Then they ****ed it up by never explaining Bran fully(or close to it) and also having him contradict himself all season/series.

Not fleshing out his character combined with allowing people to use the "bran saw ahead and knew" as a defense is just dumb. Makes Bran the cheapest plot device in the history of TV.

lol, it's so bad in so many ways.

even if 'what happened' isn't the most absurd ending conceptually, the whole episode was just 'wtf' in execution.

What's funny is they even nailed my supposed 'theme' 'she didn't have a choice, she's my queen, the throne is the real evil burn it, now I have no choice but to kill her' -

and 'break the wheel' can only be done by some supernatural power' theme, and even then it doesn't really work.

(insert guy who sees everything and cant be poisoned instead of dragonswhichflew..off ..where?)


but it flopped so hard it's worse than could ever be imagined. At least 20 people on this thread wrote better endings.

They even attempted to show that 'break the wheel' can only be done by voting for a king that knows everyone and therefore can't be poisoned or betrayed' except we really have no idea what the **** he can or can't really see or do, where he goes, or why..

So what happened to arya and the horse and her whole character? nothing.

And let me get this straight - the 3 eyed raven has been around 10,000 years since before mankind, never minded the affairs of men, never led before, doesn't care to be with living people, and no one understands what he is.......and he can't be a lord of anything... and is lost in seeing everything past and present everywhere.........

yet all of a sudden he's excited (see eli manning face meme below for superbowl level 'i'm the king!' excitement)



to travel all the way to sacked city to be voted king of the burned throne by the hairy prison dwarf at some impromptu meeting........ which....was ..... for........... supposedly the hairy dwarf's trial?

Aaaaand the show thinks it's a good time for an 'awkward millennial funny' scene to have a bunch of randos, losers, freaks, and literally idiots all of a sudden decide to laugh at democracy, but out of the blue listen to the traitor/prisoner/hairy dwarf that was supposedly on trial, and make Mr. crippled-mystery-magic-peyote-smoking-dreamer-dude-king -- even though they have no idea what planet he's even on?




and the main character gets pincushioned without even a word or a farewell or even an emotional 'look'?

With no tie in to any of the prior angst or joy or whatever.. the leadup is just awkward nonsense... and what little dialogue there is sounds like total utter nonsense......

aaaaaand snow is on the ground.for ...what ...reason? and of course with no guards or anyone in sight because.....that makes sense?

Aaaaand everyone is just ignoring the ****ing dragon, who hates the throne and the game. But not the dude who betrayed and murdered its mother

They make the most interesting, controversial character in tv history decide to dress up in a hitler outfit, with hitler banners, and give a forgettable, nonsensical 'FFFFFFFFF (insert spit here) IIIRST OAAAADHAAAH' bad guy speech right out of TLJ's pathetic playbook.

then her forgettable - last - scene - body gets flown away for...what. reason...? to............where.......?

aaaaand they just sort of instantly rebuilt the whole city........exactly ... how? and why?

and Mr. Excitement is going to suddenly rule from. the . Melted throne in the burnt city .why?

and as king he suddenly pops in and abruptly leaves the counsel to tell dirty jokes and laugh about nothing....... to find out where the dragon is taking her body...for.........what....reason?

aaaand all of a sudden the big woman puts on her full armor to write nice things .abouther.. .. hateful man?

Aaaaaand the 'there and back again' doesn't even mention Bilbo?

and a whole boatload of best soldiers in the world who happen to be lonely eunuchs are...sailing.......off.......to....someplace.......to....do.........what?

aaaaaaand the dothraki are excited to.....do......what? and they went.....where? ..for what purpose?


aaaaaaaaaaaand the nasty red haired *****........won't support her brother, and wants a competing kingdomfor.......what reason? I guess to show that nasty schemers are still in play, just not where Mr. Peyote is watching?

aaaaand she's got her own kingdom and army so......i ... guess... .the game goes on!?

aaaaaand jon is sentenced to prison and exile .to.a . Place with no need to exist anymore.aaaaaand that's why they don't execute him..aaaaaand he gets there and ignores his sentence and runs off into the wild with his eyes on red haired women and his pet wolf with the gratuitous petting scene, and ignoring the king and everything. Ok..

Do you smell burnt toast?

I think the biggest failing from all of this is due to the fact that D&D actually knew the true ending and were likely faithful to it.

The problem is they knew where the chess pieces ended up but had absolutely zero clue how to get there. I mean c'mon it makes no sense in the show that Bran is King based on what we know in the show of Bran. It would be like flipping to the end of A Song of Ice and Fire and seeing Bran as King and thinking it was pretty stupid but you've completely missed the hundreds of pages over two books subtly leading the reader to that resolution.

I honestly think they would have been better off building an ending based on the trajectories the show had more clearly built. Yeah it wouldn't have been GoT expectation subversion but it would have at least made more sense in the context of a full watch.

It's pretty clear that the show went to **** the second the writers didn't have the books to take material from and started trying to come up with their own *****

The last two seasons were utterly despicable in the same way that the Last Jedi thumbed its nose at fans.

You have great story arcs for characters and then at the last second have them do **** that is totally out of character and then don't spend two seconds explaining why the **** they went off the rails.

Then they spend 6 ****ing seasons on two mirror image story arcs to have neither character fulfill their arc. Both heroes just break spontaneously so that they are either villains or pathetic shells of themselves.

Sansa was a joke- her play for the North's freedom had nothing to do with her people- it was a knee jerk reaction to needing to control her environment as a result of the trauma she experienced under Joffrey, Cersei, and Ramsey. She never heals. She becomes bitter, untrusting of anyone and everything that could possibly make her vulnerable emotionally-totally unsuited to rule anything. What she needs is a good therapist. They should have gotten Kelsey grammer to show up and be her Maester.

Tyrion is a ****ing joke. Every move he makes is the wrong one after the battle of the Blackwater. Even after his entire family flips him the bird (except Jaime) he runs back to try and help them, murderous and treacherous ****s they are.

Jaime has a chance to live a decent life with Brienne and gives that up and reverts ba k to the person he was prior to meeting her.

Just ****ing ridiculous.

Night King is the true hero of this story, trying to save the people of Kings landing from slaughter at the hands of Dany and the three eyed Raven who made it all happen.

bangobango said:

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Muy said:

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Anyone else see the subtle shot at the 2016 election where the leaders laugh at the idea of a popular vote selecting who leads?

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You realize Trump lost the popular vote, right?

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Which means jack because our system works. Thankfully California and New York dont get to choose the president based on popular vote. Every state gets voice

Last week of nerd rage I liked the ending

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I legitimately thought this was going to happen

Could Bran not just tell Arya what is West of Westeros?

I have mixed feelings about the finale. It was spoiled for me so I missed out on any shock or surprise about how things played out. Unfortunately, like the rest of the season, it was insanely rushed.

Bran as king seems pretty lame to me, mostly because he was under developed in the series. Apparently he plays a much larger role in the books, so I could see Bran as king maybe being the ending GRRM told D&D about years ago. Unfortunately, I don't think the show did a great job of mapping out the journey.

I'm ok with Arya and Jon's endings. Sansa's doesn't make sense given that nobody questioned the North becoming independent (then again they didn't question Bran as king either).

At the end of the day, I loved the majority of this show overall. Things sort of went off the rails starting in Season 7, but that doesn't change how much I enjoyed it prior. So based on that, I'm a bit sad to see it go. I sure will miss the opening title score. Maybe my favorite show intro of all time.

Stolen from elsewhere:

The Council scene was a masterpiece.

Grey Worm: Shut up Tyrion, you're our prisoner, you are not here to speak!
Tyrion: OK lemme just say one thing tho. Lets elect a new king.
Grey Worm: Fine, you can speak. But deliver no more than 2 long-winded speeches deciding the course of history which I will then agree to.
Tyrion: Our new king should have a good story.
No one: You mean like the rightful heir to the throne, who was raised a *******, was sent to the Night's Watch, was brought back to life, led an army to save the world from being destroyed by ice zombies - that story?
Tyrion: No, I mean the kid who fell out a window and is now seemingly brain damaged.
Council: Aye!
That kid's sister: Not me. The North must be independent. They will never accept a Stark as their ruler. I'll rule them instead.
Tyrion: What do you say, Bran?
Brain-damaged kid: I don't want it. But I came here specifically to get it.
Grey Worm: It is decided. I will forgive the murder of the Queen I traveled across the world to serve, as long as you guys pinky-swear not to let Jon off the hook as soon as I leave this country forever.
Tyrion: Deal.

Shocked that anyone liked, or felt remotely satisfied with that ending.

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Obviously you never saw a little show called Simon & Simon.

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I cannot blue star this enough.

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Wow, both my mom and dad have Texags accounts! Whoa.

This. Noone. Not Sansa. Not Bran. Not Arya. Not Sam.

Mentioned once that John was the rightful heir to the throne and Dany trying to take it was literally treason. So jon killing Dany was perfectly legal.

Grey Worm didn't have the right to hold him prisoner. And Bran was the most useless POS in the show. Cripple boy that can mind control ravens and peep on people in the past. So what?

I was upset that the Night King never got explained, but I was like- okay cool. They are saving time to write a killer ending.

I would have been much happier if they had ended the show after Arya offs the night king and Jon screams like a little ***** at the zombie dragon.

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bangobango said:

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You realize Trump lost the popular vote, right?

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Which means jack because our system works. Thankfully California and New York dont get to choose the president based on popular vote. Every state gets voice

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Jesus Christ guys, do I really have to post a link for this?

Politics Board

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The show has never made it clear how much Bran can see or know about the future. And other characters have had visions too. One of Dany's visions mostly came true tonight.

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They've definitely made it clear.

• Bran knows to wait for Jaime at the gates of Winterfell
• Bran knows to give Arya the Catspaw dagger which will kill the Night King
• Bran states that he came to Kings Landing to accept the throne
• Bran has a freaking vision of Drogon flying over Kings Landing back in season 6...

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Stolen from elsewhere:

The Council scene was a masterpiece.

Grey Worm: Shut up Tyrion, you're our prisoner, you are not here to speak!
Tyrion: OK lemme just say one thing tho. Lets elect a new king.
Grey Worm: Fine, you can speak. But deliver no more than 2 long-winded speeches deciding the course of history which I will then agree to.
Tyrion: Our new king should have a good story.
No one: You mean like the rightful heir to the throne, who was raised a *******, was sent to the Night's Watch, was brought back to life, led an army to save the world from being destroyed by ice zombies - that story?
Tyrion: No, I mean the kid who fell out a window and is now seemingly brain damaged.
Council: Aye!
That kid's sister: Not me. The North must be independent. They will never accept a Stark as their ruler. I'll rule them instead.
Tyrion: What do you say, Bran?
Brain-damaged kid: I don't want it. But I came here specifically to get it.
Grey Worm: It is decided. I will forgive the murder of the Queen I traveled across the world to serve, as long as you guys pinky-swear not to let Jon off the hook as soon as I leave this country forever.
Tyrion: Deal.

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Yep, that whole sequence was just beyond stupid.

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Shocked that anyone liked, or felt remotely satisfied with that ending.

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I can easily see GRRM saying years ago that Bran is king at the end. Unfortunately the show did a bad job of getting to that point, especially with GRRM never delivering another book.

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fightinags2013 said:

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Shocked that anyone liked, or felt remotely satisfied with that ending.

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Aside from being rushed, I'm shocked anyone was shocked by how it ended.

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Dissappointed but not surprised at the 'outcome'

Absolutely stunned at the horrible execution.

By far the biggest flameout in entertainment history.

Anyone else think it was odd when Bran mentioned there was no master of whispers? Would literally be the most pointless job in Westeros.