Can you ask him how many takes it took for him to say "Look ma" or maybe his line was "Sheriff Langston come quick" in Silverado?

I think that was him right?

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So how many of you guys are going to br upset if Reys parents are someone or if Kylo comes to the light, or even gray side? I hope for at least one of these things. If not the "Skywalker Story" kind of ended badly.

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I definitely believe Rey's parents are "somebody".

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Guys, you have got to stop doing this to yourselves. Rey's parents being "nobody" is CENTRAL to her character. JJ has confirmed that this has ALWAYS been the case. Daisy said from ages ago that her parents' identities we're OBVIOUS and being nobodys is the only obvious answer.

Hold out hope if you want, but you're really doing yourself a disservice. And, you'll inevitably be mad all over again.

Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

What if he finally does something good in the end but still dies in the process, ala Vader?

I still think/hope any deaths in this last film will be either R2 or R2 & BB8 sacrificing themselves to do something to save the Resistence.

Done right that could emotional and powerful AF

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What if he finally does something good in the end but still dies in the process, ala Vader?

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I'm not sure anything he could do would redeem him after he killed Han Solo.

And presumably if Leia dies as we've speculated in this thread in an attack by the First Order, he will have been behind that as well.

But something to do with Leia could be the only angle I can think of in a redemption story.

Is there enough time for Rey and force ghosts et al to train additional force users for a final showdown with the Kylo and the knights of ren and first order? This could involve a time jump of course between episodes

I bet JJ uses the time travel trick from Rebels. The gnashing of teeth will be quite strong

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That's part of what makes this so interesting. Abrams has never been in a situation where he's forced to definitively end something. I'm anxious to see what he can do when he can't rely on mystery box BS. He might crash and burn but he also might find a gear he or we didn't know he had.

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The way I look at this is, could Spielberg do it? Yes. Then Abrams can, too.

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Does that mean there are face dancers?

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I hope we get to see planet Ix, too.

Page 3?

After TLJ I'm going to try and temper my expectations for this thing, but I don't know how successful I'll be by the time next December rolls around.

I think there's still a lot of wiggle room for the ending not really being a definitive end for anyone except for Kylo Ren (and Leia obviously.)

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At the end, the kids were re-enacting Luke and Kylo's battle which implies some time has already passed in order for the legend to be heard by stable kids in a far planet.

That is unless Poe was on Facebook live or something.

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I've only seen the movie once but it did not appear obvious that the kids were reenacting Luke and Kylo's fight

WHEAT CONFIRMED FOR EPISODE IX!!!

TCTTS said:

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Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

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kennedy has said before that the episodes (meaning the three trilogies) are the story of the skywalker family. if that's true and if we're to have a "happy ending", then i gotta think that either: (a) rey is ultimately a skywalker, or (b) kylo gets redeemed in some fashion.

though i suppose disney could go the other way and make the legacy of they skywalkers that they were kinda a-holes

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TCTTS said:

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Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

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kennedy has said before that the episodes (meaning the three trilogies) are the story of the skywalker family. if that's true and if we're to have a "happy ending", then i gotta think that either: (a) rey is ultimately a skywalker, or (b) kylo gets redeemed in some fashion.

though i suppose disney could go the other way and make the legacy of they skywalkers that they were kinda a-holes

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Leia was supposed to be focal point of ep9 and thus it would have been about the Skywalkers. Unless Kylo has a baby with Rey or one of the Knights of Ren, it's time for the Skywalkers to end.

Are you saying Leia would have had another kid if she survived?

I wonder if we'll get some kind of Gollum at the end off Lord of the Rings-type ending. Where, instead of Kylo being redeemed, his hate and greed lead to his undoing in an act that kills him and saves the rebellion.

Also similar to the undoing of the nazi's at the end of Last Crusade.

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Gigem314 said:

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So how many of you guys are going to br upset if Reys parents are someone or if Kylo comes to the light, or even gray side? I hope for at least one of these things. If not the "Skywalker Story" kind of ended badly.

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I definitely believe Rey's parents are "somebody".

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Guys, you have got to stop doing this to yourselves. Rey's parents being "nobody" is CENTRAL to her character. JJ has confirmed that this has ALWAYS been the case. Daisy said from ages ago that her parents' identities we're OBVIOUS and being nobodys is the only obvious answer.

Hold out hope if you want, but you're really doing yourself a disservice. And, you'll inevitably be mad all over again.

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Bookmarked

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TCTTS said:

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Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

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kennedy has said before that the episodes (meaning the three trilogies) are the story of the skywalker family. if that's true and if we're to have a "happy ending", then i gotta think that either: (a) rey is ultimately a skywalker, or (b) kylo gets redeemed in some fashion.

though i suppose disney could go the other way and make the legacy of they skywalkers that they were kinda a-holes

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Leia was supposed to be focal point of ep9 and thus it would have been about the Skywalkers. Unless Kylo has a baby with Rey or one of the Knights of Ren, it's time for the Skywalkers to end.

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i'm fine with the skywalkers ending. in fact, i think that's the logical conclusion to the story. the question becomes whether it's on a high note or not.

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Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

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kennedy has said before that the episodes (meaning the three trilogies) are the story of the skywalker family. if that's true and if we're to have a "happy ending", then i gotta think that either: (a) rey is ultimately a skywalker, or (b) kylo gets redeemed in some fashion.

though i suppose disney could go the other way and make the legacy of they skywalkers that they were kinda a-holes

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But why does Rey being a Skywalker = a "happy ending"? I've never understood this.

Again, the direction that Abrams and Johnson have decided to take this trilogy thematically is to say that your bloodline, where/how you're born, etc. doesn't matter. ANYONE can be great. The whole point is to say that you don't have to be a Skywalker to bring balance to the Force or save the universe. And as much as I've disliked TFA and TLJ narratively, I agree with that sentiment thematically. That IS the happy ending. That a nobody from Jakku or stable boy from Canto Bight can bring balance or save the universe. Why do so many people not find that satisfactory/happy? Rey being a Skywalker is not only incredibly boring to me, it would just reinforce all that tired, "chosen one"/birthright/bloodline/midichlorian bullsh*t.

Hell, can the Skywalker story be more emphatically done by having everyone DEAD at the end?

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Hell, can the Skywalker story be more emphatically done by having everyone DEAD at the end?

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Thanos shows up and snaps his fingers?

jackie childs said:

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TCTTS said:

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Exactly. The "nobody" message is literally the entire theme of TLJ. It's why the movie ends on broom boy. They're NOT going to reverse that.

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kennedy has said before that the episodes (meaning the three trilogies) are the story of the skywalker family. if that's true and if we're to have a "happy ending", then i gotta think that either: (a) rey is ultimately a skywalker, or (b) kylo gets redeemed in some fashion.

though i suppose disney could go the other way and make the legacy of they skywalkers that they were kinda a-holes

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I kinda think the opposite. If this is the end of the saga, then it needs to be the end of the Skywalkers, which rules out Rey having new parentage (which was ruled out already).

Luke helping to restore balance, through his pupil Rey, could end things well for the saga.