WestAustinAg said:

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I feel like most complainers aren't really comparing the quality or realism of this season to prior seasons in a honest way. There have always been moments in the seasons that were far less realistic and even more wtf than this season. There were many scenes and plot lines and motivations that never made any sense. But we overlooked it because we had fewer expectations of the way it should go. I mean for 5+ seasons all good people died and all bad people prospered. That's the most unrealistic plot device ever created.

Maybe it's just disappointment that the series is coming to a close and those that are unhappy just really want the show to end the way they want the show to end.

Too many of you keep trying to rewrite the final episode storylines to align with the generally most common, read easily predictable plot, sort of like most Hollywood movies do now.

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Wow so Grey worm is not gonna date Missandei anymore just because someone cut off a part of her? What a ****ing hypocrite.

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When your daughter couldn't keep a secret for a day that you kept for 18 years until the day you died.

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Wow so Grey worm is not gonna date Missandei anymore just because someone cut off a part of her? What a ****ing hypocrite.

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That is too soon to criticize. There is plenty that Grey Worm could still do with her. Just ask Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Maybe it's just disappointment that the series is coming to a close and those that are unhappy just really want the show to end the way they want the show to end.

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You and others keep hammering this drum and it couldn't be further from the truth.

It can end 800 different ways for all I care. Just tell a good and well-written story while doing it.

i think the other point is that an episode like this--with some plot holes and a bit slow-would have been fine in the middle of season 7 when we still had 10 more episodes. but we're running out of time and with only two episodes till the damn thing ends, folks get even madder when it's not as good as they hoped it would be.

gonna rewatch it tonight and i have the feeling ill appreciate it more

also i cant help but feel bad for drogon. his two brothers are dead and mom keeps making him fight. can only imagine him waking up being like mom cut this **** out. im tired.

Sansa has no business being the head of anything. Sure, she's had some life experiences, but she's still a little spoiled brat that lets her emotions make her decisions. Little lady Mormont - THAT was a woman to sit upon a thrown. I hate that she kicked the biscuit down the road. :/

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It can end 800 different ways for all I care. Just tell a good and well-written story while doing it.

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yes, but please tell it the way i want it to be told otherwise i will hate your show forever

I purposely didn't read this thread last night as I kind of gave up on it over the weekend as all the constant beeeotching just wore me out.

EP4 was absolutely awesome. My favorite part......for all of you that have incessantly complained about how bubblegum panning to the fans that GOT has become, they completely and totally built upon last episode and ripped the rug out from under you. HAR! /Tormund

Was it not obvious that so many characters survived the BoW so they could wreck shop on your emotions over the final three episodes? I hated that Rhaegal seemingly died so casually but no one saw that coming. Executing Missandei was out of left field and will drive Grey Worm to beserker status and probably was the last straw to Dany going mad Queen. Tyrion found his balls, Varys found um, uh, backbone. The masterminds reengage for the final stretch. Arya turning down Gendry was cold but predictable but it's not over. Don't write that one off. I called the Jamie/Brienne hookup years ago. And......I don't think we've seen the last Tormund. And Brienne and Jamie will meet again before he dies.

This episode was f'ing awesome.

My takes:

Jamie doesn't feel he is worthy of Brienne and panicked. He's going back to KL to fulfill his destiny to end Cersei, not to be with her again.

Dany is going Mad Queen but won't actually go through with it.

No idea where they are taking Jon's arc at this point but given how awesome this episode was I have faith they have a fitting ending for him.

As many predicted, Dany would find new allies (Dorne's new prince/army) and more Unsullied and Dothraki survived than it appeared (shocker - sarcasm). I think this is why Rhaegal was killed off so abruptly. Dany back on the upswing then boom, skewered dragon. By the way I hate seeing the dragons die.

Euron is likely going to die screaming soon. And Euron will flip on Cersei if he thinks she'll lose.

Time to eat my crow. Clegane Bowl is on. No question. I blew that call. Happy to admit as it is part and parcel to this season getting dumped on its head which I love.

Dislikes = few

Ghost. See ya boy, it's been a good ride. F that. Why? That was terrible.

Bronn. My wife and I literally looked at each other at the end of that scene and said "that was just stupid". Hey, I'll kill you lads if you don't promise me Highgarden. Ok, you can have Highgarden. Great, later. So if Dany/Jon wins we're giving one of the best castle's in the realm to this ******* who threatened to kill us and now is on the losing side of the war and will be begging us not to feed him to Drogon? ok. dumb.

Great episode.

Anyone defending this last episode has to be a casual viewer who doesn't really know what's going on. The writing is so bad. Reddit's ASOIAF and Gameofthrones boards both think it was a disaster. I'm so disappointed.

Why?

No discussion of the night king, how Arya got to him, what they wanted, nothing. They mourn the minor characters for twenty minutes and then....

PARTY WITH A STARBUCKS CUP IN THE SCENE!!!! HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

Then Daenerys really wants her throne still. Asks Aegon to hide his identity. Selfish. Stupid. Petty in the big scheme of things.

Jamie being a changed man then all of a sudden deciding to leave makes no sense.

Not showing Arya and Sansa's reaction to finding out about Aegon is unforgivable. Sansa was awful to Jon as kids, maybe even an apology would have been nice.

The single, dumbest, most infuriating part of the episode? TYRION AGAIN LOOKS STUPID. Once again he fails trying to outwit Cersei. When was the last time Tyrion was smart?

Daenerys will die unless Jon dies for her in Ned Stark fashion. I have a feeling he will when he left ghost behind.

Sansa is really no different than Dany.

Both are greedy. Both want their way no matter what. Both refuse to see big picture in anything. Both are ruled by emotion.

Good Lord of Light! Now that Gendry has been legitimized, Jon doesn't want the Iron Throne, Dany is likely going to die or leave Westeros, and Sansa wants to stay in the 'Noth...Gendry taking the Iron Throne as the third party candidate being advised by Davos doesn't sound nearly as forkin stupid as it did just a few weeks ago.

Joffrey is looking up from hell and laughing his ass off.

i dont think tyrion looked stupid. overly emotional sure, but not stupid.

he knew it was inevitable and he likely knows that dany, in her current state, will lose. he was trying to appeal to cersei's emotion. dont think he got outwitted, he's just showing his idealism which might be off character for him, but i think the time for outwitting someone is gone.

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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Sansa is really no different than Dany.

Both are greedy. Both want their way no matter what. Both refuse to see big picture in anything. Both are ruled by emotion.

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I disagree here. Sansa doesn't seem to be all that greedy. She seems perfectly content for the north to keep to itself if Dany or Jon would let it. And she does see the big picture. She was the one organizing the food and whatnot for the armies at Winterfell and she's the one who thinks they should rest up and regroup before marching south.

I don't think she's any more emotional than anyone else on the show except in the sense that she doesn't want her people wiped out.

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Sansa is really no different than Dany.

Both are greedy. Both want their way no matter what. Both refuse to see big picture in anything. Both are ruled by emotion.

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Wrong.

Sansa learned how to play the game. Daenerys just expects everyone to bend to her will.

Couldn't be more different.

Dude, I have read every book at least twice, a couple three times, and seen every episode at least twice.

The book and the series have always been about the Game of Thrones. Always. 90% GOT, 10% The WW/Prophecy/etc. Dany's entire arc has always been to take the Iron Throne. The NK was a quick detour.

If you don't like it, that's fine. I don't think it has been done perfectly either. But the show writers simply can't replicate GRRM's mind. They can't.

Get over it. Last night was pure awesome.

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Was it not obvious that so many characters survived the BoW so they could wreck shop on your emotions over the final three episodes? I hated that Rhaegal seemingly died so casually but no one saw that coming.

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love how these goalposts have shifted.

We were told Ep2 was the way it was because it'd be the last time we'd see so many of these characters on screen together so it was super duper important to draw every character in and give everyone a moment on screen with old pals. Then there were pick em contests of who lives and dies. Once no major characters died after the BoW and there are still so many conveniently alive, we're now justifying it because they want to 'wreck shop on our emotions over the final 3 episodes.'

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The complaining about complainers is getting old.

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Now we're on to complaining about the complaining about the complaining?

Told by who? Did the show writers state that Ep2 was a sendoff episode?

I can pull up my prediction death pool that MuckRacker is tracking. I was off net 4 character deaths for BoW and none of them were majors.

Still don't understand the notion that "everyone has to die" to make this worthwhile or the notion that because you survived the BoW you wouldn't die later.

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Dude, I have read every book at least twice, a couple three times, and seen every episode at least twice.

The book and the series have always been about the Game of Thrones. Always. 90% GOT, 10% The WW/Prophecy/etc. Dany's entire arc has always been to take the Iron Throne. The NK was a quick detour.

If you don't like it, that's fine. I don't think it has been done perfectly either. But the show writers simply can't replicate GRRM's mind. They can't.

Get over it. Last night was pure awesome.

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Hell, even GRRM himself apparently can't replicate the mind that wrote the books, otherwise we'd have another 2 books, and quality source material for the show writers to take from

Does anyone really think HBO and their team thought they'd be finishing a story that hasn't seen new source material since season 1?

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Anyone defending this last episode has to be a casual viewer who doesn't really know what's going on. The writing is so bad. Reddit's ASOIAF and Gameofthrones boards both think it was a disaster. I'm so disappointed.

Why?

No discussion of the night king, how Arya got to him, what they wanted, nothing. They mourn the minor characters for twenty minutes and then....

PARTY WITH A STARBUCKS CUP IN THE SCENE!!!! HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

Then Daenerys really wants her throne still. Asks Aegon to hide his identity. Selfish. Stupid. Petty in the big scheme of things.

Jamie being a changed man then all of a sudden deciding to leave makes no sense.

Not showing Arya and Sansa's reaction to finding out about Aegon is unforgivable. Sansa was awful to Jon as kids, maybe even an apology would have been nice.

The single, dumbest, most infuriating part of the episode? TYRION AGAIN LOOKS STUPID. Once again he fails trying to outwit Cersei. When was the last time Tyrion was smart?

Daenerys will die unless Jon dies for her in Ned Stark fashion. I have a feeling he will when he left ghost behind.

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the NK and his whole army are defeated...done and finished...what is there to talk about when there is still a battle to be fought? do you want them to sit down and do a sidebar camera interview like in The Office and explain everything second by second to you? good grief

mistakes like this have happened on basically every show...WGAS

Jamie decided to leave because he realized that he could not be at peace until he destroyed Cersei and atoned for all the sins he committed in her name...thats why he left...because he HAS changed...him staying behind is what would have made no sense

I dont think their reaction is as big of a deal as people make it out to be....it actually is kind of inconsequential in the greater scheme of things

I think Tyrion looked brilliant executing the strategy they had discussed prior...he knew full well that Missandei was a goner, but by giving Cersei a chance, he exposed her as the monster she truly is. he pantsed her hard in that scene and i suspect that it will cost her on loyalty big time from a few parties before its all said and done

This episode was classic GOT. Loved it. I think Tyrion is going to end up killing Varys, or Vice versa.