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Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

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kennedy has said before that the episodes (meaning the three trilogies) are the story of the skywalker family. if that's true and if we're to have a "happy ending", then i gotta think that either: (a) rey is ultimately a skywalker, or (b) kylo gets redeemed in some fashion.

though i suppose disney could go the other way and make the legacy of they skywalkers that they were kinda a-holes

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But why does Rey being a Skywalker = a "happy ending"? I've never understood this.

Again, the direction that Abrams and Johnson have decided to take this trilogy thematically is to say that your bloodline, where/how you're born, etc. doesn't matter. ANYONE can be great. The whole point is to say that you don't have to be a Skywalker to bring balance to the Force or save the universe. And as much as I've disliked TFA and TLJ narratively, I agree with that sentiment thematically. That IS the happy ending. That a nobody from Jakku or stable boy from Canto Bight can bring balance or save the universe. Why do so many people not find that satisfactory/happy? Rey being a Skywalker is not only incredibly boring to me, it would just reinforce all that tired, "chosen one"/birthright/bloodline/midichlorian bullsh*t.

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jackie childs said:

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TCTTS said:

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jackie childs said:

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TCTTS said:

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Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

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kennedy has said before that the episodes (meaning the three trilogies) are the story of the skywalker family. if that's true and if we're to have a "happy ending", then i gotta think that either: (a) rey is ultimately a skywalker, or (b) kylo gets redeemed in some fashion.

though i suppose disney could go the other way and make the legacy of they skywalkers that they were kinda a-holes

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But why does Rey being a Skywalker = a "happy ending"? I've never understood this.

Again, the direction that Abrams and Johnson have decided to take this trilogy thematically is to say that your bloodline, where/how you're born, etc. doesn't matter. ANYONE can be great. The whole point is to say that you don't have to be a Skywalker to bring balance to the Force or save the universe. And as much as I've disliked TFA and TLJ narratively, I agree with that sentiment thematically. That IS the happy ending. That a nobody from Jakku or stable boy from Canto Bight can bring balance or save the universe. Why do so many people not find that satisfactory/happy? Rey being a Skywalker is not only incredibly boring to me, it would just reinforce all that tired, "chosen one"/birthright/bloodline/midichlorian bullsh*t.

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i just want to say that i'm not advocating for how i think the movies should end or anything like that. i'm simply taking a quote that kennedy has said (admittedly, a quote that she could have totally backed down from for all i know) and pointing to it for i think we're likely going to get one of those two "tired" scenarios that i mentioned.

also, to clarify, when i say "happy ending", i'm just referring to the skywalker story, not star wars as a whole.

if neither of those scenarios happens, then what's the lasting legacy of the skywalker family? that the star wars universe would have probably been better off if the skywalkers had never existed?

and i completely get the "anyone can be great" theme. it's a pretty common theme in fantasy stories and it doesn't surprise me that they'd introduce it into star wars. and assuming they otherwise address or conclude the skywalker story, i wouldn't find that unsatisfactory at all.

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Flashdiaz said:

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Skywalkers got rid of Emperor Palpatine and Snoke.

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jackie childs said:

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Flashdiaz said:

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Skywalkers got rid of Emperor Palpatine and Snoke.

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but didn't they also help those two rise to power to begin with?

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dromo07 said:

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Kylo is a Solo not a Skywalker

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Snoke, we don't know because he died too young like a candle in the wind.

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Brennus said:

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Realize that the way this is going is that the Skywalkers didn't matter. Rey will be the ultimate savior and everything Episode 1-6 meant nothing. Ie anyone can do it.

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I've now seen not only all of the movies but the two animated shows, Clone Wars and Rebels. Hell, I've even read a couple of books set in the Star Wars universe. I have no issue with following a SW story that's not about the well known characters from Episodes 1-6. And it's been well established in the tv shows and books that you don't have to be a Skywalker to be "great" in the SW universe. But I do understand the need to establish that point in the movies. And I believe that yes, they had to do that by tying small elements of Episodes 1-6 into these three new Episodes so that the audience could definitively say goodbye to the "Skywalker narrative" and move on to other SW stories.

I just think that Abrams and Johnson did a very amateur job of it. Abrams shouldn't have made TFA basically a copy of ANH. That just strung all the die-hard "Skywalker" fans along that Episodes 7-9 would continue the Skywalker storyline. And Johnson compounded the problem by trying to pull a way too abrupt 180 and moving past "Skywalker" in an extremely clumsy, overly preachy, and sanctimonious way.

Simply put, I'm fine with moving the Star Wars story past the Skywalkers, but the powers in charge just aren't capable of doing it in a graceful way.

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That's some serious weaksauce, but I will say this... if JJ decided he was gonna make a fanservice movie, that would be a strong contender. Even if it was just something like Rey seeing glimpses of Jedi through time and one of those was a live action snippet of Ezra opposing Thrawn.

That would actually be kinda fun, actually. Another Force vision. Rey sees Bastila Shan being tortured by Darth Malak, then Luke standing before the Emperor and throwing his lightsaber away, then Obi Wan holding the body of Duchess Satine while Maul stands over him, then Ahsoka and Kanan fighting the Inquisitors, then Yoda encountering the spectre of Darth Bane on Moraband, then Ezra defeating Thrawn on the Chimera, etc. All classic moments involving Jedi from all across the canon.

The Thrawn scenario doesn't totally fit there because the others are all Dark Side related, but... something like that.

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I've secretly hoped that Rey somehow obtains Bastila's yellow dual saber. Doesn't even have to be stated explicitly. Maybe it was an artifact that Luke came across sometime during his exile, and she goes back to Ach-To and retrieves it.

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TCTTS said:

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WHEAT CONFIRMED FOR EPISODE IX!!!

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Ulrich said:

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I'm not sure a vision introducing half a dozen characters and scenarios 90% of movie goers have never heard of is a great idea. Either you have to explain all of it (hooray, exposition) or everyone is just going to be confused. People are already tweaked about the apparently meaningless vision in TFA.

Now, throwing an obi-wan scene in as a teaser for his standalone movie and a character that 90% of movie goers already know? That could be brilliant, it's the kind of thing Marvel does.

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