TCTTS said:

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Abrams and Ridley have both straight up said it's being addressed again. I can't imagine them readdressing it, only to come to the same conclusion.

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That could mean anything though. A HUGE part of the aftermath of TFA was trying to figure out Rey's lineage, and in order to give it the treatment it deserves, I think it needs significant screen time. TLJ focused a ton of time only for it to be "nothing," so I'd imagine they'd need to devote at least as much time for it to be "something."

Kudos to them if they pull it off, but if it turns out to be essentially "by the way, Han is your dad and Qi'ra's your mom" I think that would suck big time.

I'm not saying this your theory, Belton Ag, but I can't fathom how people could think Qui'ra is Rey's mom.

MuckRaker96 said:

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I'm not saying this your theory, Belton Ag, but I can't fathom how people could think Qui'ra is Rey's mom.

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It's not, and I agree with you.

Was just using that as an example.

wait how did we decide that time travel is going to be involved? I've been gone a few days.

It's a theory posted by Red Letter Media that seemingly everyone has bought into.

If time travel is allowed, just go back and edit the HTML code in the clones' programming to have Order 66 be "Tell your commanding Jedi general how handsome/pretty they look today." Endless problems solved.

Time travel theories were discussed a few months back if I'm not mistaken, I think even before Endgame.

They were, headed up by me.

MuckRaker96 said:

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I'm not saying this your theory, Belton Ag, but I can't fathom how people could think Qui'ra is Rey's mom.

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Grandmother made more sense to me. As in Rey's mom was born pre-ANH. But I don't think the timeline works for it any more.

But Qi'ra feels like a dangling plot thread now.

I am not feeling time travel. I just want RoS to be entertaining.

I think this is where I've landed on Rey's parentage... she's not going to be a Skywalker, Solo, or Kenobi. But her parents aren't going to be "filthy junk traders" either. I think they're still going to be "nobodies" - i.e. average people with no important blood lineage, etc - but will be revealed to have done something noble or significant somehow. I have no idea what, and I know that doesn't quite square with leaving-their-daughter-orphaned-on-Jakku, but I think Abrams & co are going explain their way around that. It's either that scenario, or some kind of clone/Force-created scenario we discussed a while back. I'd say like 75/25 at this point, respectively. Either way, they're not going to say "junk traders" in one movie and something like "Luke Skywalker's daughter" in the next. I think they're going to find a happy medium, where they technically honor what Kylo said in TLJ, but get around it on a technicality somehow.

I'm curious, why are you backing off the clone theory? That one still makes all the sense in the world to me. Nobody parents. Vision of a hall of repeating mirrors. Her first line to BB8: "Classified? Yeah, me too. Big secret." Etc. It's a theory that actually makes her journey through the new trilogy make sense as something that was planned from the beginning.

Ha, I don't know. I'm back and forth on everything with this movie. One day I'm convinced she's a clone, the next I'm thinking there's no way they'd do that, one day I'm thinking there's definitely time travel, the next I'm thinking there's no way they'd do that. Ask me tomorrow and I'll probably have a different opinion.

Haha. Fair enough!

Eh, it wouldn't really be a ripoff of the thrawn trilogy if it's used in a totally different way. That's like saying any movie with time travel is a rip-off of back to the future, or if they ever show a space pirate it's a ripoff of The Princess Bride.

If the climax of the movie has a Luke skywalker clone emerge to fight our heroes, then yeah, that would be a ripoff of the Thrawn trilogy.

Totally agree that seeing an animated version of the Thrawn Trilogy would be awesome someday. I think it could actually still fit in this continuity, couldn't it?

Sith Troopers introduced at Comicon:
https://www.mpaa.org/2019/07/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalkers-sith-trooper-introduced-at-sdcc/

I'm of the opinion that Kylo and Hux are having some extreme co-habitation problems atop the First Order, but with Hux the career military man, Kylo doesn't believe he can eliminate Hux without major blowback. That leads Kylo to embrace the Sith doctrines despite his plea to Rey in TLJ and bring back the concept of Palpy's red-robed Imperial Guards, but with his own twist as them being the equivalent to Vader's 501st - loyal specifically to him, elite warriors, and fashion icons in their red Sith Armor.

They are junk traders from a "certain point of view." That could easily describe say someone that flys around in the fastest hunk o junk in the galaxy.

Aggie_Journalist said:

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Eh, it wouldn't really be a ripoff of the thrawn trilogy if it's used in a totally different way. That's like saying any movie with time travel is a rip-off of back to the future, or if they ever show a space pirate it's a ripoff of The Princess Bride.

If the climax of the movie has a Luke skywalker clone emerge to fight our heroes, then yeah, that would be a ripoff of the Thrawn trilogy.

Totally agree that seeing an animated version of the Thrawn Trilogy would be awesome someday. I think it could actually still fit in this continuity, couldn't it?

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I guess I meant if Rey is a clone of Luke from his hand lost during ESB.

You do know what a clone is, right?

redline248 said:

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You do know what a clone is, right?

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well....seeing how all the storm troopers in the OT are technically still supposed to be clones from AOTC and ROTS but for some reason are all different heights....I'd say this is plausible at best

Most of the stormtroopers are enlisted guys. The clones are all aging twice as fast as a normal human. So they are around 20 at the time of the Battle of Geonosis and around 60 by ANH.

redline248 said:

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You do know what a clone is, right?

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Sorry, sampling his DNA to create another being.

MuckRaker96 said:

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Most of the stormtroopers are enlisted guys. The clones are all aging twice as fast as a normal human. So they are around 20 at the time of the Battle of Geonosis and around 60 by ANH.

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That's retcon, sorta. Until 1994ish, Lucas considered all Stormtroopers to be clones. That was the original idea.

Difference is those clones weren't necessarily the Galactic Republic clones that we now know, because that backstory wasn't written. Presumably the Emperor was continually churning out new clones to field his elite troopers.

AliasMan02 said:

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MuckRaker96 said:

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Most of the stormtroopers are enlisted guys. The clones are all aging twice as fast as a normal human. So they are around 20 at the time of the Battle of Geonosis and around 60 by ANH.

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That's retcon, sorta. Until 1994ish, Lucas considered all Stormtroopers to be clones. That was the original idea.

Difference is those clones weren't necessarily the Galactic Republic clones that we now know, because that backstory wasn't written. Presumably the Emperor was continually churning out new clones to field his elite troopers.

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Link ?

The extremely awesome Charles Soule just announced he's doing a 4-part comic called The Rise of Kylo Ren starting in December.

Most recently, Pablo has talked about it, but he scrubs his Twitter regularly so I can't find the tweet. The 1995 Power of the Force revival action figures card also referred to it, but not explicitly/definitely.

That's not something that ever was explicitly stated in the movies or anything. It's just what Lucas intended until he changes his mind as the prequels started to be developed, according to people who would know.

AliasMan02 said:

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Most recently, Pablo has talked about it, but he scrubs his Twitter regularly so I can't find the tweet. The 1995 Power of the Force revival action figures card also referred to it, but not explicitly/definitely.

That's not something that ever was explicitly stated in the movies or anything. It's just what Lucas intended until he changes his mind as the prequels started to be developed, according to people who would know.

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Gues I'll just have to take your word for it. It's the opposite of everything I've ever heard.

MuckRaker96 said:

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AliasMan02 said:

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Most recently, Pablo has talked about it, but he scrubs his Twitter regularly so I can't find the tweet. The 1995 Power of the Force revival action figures card also referred to it, but not explicitly/definitely.

That's not something that ever was explicitly stated in the movies or anything. It's just what Lucas intended until he changes his mind as the prequels started to be developed, according to people who would know.

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Gues I'll just have to take your word for it. It's the opposite of everything I've ever heard.

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All I know is by the time the Thrawn trilogy was written, the empire wasn't using clones. The books made a point to describe how weird they felt in the force when he had to fight some actual clones.