bangobango said:

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DartAg1970 said:

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With regards to Cersei not killing Tyrion. I think she has proven several times:

1. Doesn't let the Mountain kill Tyrion after the Dragon Pit meeting
2. Doesn't let the Mountain kill Jaime after he says he's going North

that she is incapable of actually killing her family. Even Tyrion, which is why I think she hired Bronn to do it before they ever made it to King's Landing. It would have been easier for her to just hear they are dead rather than actually be there, see it, and/or give the order to do it.

In the end I don't think she has it in her to do it.

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This is just an aside, and it probably has already been said on this thread, but I just learned it so I am going to share it.

According to my wife, the reason Qyburn came to Bronn with the murder contract is because Bronn and Cersei dated in real life and had a really bad breakup. It's now in their contract that they cannot be in the same scenes together.

I await the german bomb moon posts.

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redline248 said:

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So, what happened to all the Lannister/Tarly soldiers Dany captured? They all bent the knee to avoid becoming bbq. Did they join her army?

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bangobango said:

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DartAg1970 said:

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With regards to Cersei not killing Tyrion. I think she has proven several times:

1. Doesn't let the Mountain kill Tyrion after the Dragon Pit meeting
2. Doesn't let the Mountain kill Jaime after he says he's going North

that she is incapable of actually killing her family. Even Tyrion, which is why I think she hired Bronn to do it before they ever made it to King's Landing. It would have been easier for her to just hear they are dead rather than actually be there, see it, and/or give the order to do it.

In the end I don't think she has it in her to do it.

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This is just an aside, and it probably has already been said on this thread, but I just learned it so I am going to share it.

According to my wife, the reason Qyburn came to Bronn with the murder contract is because Bronn and Cersei dated in real life and had a really bad breakup. It's now in their contract that they cannot be in the same scenes together.

I await the german bomb moon posts.

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bangobango said:

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DartAg1970 said:

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With regards to Cersei not killing Tyrion. I think she has proven several times:

1. Doesn't let the Mountain kill Tyrion after the Dragon Pit meeting
2. Doesn't let the Mountain kill Jaime after he says he's going North

that she is incapable of actually killing her family. Even Tyrion, which is why I think she hired Bronn to do it before they ever made it to King's Landing. It would have been easier for her to just hear they are dead rather than actually be there, see it, and/or give the order to do it.

In the end I don't think she has it in her to do it.

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This is just an aside, and it probably has already been said on this thread, but I just learned it so I am going to share it.

According to my wife, the reason Qyburn came to Bronn with the murder contract is because Bronn and Cersei dated in real life and had a really bad breakup. It's now in their contract that they cannot be in the same scenes together.

I await the german bomb moon posts.

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cbr said:

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I'll put it this way. Even assuming the dragon was out of crossbow range and the passle of idiots was out of bow range, which they visually were not, then just Ride 100 mounted archers out the gate and mow them down.

99.9% chance you kill them all. 100% chance you get to watch them all scatter like chickens and run off in the dust, including the queen in her skirt. No way the dragon saves them in time, and if he tries he has to come in low, in range, in broad daylight, in an open field, right in the center of their crossbow killing field.

Even if it all goes wrong you only lose 100 dudes.

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clinker03 said:

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Its also impossible for them to think cersi was going to surrender or that she was not going to kill missandre, so what was the point of marching up to the gate before your army even arrives? Of course no way she doesnt kill tyrion either, but thats irrelevant because there is no way she doesnt kill them all.

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I don't think they had any intention of her surrendering. The scene right before it, they made it clear that they were just asking her to surrender so that when Dany killed everyone in King's landing, the survivors knew that she gave Cersei a peaceful option and that death and destruction wasn't their first choice. Argue it all you want, but that's what the show writers were going for.

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Urban Ag said:

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Triggered?

I'm not the one trying to convince people on a message board that something sucks. If I thought it sucked, I wouldn't be watching. I certainly wouldn't be dedicating my time to trying to convince you something you enjoy is terrible. What's the point, really? Everyone gets y'all think the show sucks and you're going to pick apart everything single detail to make that point. I've honestly never seen anything like it.

That seems like a better example of being "triggered".

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canadiaggie said:

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cbr said:

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I'll put it this way. Even assuming the dragon was out of crossbow range and the passle of idiots was out of bow range, which they visually were not, then just Ride 100 mounted archers out the gate and mow them down.

99.9% chance you kill them all. 100% chance you get to watch them all scatter like chickens and run off in the dust, including the queen in her skirt. No way the dragon saves them in time, and if he tries he has to come in low, in range, in broad daylight, in an open field, right in the center of their crossbow killing field.

Even if it all goes wrong you only lose 100 dudes.

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Maybe Cersei's plan is to let them gather and defeat them in one swoop? If she killed the entourage here and now, Jon just goes back North, Dorne possibly rebels, and Euron has to take back the Iron Islands. All this in winter. Presumably Cersei's line of credit only runs so deep with the Iron Bank and she can't afford a protracted campaign of trying to reel in the other kingdoms.

Just my internal justification.

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cbr said:

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I'll put it this way. Even assuming the dragon was out of crossbow range and the passle of idiots was out of bow range, which they visually were not, then just Ride 100 mounted archers out the gate and mow them down.

99.9% chance you kill them all. 100% chance you get to watch them all scatter like chickens and run off in the dust, including the queen in her skirt. No way the dragon saves them in time, and if he tries he has to come in low, in range, in broad daylight, in an open field, right in the center of their crossbow killing field.

Even if it all goes wrong you only lose 100 dudes.

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clinker03 said:

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Its also impossible for them to think cersi was going to surrender or that she was not going to kill missandre, so what was the point of marching up to the gate before your army even arrives? Of course no way she doesnt kill tyrion either, but thats irrelevant because there is no way she doesnt kill them all.

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I don't think they had any intention of her surrendering. The scene right before it, they made it clear that they were just asking her to surrender so that when Dany killed everyone in King's landing, the survivors knew that she gave Cersei a peaceful option and that death and destruction wasn't their first choice. Argue it all you want, but that's what the show writers were going for.

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Urban Ag said:

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Triggered?

I'm not the one trying to convince people on a message board that something sucks. If I thought it sucked, I wouldn't be watching. I certainly wouldn't be dedicating my time to trying to convince you something you enjoy is terrible. What's the point, really? Everyone gets y'all think the show sucks and you're going to pick apart everything single detail to make that point. I've honestly never seen anything like it.

That seems like a better example of being "triggered".

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chipotle said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Damn..

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yikes. That was like a "pregnant dany gets executed by jon" face.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Can we all agree that the most rightful claim to the throne now belongs to Gendry Baratheon?

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Urban Ag said:

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cbr said:

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I'll put it this way. Even assuming the dragon was out of crossbow range and the passle of idiots was out of bow range, which they visually were not, then just Ride 100 mounted archers out the gate and mow them down.

99.9% chance you kill them all. 100% chance you get to watch them all scatter like chickens and run off in the dust, including the queen in her skirt. No way the dragon saves them in time, and if he tries he has to come in low, in range, in broad daylight, in an open field, right in the center of their crossbow killing field.

Even if it all goes wrong you only lose 100 dudes.

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What is it about the Unsullied that leads you to believe there is a 100% chance they scatter like chickens and run? Surely this happened before and I missed it.

Look, not trying to start another slap fight, but this is kind of my point. Y'all are so wound up about every little detail that you're now coming up with scenarios that are much more ridiculous than anything these writers everyone seems to hate have come up with.

The Unsullied would do one thing. Follow orders. If Grey Worm orders them to dig in and defend their queen, they did in and defend their queen. A phalanx, whatever. There is not one scrap of history in the show or books that indicates they would do anything less. But since GOT sucks now the Unsullied would soil themselves and run. C'mon man.

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Champ Bailey said:

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I can't believe it's wednesday and people are still talking about the physics behind the Scorpion. Some people.

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bearamedic99 said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Can we all agree that the most rightful claim to the throne now belongs to Gendry Baratheon?

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No the Baratheons are thieves

The throne belongs to him/her who is powerful enough to possess it

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jtstanley4621 said:

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The thing that annoys me about plot hand wringing in general is that if the thing you're saying SHOULD have happen did happen, the story would grind to a stop.

If Cersei told her archers to fire at Dany and Drogon, they'd all be dead and there would be no more conflict.

If Dany had circled around with Drogon from behind and torched the ships, there would be no more Euron and Cersei would be crippled.

The reason these things don't happen is because if they did, the story would come to a pretty abrupt halt. And for what it's worth, I didn't like that Rhaegal got sniped. But not because of the logistics of the shot. I didn't like it because it felt incredibly forced and random for the sake of being shocking.

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canadiaggie said:

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cbr said:

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I'll put it this way. Even assuming the dragon was out of crossbow range and the passle of idiots was out of bow range, which they visually were not, then just Ride 100 mounted archers out the gate and mow them down.

99.9% chance you kill them all. 100% chance you get to watch them all scatter like chickens and run off in the dust, including the queen in her skirt. No way the dragon saves them in time, and if he tries he has to come in low, in range, in broad daylight, in an open field, right in the center of their crossbow killing field.

Even if it all goes wrong you only lose 100 dudes.

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Maybe Cersei's plan is to let them gather and defeat them in one swoop? If she killed the entourage here and now, Jon just goes back North, Dorne possibly rebels, and Euron has to take back the Iron Islands. All this in winter. Presumably Cersei's line of credit only runs so deep with the Iron Bank and she can't afford a protracted campaign of trying to reel in the other kingdoms.

Just my internal justification.

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pagerman @ work said:

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clinker03 said:

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Its also impossible for them to think cersi was going to surrender or that she was not going to kill missandre, so what was the point of marching up to the gate before your army even arrives? Of course no way she doesnt kill tyrion either, but thats irrelevant because there is no way she doesnt kill them all.

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I don't think they had any intention of her surrendering. The scene right before it, they made it clear that they were just asking her to surrender so that when Dany killed everyone in King's landing, the survivors knew that she gave Cersei a peaceful option and that death and destruction wasn't their first choice. Argue it all you want, but that's what the show writers were going for.

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And Cersei is playing a similar game, trying to goad Dany into lashing out and doing something stupid in order to frame her not as a liberator but rather more of the same from the Targaryens, partly in order to legitimize her rule. Hence the whole "letting everyone into the Red Keep" thing. She doesn't care about the people of KL, but she is making essentially a PR move.

Doing something like violating a truce in broad daylight does not forward that agenda as

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chipotle said:

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Gendry is nobody unless Dany wins. Maybe that happens, then someone kills the mad dragon queen then a newly legitimized gendry sits on the throne after jon abdicates to warden the north and finally pet his dire wolf.

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double aught said:

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Not to interrupt the arguing, but:

Anyone ever wonder why some character names sound made up while others are normal?

Tyrion, Daenerys, Davos
vs
Jon, Rob, Jaime

I mean, what's up with that?

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Champ Bailey said:

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I can't believe it's wednesday and people are still talking about the physics behind the Scorpion. Some people.

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clinker03 said:

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double aught said:

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Not to interrupt the arguing, but:

Anyone ever wonder why some character names sound made up while others are normal?

Tyrion, Daenerys, Davos
vs
Jon, Rob, Jaime

I mean, what's up with that?

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I know, right? The best one is Harry Strickland - the leader of the Golden Company that we have only seen once. If that isn't the waspiest / stock broker name and so out of place, then I don't know what is.

Sounds like it is short for Harrison Strickland, III.

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wangus12 said:

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chipotle said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Damn..

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yikes. That was like a "pregnant dany gets executed by jon" face.

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Yeah if you watch a lot of the main cast interviews, they certainly seem to all come across as disappointed with how its gonna end when asked about the filming

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