Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Are we buying into the valonqar prophecy? Kind of narrows the choices if so.

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Have they even mentioned it on the show? If so, not nearly as much as TPWIP.

Real question is how does Brienne die? I feel like she has to die to push Jamie over the edge. No way he just calmly kills the mother of his child (if she's actually pregnant).

For the record, I do agree that, thematically, or makes seems for Jaime to kill Cersei. But examine the context around him leaving.

He finds out that Dany suffered a major blow and is likely to retaliate by using the dragons on the city. Sansa even implies it when she says "guess I won't have the chance to see her executed" (paraphrase).

Then he gives that "hateful" speech to Brienne. That didn't look like a man that was trying to make a break, similar to throwing rocks at your dire wolf so it runs away before it can be caught and killed. It was a man that suddenly realized the woman he's loves his whole life is in real danger.

Again, the scene presented does not suggest he is going to help kill her. He may still do it, and this was all misdirection.

Nope, but D&D have said they've spoken with GRRM and know the major broad strokes of how it ends. I figure they have to have the same end for Cersei.

I just watched the scene again. Brienne literally says "they are going to destroy that city. you can't save her, you'll die, too." Brienne certainly thinks he's going to try and save Cersei, and I believe 100% that is what the show was trying to convey.

If they go that route I'd rather see that half crazed, teary-eyed bemusement she had after boning Euron the first time.

I agree with your questioning of why was he fine with it before hand. My guess is he thought something like they'll have the greater force, she'll be forced to surrender and Tyrion will keep everyone from killing her. But when he thinks the dany will unleash the dragon on the city, that's more serious and harder to escape.

All my opinion, of course, by nothing else makes sense in the context of the scenes to me.

In regards to the coffee cup (can skip the last 30 secs or so)

Nothing to add about the conversation of the show, just looking over the posts and seeing all my typos. Friggin Swype is such a POS.

Well, I assume that's leaked info so not looking.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Well, I assume that's leaked info so not looking.

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No..... I mean i know no spoilers but there is no way that's a spoiler. being facetious..... i hope.

That would be awesome to tie in. Over/under on chickens consumed considering Hotpie likes to talk?

On a side note, they should have an easy time walking into the Red Keep since Cersei is leaving the gates open for the human shields.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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For like the 110th time.

Bran cannot deterministically see the future - meaning he cannot choose what he sees in the future unlike the past.

He has both the 3ER ability to see ALL past and current things and also what's called Greenseeing in which he sees sometimes future events but they come to him in dreams and sometimes they are more like prophetic visions not literal future events necessarily. But the primary difference is he does not choose what he sees in the future.

He quite literally said at the end of S7 he sees everything in the past and things that are happening currently. No mention of the future. I believe he was saying thats his 3ER powers and does not include the past. He had the greenseeing ability (like Jojen) long before he became the 3ER. And warging too.

For example he has see things - like the Sept blowing up, the NK at WF, and a dragon flying over KL - but he only knows those visions he does not know the entire context and cannot just go and conjure up the entire story. He sees fragments and has to interpret them. He may not even know when they occur.

At least at this point in time that's what we know of his powers. It would wreck a lot of things if he knew the future in detail.

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So you don't think he knew to give Arya the knife in the exact spot she would kill the Night King?

I think he can guess well enough. He's basically a supercomputer. Think about how well google can predict stuff, and they don't have a real detailed history about you until the 00's. Bran can literally see the entire kingdoms entire life history, and I don't know how much is the green seer, but I think he is definitely more aware of how things could and will play out than anyone else.

That doesn't really excuse not scouting the existing enemy forces. They've dropped the ball on Bran's story since the Aegon thing. So powerful, yet so useless.

Joseph Parrish said:

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That doesn't really excuse not scouting the existing enemy forces. They've dropped the ball on Bran's story since the Aegon thing. So powerful, yet so useless.

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Dragonstone is right next to King's Landing. By the time Euron would have heard the fleet was on its way, and decided to surprise her, the only way Bran could have contacted them was a raven. Euron doesn't seem like the kind of guy that plans these things out that far in advance, he seems more likely to be the guy who hears the news and jumps in the boat.

Or, a more likely scenario is that Bran doesn't give a **** about who sits on the throne, his family, or anything but sitting in the corner awkwardly.

Champ Bailey said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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For like the 110th time.

Bran cannot deterministically see the future - meaning he cannot choose what he sees in the future unlike the past.

He has both the 3ER ability to see ALL past and current things and also what's called Greenseeing in which he sees sometimes future events but they come to him in dreams and sometimes they are more like prophetic visions not literal future events necessarily. But the primary difference is he does not choose what he sees in the future.

He quite literally said at the end of S7 he sees everything in the past and things that are happening currently. No mention of the future. I believe he was saying thats his 3ER powers and does not include the past. He had the greenseeing ability (like Jojen) long before he became the 3ER. And warging too.

For example he has see things - like the Sept blowing up, the NK at WF, and a dragon flying over KL - but he only knows those visions he does not know the entire context and cannot just go and conjure up the entire story. He sees fragments and has to interpret them. He may not even know when they occur.

At least at this point in time that's what we know of his powers. It would wreck a lot of things if he knew the future in detail.

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So you don't think he knew to give Arya the knife in the exact spot she would kill the Night King?

I think he can guess well enough. He's basically a supercomputer. Think about how well google can predict stuff, and they don't have a real detailed history about you until the 00's. Bran can literally see the entire kingdoms entire life history, and I don't know how much is the green seer, but I think he is definitely more aware of how things could and will play out than anyone else.

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No.. ... but I do see why people think that - I think it's nothing more than prophetic writing for the purpose of drama and it's quite easy to do - the writers definitely see the future.

I mean if he did know why wouldn't he just say... hey Arya come back here on the night of the battle and kill the NK ok that's the plan and it works I've seen it. I mean make sure you wait until 75% of our people are killed....but don't wait for Melisandre to tell you in some cryptic way.....and don't be so far from here you know.....just go ahead and do it. Trust me.

I get it - telling her might change things. But also not telling anyone got lots of people killed.

This is where the can of worms gets opened up if he can see the future.

So he saw Rickon dying and was fine with it. If he could see the future why not tell Jon wait for the Army of the Vale and Rickon is gonna die anyway.

Or hey Dany.... Euron's gonna sneak attack and kill your dragon right outside Dragonstone... nah let 'em go it's fine.


Bran's under that tree all the time - partly because it's a weirwood tree and it's how he sees some things happening currently. I think he gave Arya the knife because what's a cripple or the 3ER gonna do with a knife. Arya has much more use for it.


And I don't think the writers (GRRM or the show) want him to have that responsibility either. So conveniently maybe he sees the future in visions only.


I could be wrong though - he could be a giant dick in addition to being a horrible bore - and he nows all and is just letting it play out. But I won't believe that's the case unless they show us a deterministic ability to see the future.

Joseph Parrish said:

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That doesn't really excuse not scouting the existing enemy forces. They've dropped the ball on Bran's story since the Aegon thing. So powerful, yet so useless.

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It wasn't related to the discussion of scouting the enemy. Different discussions.