56% critic score?! The fact that disney didn't bother to buy critic reviews like they did for TLJ is telling. This whole saga was a complete waste of Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fischer.
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If the movie dialogue included the words "Impeach Palpatine", that critic score would at least be in the 85% to 90% range.
Trying not to be too concerned. This is basically the reactions I would expect for the movie I have been expecting ever since Palpatine laughed in the trailer.
I hope to enjoy it to the point I won't question watching in the future. Anything beyond that is gravy.
I hope to enjoy it to the point I won't question watching in the future. Anything beyond that is gravy.
The bad/mixed reviews don't bother me because after watching The Last Jedi ( which I didn't hate like others) I remember thinking, "How are they going to finish this in one movie and have it all make sense?". For the past couple years I've been expecting the plot to be a mess, so I've already tempered my expectations.
It was always a possibility, but I never would have guessed that episode seven of The Mandalorian and the Tenet trailer/prologue would be the two things I'm now looking most forward to this week, yet here we are...
For what it's worth, Harloff said he didn't love the movie and it's now beyond plainly obvious that they had zero idea where they were going with this trilogy from the start, but he thinks this movie will be easier to rewatch than the Last Jedi.
He left Collider at the beginning of November. I don't watch regularly enough to know why but assume he wanted the additional freedom his own channel gives him
I wish something would unite the fans, but the schism that formed after TLJ was rough and for a lot of people, there wasn't going to be anyway ROS was gonna save it. Hell there are reddit boards destroying the film and 99% of those people haven't seen it yet.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Just popping in to say... I'm concerned. That RT score is not good.
I haven't read any specific reviews and I won't until after the movie, but damn. This is the opposite of what I expected this movie to do. (Unite the fans.)
Oh well. Nothing to do but hope for the best.
There is no real clear path where the franchise goes now, especially in terms of films. Rogue One was fantastic, and Solo was decent (I loved it), but it took the a huge hit thanks the TLJ in terms of financial success. The Mandalorian has been well received and we are all looking forward to Ewan McGregor returning as Obi-Wan for his series.
But the fact of the matter is that Star Wars is something that needs to be done on the big screen, not a streaming service, and there is no clear idea on what to do in terms of future films. There is going to be a hiatus. Apparently Rian Johnson is still working with Lucasfilm on getting his trilogy idea off the ground. The D&D trilogy got axed. Feige is supposed to be working on a new film as well.
In the end, we'll have a hiatus and hopefully the franchise can come back fresh and strong with a totally new story to tell (Fingers still crossed for the Old Republic).
We need a fresh start plot wise, either go back to the Old Republic time line or a few generations down the line.
I like Rian Johnson. I like big parts of TLJ. And in a vacuum, I can appreciate what he was trying to do on a meta level. But I think Abrams nailed it in his recent New York Times quote...
Kennedy and Iger and Abrams are all just as much to blame for this fiasco as anyone, but after TFA, which most everyone at least agrees was incredibly fun, despite not being a great movie, the franchise was still salvageable, for lack of a better word, and headed in the right direction overall. But it was that vulnerability that made it the exact wrong time to then sweep in and make a follow up that essentially said, with a hint of condescension, "The Jedi were a bunch of blowhards and the past doesn't matter." Again, I actually AGREE with those sentiments/themes on a certain level, but they're sentiments/themes that should have been saved for the NEXT trilogy, not the one that literally hinges on nostalgia and the classic characters we grew up with. I think it's important that franchises examine themselves every so often, like TLJ did. But doing so should have been utilized in a new arc years from now, AFTER we were done with the Skywalker Saga.
So, yeah, instead, now all we're left with is this muddled, tug-of-war franchise with no clear direction after what is increasingly looking to be an overcorrecting disaster of a finale. I really do think, at this point, that a three-year hiatus, but with the same bosses in charge, isn't enough. Disney needs to clean house at Lucasfilm. Kennedy needs to go. And they basically need to start from scratch across the board, even if it takes five years instead of three to figure out where the hell this franchise goes from here, cinematically.
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Abrams praised "The Last Jedi" for being "full of surprises and subversion and all sorts of bold choices."
"On the other hand," he added, "it's a bit of a meta approach to the story. I don't think that people go to 'Star Wars' to be told, 'This doesn't matter.'"
Kennedy and Iger and Abrams are all just as much to blame for this fiasco as anyone, but after TFA, which most everyone at least agrees was incredibly fun, despite not being a great movie, the franchise was still salvageable, for lack of a better word, and headed in the right direction overall. But it was that vulnerability that made it the exact wrong time to then sweep in and make a follow up that essentially said, with a hint of condescension, "The Jedi were a bunch of blowhards and the past doesn't matter." Again, I actually AGREE with those sentiments/themes on a certain level, but they're sentiments/themes that should have been saved for the NEXT trilogy, not the one that literally hinges on nostalgia and the classic characters we grew up with. I think it's important that franchises examine themselves every so often, like TLJ did. But doing so should have been utilized in a new arc years from now, AFTER we were done with the Skywalker Saga.
So, yeah, instead, now all we're left with is this muddled, tug-of-war franchise with no clear direction after what is increasingly looking to be an overcorrecting disaster of a finale. I really do think, at this point, that a three-year hiatus, but with the same bosses in charge, isn't enough. Disney needs to clean house at Lucasfilm. Kennedy needs to go. And they basically need to start from scratch across the board, even if it takes five years instead of three to figure out where the hell this franchise goes from here, cinematically.
I think they need to look at all the expanded universe material and pull some stories from there. There is plenty of good stuff there they could borrow from. I don't think the Rian Johnson trilogy has a chance of re-uniting the fan base. Even if it's good, he has burned far too many bridges. He would basically have to pull off the greatest trilogy ever to get everyone back on board.wangus12 said:I wish something would unite the fans, but the schism that formed after TLJ was rough and for a lot of people, there wasn't going to be anyway ROS was gonna save it. Hell there are reddit boards destroying the film and 99% of those people haven't seen it yet.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Just popping in to say... I'm concerned. That RT score is not good.
I haven't read any specific reviews and I won't until after the movie, but damn. This is the opposite of what I expected this movie to do. (Unite the fans.)
Oh well. Nothing to do but hope for the best.
There is no real clear path where the franchise goes now, especially in terms of films. Rogue One was fantastic, and Solo was decent (I loved it), but it took the a huge hit thanks the TLJ in terms of financial success. The Mandalorian has been well received and we are all looking forward to Ewan McGregor returning as Obi-Wan for his series.
But the fact of the matter is that Star Wars is something that needs to be done on the big screen, not a streaming service, and there is no clear idea on what to do in terms of future films. There is going to be a hiatus. Apparently Rian Johnson is still working with Lucasfilm on getting his trilogy idea off the ground. The D&D trilogy got axed. Feige is supposed to be working on a new film as well.
In the end, we'll have a hiatus and hopefully the franchise can come back fresh and strong with a totally new story to tell (Fingers still crossed for the Old Republic).
I think the best stuff is going to continue to come from the small screen for a bit, even though the movies are the big money makers.
Definitely. They need to get away from current characters and create a new world. I wouldn't mind something thousands of years in the future, where Luke Skywalker is really just a mythological figure. They could also update the tech then, too. One thing I always find weird is when we've got something more advanced here on Earth than they do on Star Wars.Gangnam Style said:
We need a fresh start plot wise, either go back to the Old Republic time line or a few generations down the line.
I honestly think that if TROS fails on the level it looks to fail, combined with all the subtle TLJ sh*t talking from Abrams and the actors, along with Kennedy potentially getting the boot, the Johnson trilogy is done. This whole thing is too poisoned now to the point where they simply can't bring back *any* past ingredients that contributed to the poisoning in the first place. That's my hope, at least.
*DING DING*TCTTS said:
I like Rian Johnson. I like big parts of TLJ. And in a vacuum, I can appreciate what he was trying to do on a meta level. But I think Abrams nailed it in his recent New York Times quote...Quote:
Abrams praised "The Last Jedi" for being "full of surprises and subversion and all sorts of bold choices."
"On the other hand," he added, "it's a bit of a meta approach to the story. I don't think that people go to 'Star Wars' to be told, 'This doesn't matter.'"
Kennedy and Iger and Abrams are all just as much to blame for this fiasco as anyone, but after TFA, which most everyone at least agrees was incredibly fun, despite not being a great movie, the franchise was still salvageable, for lack of a better word, and headed in the right direction overall. But it was that vulnerability that made it the exact wrong time to then sweep in and make a follow up that essentially said, with a hint of condescension, "The Jedi were a bunch of blowhards and the past doesn't matter." Again, I actually AGREE with those sentiments/themes on a certain level, but they're sentiments/themes that should have been saved for the NEXT trilogy, not the one that literally hinges on nostalgia and the classic characters we grew up with. I absolutely think it's important that franchises examine themselves every so often, like TLJ did. But that strategy should have been utilized in a new arc years from now, AFTER we were done with the Skywalker Saga.
So, yeah, instead, now all we're left with is this muddled, tug-of-war franchise with no clear direction after what is increasingly looking to be an overcorrecting disaster of a finale. That said, I really do think, at this point, that a three-year hiatus, but with the same bosses in charge, isn't enough. Disney need to clean house at Lucasfilm. Kennedy needs to go. And they basically need to start from scratch across the board, even if it takes five years instead of three to figure out where the hell this franchise goes from here, cinematically.
Before watching The Force Awakens, I didn't care if the central protagonist was of Skywalker lineage. I didn't care if the main antagonist was another Sith lord puppet master.
That is....until JJ Abrams told me I should care. He's the one who propped up Rey's family origin as a mystery. He's the one who just dropped an aged and scarred "Sith" Emperor (who is clearly old enough to have been around in the OT) with 0 context or background knowledge. ANYONE would feel compelled to believe that keeping those aspects of the story in the dark meant that they must have some great import.
And then, Rian leaned into those mysteries during the TLJ. Giving even greater emphasis to the naturally curious:
Why would they keep alluding to Rey's family abandonment? Why would they not give her a last name?
Who is this Snoke guy? Is he a Sith? Where was he during the OT? How did he become such a powerful force user?
...until Rian ultimately mocked the premise. Rey is nobody. Snoke doesn't warrant explanation. Luke's lightsaber could have been found by anybody.
It's not that I'm disappointed to learn Rey is a nobody. It's not that I'm disappointed that Snoke was summarily ignored.....It's that I was tricked to care about them in the first place and made to feel like nothing about The Force Awakens matters. If his message was to "kill the past" why did we even re-visit it in the first place?
I personally don't hate TLJ like a lot of people do. It's a movie that has flaws, but it's not as terrible as a lot of people make it seem.
I honestly think if they had handled Luke differently, such as had him actually show up and fight, the fan reaction wouldn't have been near as bad. To me, it seems that is the biggest thing people were mad about. I do think they swung and missed really, really, terribly with the fans with the way they decided to handle Luke. I personally thought what Luke did was incredibly badass, but I understand the fan reaction to not have him come in and wreck shop. That would have been really fun too, just like seeing Vader go HAM in Rogue One.
I also think they made a mistake by sending Finn with Rose instead of continuing the Finn and Poe shenanigans.
I think those are the two biggest changes I would have made, and I think the fans would have reacted much, much better to the movie if those two things would have been done.
If they would have done those, I don't think they would have had to feel like the needed to correct everything and then overreach with TROS
Disney should have been way more plugged into how people felt about Luke.
I am still excited to see TROS!
I honestly think if they had handled Luke differently, such as had him actually show up and fight, the fan reaction wouldn't have been near as bad. To me, it seems that is the biggest thing people were mad about. I do think they swung and missed really, really, terribly with the fans with the way they decided to handle Luke. I personally thought what Luke did was incredibly badass, but I understand the fan reaction to not have him come in and wreck shop. That would have been really fun too, just like seeing Vader go HAM in Rogue One.
I also think they made a mistake by sending Finn with Rose instead of continuing the Finn and Poe shenanigans.
I think those are the two biggest changes I would have made, and I think the fans would have reacted much, much better to the movie if those two things would have been done.
If they would have done those, I don't think they would have had to feel like the needed to correct everything and then overreach with TROS
Disney should have been way more plugged into how people felt about Luke.
I am still excited to see TROS!
Very well said.
I expect to enjoy the movie. I expect my kids will freaking love it. I expect they will love the trip to Disney to ride the Falcon.
I don't expect it to be a cinematic masterpiece. None of the Star Wars moves ever have been. The OT was so original that it has earned it place in movie history, but The Godfather it's not.
The comparison to the MCU hurts Star Wars, but really it's become both too many different things to too many people and a story without a center. It's the coolest imaginary sandbox in the world, but I don't really care what happens to any of the prices in it. And in some ways that's kind of been built in from the beginning when they blew up a planet as a plot device and everyone just shrugged it off by about 15 minutes later of screen time.
I don't expect it to be a cinematic masterpiece. None of the Star Wars moves ever have been. The OT was so original that it has earned it place in movie history, but The Godfather it's not.
The comparison to the MCU hurts Star Wars, but really it's become both too many different things to too many people and a story without a center. It's the coolest imaginary sandbox in the world, but I don't really care what happens to any of the prices in it. And in some ways that's kind of been built in from the beginning when they blew up a planet as a plot device and everyone just shrugged it off by about 15 minutes later of screen time.
You know it's a bad movie when you feel you don't want to watch it ever again after your initial viewing and the one lasting impression from that movie is the horrible Casino scene. My wife surprisingly told me earlier today that she wants to watch TLJ tonight before we see ROS tomorrow. So I'm actually going to see it again for the first time since my initial viewing. We'll see if I'll have the same opinion about the movie after seeing it again.
Luke was 100% the problem. The EU was 40 years of fan fiction to give hardcore fans the one thing they never got from the OT. Luke Skywalker basest Jedi using the force to wreck shop on the galaxy. The PT tried to tap into that with a lot of Jedi badassery, but the movies were terrible, and it wasn't Luke anyway.
The new trilogy had a chance to make it right and they didn't.
I still think a stand alone Luke move set right after Jedi where he roams the galaxy to collect Jedi relics and force push fools around would solve all of Disney's problems.
The new trilogy had a chance to make it right and they didn't.
I still think a stand alone Luke move set right after Jedi where he roams the galaxy to collect Jedi relics and force push fools around would solve all of Disney's problems.
I told someone a couple of days ago, before the reviews and even if TROS was a major success, that I believe Kathleen Kennedy is done. To me, there is too much out there I'm reading that suggests it will happen.TCTTS said:
I honestly think that if TROS fails on the level it looks to fail, combined with all the subtle TLJ sh*t talking from Abrams and the actors, along with Kennedy potentially getting the boot, the Johnson trilogy is done. This whole thing is too poisoned now to the point where they simply can't bring back *any* past ingredients that contributed to the poisoning in the first place. That's my hope, at least.
The fact that they shut down future movies, new trilogies and anthologies, is a huge. Bringing Kevin Feige in, even if not in a super major role, is telling. All of the directors being fired during production of almost every property out side of TFA is not good for her. The fact that it's come out publicly that there was no overarching story outline for new trilogy is a bad look too.
I don't think they wanted to rock the boat too much before TROS, but I give it maybe 6 months to a year after TROS leaves theaters, and I lean toward 6 months.
Completely agree. TLJ works much better as either a standalone movie, or part one of a new trilogy. It is terrible as part two of the trilogy. I just rewatched TFA, and while it is essentially just a retelling of ANH, it still does a great job of setting things up for the next two movies. It was clear that Johnson didn't understand his audience, and what people wanted. He seemed to just want to do it his way. I expect Kennedy will be moved into another position after this movie. At least initially, this looks like it's going to be a major disappointment. After Solo, I think she's done. It wouldn't surprise me if they asked Kevin Feige to try and save it. Disney can still make good money with the TV stuff while they figure out their next steps on the big screen. I have a feeling, though, Disney isn't going to want to wait five years.TCTTS said:
I like Rian Johnson. I like big parts of TLJ. And in a vacuum, I can appreciate what he was trying to do on a meta level. But I think Abrams nailed it in his recent New York Times quote...Quote:
Abrams praised "The Last Jedi" for being "full of surprises and subversion and all sorts of bold choices."
"On the other hand," he added, "it's a bit of a meta approach to the story. I don't think that people go to 'Star Wars' to be told, 'This doesn't matter.'"
Kennedy and Iger and Abrams are all just as much to blame for this fiasco as anyone, but after TFA, which most everyone at least agrees was incredibly fun, despite not being a great movie, the franchise was still salvageable, for lack of a better word, and headed in the right direction overall. But it was that vulnerability that made it the exact wrong time to then sweep in and make a follow up that essentially said, with a hint of condescension, "The Jedi were a bunch of blowhards and the past doesn't matter." Again, I actually AGREE with those sentiments/themes on a certain level, but they're sentiments/themes that should have been saved for the NEXT trilogy, not the one that literally hinges on nostalgia and the classic characters we grew up with. I absolutely think it's important that franchises examine themselves every so often, like TLJ did. But that strategy should have been utilized in a new arc years from now, AFTER we were done with the Skywalker Saga.
So, yeah, instead, now all we're left with is this muddled, tug-of-war franchise with no clear direction after what is increasingly looking to be an overcorrecting disaster of a finale. That said, I really do think, at this point, that a three-year hiatus, but with the same bosses in charge, isn't enough. Disney need to clean house at Lucasfilm. Kennedy needs to go. And they basically need to start from scratch across the board, even if it takes five years instead of three to figure out where the hell this franchise goes from here, cinematically.
If Kennedy is out, is that a decision that Iger gets to make or do they wait for the next CEO to come onboard and hire someone?
This movie isn't going to be a financial failure.
Fans may not like it as much as Disney wants, but it's going to make enough money.
Fans may not like it as much as Disney wants, but it's going to make enough money.
I wasn't even that upset over Luke in TLJ. Mark Hamill is an old out of shape dude. I didn't have high hopes for huge action scenes.
What killed it for me is the entire setup (a long, slow car chase), Poe's arc is awful and dumb, Rose should never have been in the movie, and the fact that it just looked like the trilogy had no planning. Rey's parents/past were referenced sooooo heavily in TFA. She refused a job from Han FREAKING Solo to go back to Jakku and wait for her parents. Snoke is this random bad guy with Emperor esque powers that has no real part in the story. The whole movie didn't make sense and the dialogue was terrible.
What killed it for me is the entire setup (a long, slow car chase), Poe's arc is awful and dumb, Rose should never have been in the movie, and the fact that it just looked like the trilogy had no planning. Rey's parents/past were referenced sooooo heavily in TFA. She refused a job from Han FREAKING Solo to go back to Jakku and wait for her parents. Snoke is this random bad guy with Emperor esque powers that has no real part in the story. The whole movie didn't make sense and the dialogue was terrible.
No one's saying it's not going to make money. But by the sound of it, it could potentially KILL enthusiasm going forward.
I had no problem with him being old and out of shape. I had a big problem with them turning a bad ass Jedi into a complete ****ing clown.BoydCrowder13 said:
I wasn't even that upset over Luke in TLJ. Mark Hamill is an old out of shape dude. I didn't have high hopes for huge action scenes.
What killed it for me is the entire setup (a long, slow car chase), Poe's arc is awful and dumb, Rose should never have been in the movie, and the fact that it just looked like the trilogy had no planning. Rey's parents/past were referenced sooooo heavily in TFA. She refused a job from Han FREAKING Solo to go back to Jakku and wait for her parents. Snoke is this random bad guy with Emperor esque powers that has no real part in the story. The whole movie didn't make sense and the dialogue was terrible.
TCTTS said:
No one's saying it's not going to make money. But by the sound of it, it could potentially KILL enthusiasm going forward.
Counterpoint: Baby Yoda.
Disney isn't planing any more movies in the next few years, so any hangover from this trilogy should be long gone. It's not going to flame out like a Spider-Man trilogy, and even if it did those still get successfully rebooted every 5 years
Star Wars survived the prequels, it'll survive this too. But Disney does need to get the next phase of movies right.TCTTS said:
No one's saying it's not going to make money. But by the sound of it, it could potentially KILL enthusiasm going forward.
My enthusiasm for Solo was shot to hell. Not because of TLJ, but because the previews showed a guy who, to me, didn't in any way resemble Han Solo. Watching the previews felt like watching a high budget fan fiction. It was also a story that didn't SEEM to be needed. Nobody was sitting there asking what happened in Han's life before A New Hope. With Rogue One, it was awesome to see a story that actually filled a gap and showed a time period where the most popular villain of all time would be in his prime. And it didn't disappoint. But I wasn't jumping through hoops and impatiently waiting for it to come out.
But my enthusiasm for a trilogy in the future.. really based on any story and in any time period will be through the roof no matter how TLJ ends up. My enthusiasm will absolutely skyrocket if they set the new trilogy in the Old Republic time period, with the chance of actual wars between jedi and sith, and not just one or two dabbling around the screen.
And my enthusiasm for Obi Wan will be sky high, because it covers something that I've always wondered.. what the hell was Obi Wan actually doing all those years.
But my enthusiasm for a trilogy in the future.. really based on any story and in any time period will be through the roof no matter how TLJ ends up. My enthusiasm will absolutely skyrocket if they set the new trilogy in the Old Republic time period, with the chance of actual wars between jedi and sith, and not just one or two dabbling around the screen.
And my enthusiasm for Obi Wan will be sky high, because it covers something that I've always wondered.. what the hell was Obi Wan actually doing all those years.
Very few people in the real world (the actual audience) have seen the movie yet.
Now we're already deciding it's going to kill enthusiasm. There are reddit threads destroying the movie. We're deciding who needs to be fired. This is fantastic.
The internet is a cesspool.
Now we're already deciding it's going to kill enthusiasm. There are reddit threads destroying the movie. We're deciding who needs to be fired. This is fantastic.
The internet is a cesspool.
I thought TFA was average and TLJ was horrible. I am neutral on this movie and will see it on Friday at 11am for free at Alamo (thanks Nutanix, gotta love vendors).
I will give it a fair shake, even though I would not pay to see it after the way the last director, current director, and the head of Lucasfilm have talked trash to fans.
I will give it a fair shake, even though I would not pay to see it after the way the last director, current director, and the head of Lucasfilm have talked trash to fans.
As I said earlier, a lot of these reactions/complaints sound objectively bad, not just snooty-critic-who-can't-have-fun bad. But just to even it out, here are some positive reactions as of late...
(though, Alex literally once called 9-1-1 because a woman in a theater was on her phone at film festival, and he's super whiney/weird overall, but whatever)
(though, Alex literally once called 9-1-1 because a woman in a theater was on her phone at film festival, and he's super whiney/weird overall, but whatever)
Broke my silence hoping to talk soundtrack with someone but instead I walked into Darth Internet telling Obi-Wan Hasn't Even Seen the Movie Yet that the meltdown is now complete.
Everyone gets their opinion, if you want to base yours on a film critic or bloggers, well gig'em and God Bless, Army. I respect your freedom of speech to be worried.
Me? I care about just two opinions.
Mine and that of my 7 year old daughter, who has dutifully torn away page after page of our custom countdown to TROS calendar since March waiting for her chance to see it on Saturday.
She's bringing her plush Yoda with her to the theater. She squeals in delight every time we watch another new commercial. When she heard Palps change his voice she said OH MY GOD DADDY THE EMPEROR WAS PRETENDING SO HE COULD TO TRICK BEN SOLO.
You remember being 7? I was 7 in 1981, one year after Empire, two years before Jedi. I had no idea what a movie reviewer even was back then. But I sure was pissed off at Lando. And my friends and I discussed for months what color Luke's new saber should be.
I have been talking SW with some of you guys for more than 9 years now and it's gotten me through some of the worst moments of my life - our daughters being born 17 weeks premature,a car wreck that made everyone think I was dead, and even worse made me miss Rogue One in the theaters, and the death of our beloved Golden Retriever.
Lots of people think i'm a pompous self-important windbag on here who believes he knows more about Star Wars than anyone else (which is true). But whenever you see IX and whatever you ultimately think of it, for those two hours try and remember what it was like to be 7 years old.
Be a kid, laugh it up fuzzball, cheer for Rey, boo Kylo's angst, cry for Carrie, enjoy it. It's Star Wars.
Everyone gets their opinion, if you want to base yours on a film critic or bloggers, well gig'em and God Bless, Army. I respect your freedom of speech to be worried.
Me? I care about just two opinions.
Mine and that of my 7 year old daughter, who has dutifully torn away page after page of our custom countdown to TROS calendar since March waiting for her chance to see it on Saturday.
She's bringing her plush Yoda with her to the theater. She squeals in delight every time we watch another new commercial. When she heard Palps change his voice she said OH MY GOD DADDY THE EMPEROR WAS PRETENDING SO HE COULD TO TRICK BEN SOLO.
You remember being 7? I was 7 in 1981, one year after Empire, two years before Jedi. I had no idea what a movie reviewer even was back then. But I sure was pissed off at Lando. And my friends and I discussed for months what color Luke's new saber should be.
I have been talking SW with some of you guys for more than 9 years now and it's gotten me through some of the worst moments of my life - our daughters being born 17 weeks premature,a car wreck that made everyone think I was dead, and even worse made me miss Rogue One in the theaters, and the death of our beloved Golden Retriever.
Lots of people think i'm a pompous self-important windbag on here who believes he knows more about Star Wars than anyone else (which is true). But whenever you see IX and whatever you ultimately think of it, for those two hours try and remember what it was like to be 7 years old.
Be a kid, laugh it up fuzzball, cheer for Rey, boo Kylo's angst, cry for Carrie, enjoy it. It's Star Wars.
THIS.Buck Compton said:
Very few people in the real world (the actual audience) have seen the movie yet.
Now we're already deciding it's going to kill enthusiasm. There are reddit threads destroying the movie. We're deciding who needs to be fired. This is fantastic.
The internet is a cesspool.
It's quite absurd that we're already trashing the movie and saying it's horrible when only 1 of us has seen it and it sounded like he loved it. Back to a point made a few pages back, we put way too much faith and credibility in critics. Why is it we can't wait until we see it and then decide for ourselves? We take what these folks write up for "click value" and believe it at face value. These are the same critics that put TLJ at 91% on RT (and even though I'm still a TLJ fan, it seems the masses as a whole hated it).