I can buy that.

As has been stated before, we're just way too far down the "Rey is a nobody" road to credibly go back on it without undercutting the "even a nobody can be a somebody" theme.

Couldn't it bring balance by just stopping making force users then?

Flashdiaz said:

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perhaps the force doesn't create dark users. It simply creates users. Free will comes into play. Some may use if for higher consciousness (or getting brooms). Some may use it for more nefarious reasons. Every now and then, a force user chooses to be so 'dark' that the force must respond to bring balance.

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ding ding ding!

Took the words right outta my mouth.

Free will.

Even in ANH Tarkin refers to Vader as "the last of that ancient religion." Free will has to be a factor

So... "balance" isn't light AND dark 50/50. Instead, "balance" is simply a course correction.

I think that's where the confusion lied for me.

I'm not sure what that has to do with this theory though.

So basically the Force is a drunk driver who's constantly over correcting.

TCTTS said:

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Yes, but decay and death are natural. They're not "bad." The dark side is clearly bad.

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Desire for self over others is also natural, and that's more what I equate as the dark side of the force. I think good/bad is too simplistic. Isn't the force based on Buddhism? If so, then the dark side is absolutely part of the natural state of things as well.

Claude! said:

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So basically the Force is a drunk driver who's constantly over correcting.

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Yeah maybe this is where I'm missing something...

I'm still confused on what exactly the theory is and how it makes this series make any more sense.

Just that Rey, like Anakin, was a product of the force? I don't see how that makes much of a difference in the plot other than just giving Rey a clearer background.

Like I said last page, I think this would be fairly hard to pull off simply from a plot mechanics standpoint. How would she (or we?) ever find this out?

Even still, the fact that this is so unclear for those of us who have watched these movies quite a bit reveals there is a problem with the story and mythology.

Please Dear God don't spark this conversation...

**** it - might as well destroy another perfectly good thread on this board.

TCTTS said:

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Please Dear God don't spark this conversation...

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Posted for sarcasm and humor only. I have no soap box to stand upon. Just thought the previous discussion about unclear Force direction was funny.

(Though I'm admittedly just now getting the joke.)

CJS4715 said:

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Even still, the fact that this is so unclear for those of us who have watched these movies quite a bit reveals there is a problem with the story and mythology.

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So I actually don't agree with this, but this is going to maybe get a little weird.

It being a "problem" presupposes that we're supposed to understand it, yet we don't understand the guiding force of our own universe. There are different religions, sciences, theories, etc to how life is formed, evolved, etc, but there's not one "definitively right" theory that connects everything together.

For all of our scientific advances, there are fundamental parts of our own universe that we don't understand.

In the same way, the people of Star Wars have various theories and interpretations of how/why/etc "the force" works, but none of them really know for sure. Some of them can even wield it's power, but not completely.

So as much as I give Ep. 8 a lot of crap for various things, the lack of clarity of the nature of the force doesn't bother me all that much.

bobinator said:

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Claude! said:

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So basically the Force is a drunk driver who's constantly over correcting.

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Yeah maybe this is where I'm missing something...

I'm still confused on what exactly the theory is and how it makes this series make any more sense.

Just that Rey, like Anakin, was a product of the force? I don't see how that makes much of a difference in the plot other than just giving Rey a clearer background.

Like I said last page, I think this would be fairly hard to pull off simply from a plot mechanics standpoint. How would she (or we?) ever find this out?

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Not quite.

It's implied in episode 3 that Anikan was NOT created by the force itself....but rather a dark side user. The Force was never intended to stop death or create life.

My theory was....balance is trying to be maintained because of the actions of Plagus.....therefore Rey would be the only creation of the Force since Anikan was done through the dark side manipulating the force

Remember...."All is, as The Force wills it."

Okay, I suppose I could see that... but I'd think she would have been created at the same time as Anakin. Like when the dark side force user used the force to create a life, he didn't realize he was actually creating two lives and that somewhere else a second child was born.

I could see it though I guess.

Magic stick man.

bobinator said:

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Okay, I suppose I could see that... but I'd think she would have been created at the same time as Anakin. Like when the dark side force user used the force to create a life, he didn't realize he was actually creating two lives and that somewhere else a second child was born.

I could see it though I guess.

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Yup. That is the one flaw with this idea. My only thought behind that is that it was not immediately known what kind of force user Anikan was going to be.

Before he turned, Anikan did a lot of good for the Republic.

My favorite character from my favorite Star Wars Movie

Edit: oops, that's my 2nd favorite character. Forgot about K2SO. He's definitely my #1

He also birthed Luke and Leia, so he kind of balanced himself out before Rey was even born.

Is it considered Star Wars fact/canon that Darth Plagueis really did creat Anakin? I know Palpatine hinted as much in ROTS, but that's a fact, right?

jokershady said:

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bobinator said:

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Claude! said:

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So basically the Force is a drunk driver who's constantly over correcting.

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Yeah maybe this is where I'm missing something...

I'm still confused on what exactly the theory is and how it makes this series make any more sense.

Just that Rey, like Anakin, was a product of the force? I don't see how that makes much of a difference in the plot other than just giving Rey a clearer background.

Like I said last page, I think this would be fairly hard to pull off simply from a plot mechanics standpoint. How would she (or we?) ever find this out?

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Not quite.

It's implied in episode 3 that Anikan was NOT created by the force itself....but rather a dark side user. The Force was never intended to stop death or create life.

My theory was....balance is trying to be maintained because of the actions of Plagus.....therefore Rey would be the only creation of the Force since Anikan was done through the dark side manipulating the force

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Given that a dark side user manipulated the force to create Anakin, that bloodline is a *******ization of the force. Kylo will be the last one and Rey will bring balance to the force by killing off the Skywalker blood.

I really dig that idea.

So this may be wrong in canon, admittedly I mostly just watch the movies, but I always though that Palpatine was lying about that. I thought he was just trying to make Anakin feel like he belonged with the dark side, like it was his destiny to join him.