is being revised nonstop these days and wondering if Nolan is going to try his hand at that somehow. The reasoning for the project is bound to come up I would think.

Nolan doesn't seem like the revisionist type. And I'm guessing/hoping the very thing you're referencing is a point of discussion in-movie. Because that's a fascinating bit of info I wasn't aware of.

The most political Nolan has ever been in his movies was with The DarK Knight and Batman's sonar surveillance system built to find the Joker. In response, Lucious Fox of course raises his moral concerns, but many people took that particular plot point to be Nolan siding with Batman, which very much seemed to be a Bush-era, pro-Patriot Act stance, thematically.

In other words, if Nolan does indeed choose a "side" here, I doubt it'll be the more "woke" side. While he'll no doubt explore the moral complexities and concerns of such an event, I just can't see him doing anything remotely controversial with the material.

As I've thought about it since this was announced, I think it's going to be a pretty accurate historical take. Dunkirk says he is interested in WW2 and while he fictionalized some characters it was accurate on the events.
The only thing I can't figure out is timelines (since he always does that), but my guess is young pre war idealist RO vs. war pragmatist RO vs post war relative pacifist RO. He could also do the events in the weeks to and of the bombing vs the development work too. That one might make some sense.

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We used to realize that collateral damage was just about the only way to win wars. Now we can't beat cavemen in 20 year long wars. This country is toast if a real country ever tries to flex.

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It wasn't collateral damage. It was the view that the civilian going to work to produce for the nation was just as deadly, and as much a legitimate military target, as a uniformed warrior of that nation. Huge difference. We killed a LOT of Japanese because we wanted to kill a lot of Japanese.

That's my biggest question about this. History is being revised nonstop these days and wondering if Nolan is going to try his hand at that somehow. The reasoning for the project is bound to come up I would think.

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Very good clarification, I agree. I chose my words poorly.

only saw it in the theaters and not IMAX

but have watched it four times already and each time it gets better.

only fault was not enough Spitfires in the movie!!

or he could do the negotiations with the Commies to join the war at Yalta and Potsdam flipping back to us having to get the bomb to stop the Soviets from taking over all Europe

Robert Downey Jr. and Matt Damon are in talks to join Christopher Nolan's 'Oppenheimer'

(via @DEADLINE) pic.twitter.com/NddSRzqIz0

— Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) November 2, 2021

Does Matt Damon go to another planet? Gonna be trouble if so.

I notice you've been breaking a lot of the big stories around here lately, usually minutes after they drop.

Do you have alerts set on your phone for movie news or something? It's actually pretty impressive.

Can neither confirm nor deny.

From what I've seen in old pics Damon would play a perfect Ernest Lawrence

not a big rdj guy, sucks hes in it