If you have a disagreement with people on Twitter, Binge Mode, etc. then take it up with them. From what I can tell, everybody here thinks more main characters should have died. You are arguing against nobody.M.C. Swag said:I'm not going back and linking to comments but many people have and it's been a topic of discussion on Twitter, Binge Mode, etc.aTmAg said:Who said that? I think I've read every post since it aired, and I can't think of anybody saying that.M.C. Swag said:lol serious? it's been mentioned dozens of timesaTmAg said:
I don't think anybody is arguing that enough good guys died. At least from what I can tell.
I don't know about "easily." He's proven to be hard to kill already. And what is dead may never die, you know.JJxvi said:Is she not going to allow anyone she does know within 100 feet of anybody else? She would have to isolate herself totally. Arya could kill Euron easily, a wildcard who shes ****ing and doesnt know well, and assume his identity. Arya can be anybody, even people Cersei already knows.aTmAg said:Assuming that Arya can only grab the faces of dead people (argument on that has already taken place), killing Cersie would not be very easy. The Mountain is always with her (and is probably practically impossible for her to kill). And I assume the word is out by now that Arya can do this (after she outed herself to the Frey woman). Cersie is not going to let anybody she doesn't know within a 100 feet of her.JJxvi said:Arya clearly should have died for there to be any reasonable continuing conflict, but Im sure all the characters will conveniently forget shes capable of doing this and never try.gigemJTH12 said:
Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.
Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.
If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.
It has to be a different killer this time.
NukeAg10 said:
You mean besides the fact that a valeryian steel blade is what killed the NK? I know, pretty insignificant.
If you remember from the faceless season, you can't just kill somebody and take their face within 2 seconds and go kill their best friend. There is a process involved in taking a face. If somebody went missing for a couple days without explanation, she might catch on.JJxvi said:Is she not going to allow anyone she does know within 100 feet of anybody else? She would have to isolate herself totally. Arya could kill Euron easily, a wildcard who shes ****ing and doesnt know well, and assume his identity. Arya can be anybody, even people Cersei already knows.aTmAg said:Assuming that Arya can only grab the faces of dead people (argument on that has already taken place), killing Cersie would not be very easy. The Mountain is always with her (and is probably practically impossible for her to kill). And I assume the word is out by now that Arya can do this (after she outed herself to the Frey woman). Cersie is not going to let anybody she doesn't know within a 100 feet of her.JJxvi said:Arya clearly should have died for there to be any reasonable continuing conflict, but Im sure all the characters will conveniently forget shes capable of doing this and never try.gigemJTH12 said:
Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.
Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.
If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.
It has to be a different killer this time.
I was just picking the name of someone we know Cersei is interacting with currently. It could be Qyburn, or any of other number of advisors who could suddenly stab her without warning at the next planning meeting.G Martin 87 said:I don't know about "easily." He's proven to be hard to kill already. And what is dead may never die, you know.JJxvi said:Is she not going to allow anyone she does know within 100 feet of anybody else? She would have to isolate herself totally. Arya could kill Euron easily, a wildcard who shes ****ing and doesnt know well, and assume his identity. Arya can be anybody, even people Cersei already knows.aTmAg said:Assuming that Arya can only grab the faces of dead people (argument on that has already taken place), killing Cersie would not be very easy. The Mountain is always with her (and is probably practically impossible for her to kill). And I assume the word is out by now that Arya can do this (after she outed herself to the Frey woman). Cersie is not going to let anybody she doesn't know within a 100 feet of her.JJxvi said:Arya clearly should have died for there to be any reasonable continuing conflict, but Im sure all the characters will conveniently forget shes capable of doing this and never try.gigemJTH12 said:
Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.
Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.
If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.
It has to be a different killer this time.
Agnzona said:NukeAg10 said:
You mean besides the fact that a valeryian steel blade is what killed the NK? I know, pretty insignificant.
That was always a given. I'm talking about in the general battle.
bobinator said:
Arya having to take the face of someone Cersei trusts to kill her is operating under the assumption that Arya plans to survive the encounter. I don't see any reason why she wouldn't be able to Leroy Jenkins her way to Cersei at this point.
That's fine. I'm just saying you are wasting your time arguing something that everybody already agrees with.M.C. Swag said:
You know what, never mind. I was just trying to explain a weakness of the episode.
I don't think so. They've mentioned the seasons before on the show. Winter comes even during times that aren't invasions from beyond the wall.Episode IV said:
Bonus - a question:
** With the NK gone and his army & magic overcome, will Winter end? Will the realm return to summer? Will it go back to normal annual seasons? I think Cersei will be tipped off that the North & Danaerys won the battle win the snow melts and the lands around KL go back to warm and sunny; so she's definitely prepared. Will we see the snow melting in the next episode as the Northern United Army licks its wounds, heals, and makes plans for the attack on KL?
JJxvi said:Arya clearly should have died for there to be any reasonable continuing conflict, but Im sure all the characters will conveniently forget shes capable of doing this and never try.gigemJTH12 said:
Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.
Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.
If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.
It has to be a different killer this time.
Champ Bailey said:Furlock Bones said:
did they show Arya alive after she killed the NK? i don't remember. could she still be dead or dying since he touched her? they gave her the NK king kill, but the way it feels now is that she could kill Cersei with ease.
That's kind of what I'm wondering. Everything we have seen the NK touch has turned into a WW or a zombie dragon, besides Bran whom he left his mark on. So is Arya screwed? Or does the fact that he was just reacting change anything?
My issue with that is the whole height thing. Let's say she pretends to be Qyburn. He looks to be a foot or more taller than her. So does she walk around like a short version of Qyburn that everybody can spot 10 miles away? Let's say the magic somehow allows her to grow to his size and be completely indistinguishable. Now what happens if she goes after Cersei with a knife and the Mountain kills her? If they pull of the Qyburn face to reveal a shorter Arya? Does she suddenly shrink like the Incredible Hulk turning back into David Banner? Seems like all of these possibilities go way off the lame scale.CoachRTM said:
There's no way they have Arya kill both the Night King and Cersei.
Also, Cersei is going to get at least one big "win" before she's taken down - the show will at least put the good guys winning in doubt at some point. I do like the theory of Cersei/ Mountain killing somebody and then revealing it was Arya trying to assassinate her. The internet would explode.
I just assume it's "magic" that putting on the face makes her appear and sound exactly like the person who's face she's wearing. Height, weight, whatever.aTmAg said:My issue with that is the whole height thing. Let's say she pretends to be Qyburn. He looks to be a foot or more taller than her. So does she walk around like a short version of Qyburn that everybody can spot 10 miles away? Let's say the magic somehow allows her to grow to his size and be completely indistinguishable. Now what happens if she goes after Cersei with a knife and the Mountain kills her? If they pull of the Qyburn face to reveal a shorter Arya? Does she suddenly shrink like the Incredible Hulk turning back into David Banner? Seems like all of these possibilities go way off the lame scale.CoachRTM said:
There's no way they have Arya kill both the Night King and Cersei.
Also, Cersei is going to get at least one big "win" before she's taken down - the show will at least put the good guys winning in doubt at some point. I do like the theory of Cersei/ Mountain killing somebody and then revealing it was Arya trying to assassinate her. The internet would explode.
If I were them, I would make it a face + voice thing only. That would limit who she could imitate and make them have to go after Cersei in a more conventional way (with fire breathing dragons for example). At best Arya could be an effective spy to get info for Jon and Dany.
It would be a plot hole that nobody could get over. If you think Dany flying a dragon across the continent at mach 3 is bad, wait until they show a 6 foot tall man get killed, then the next shot it's a short girl wearing smaller clothing, shoes, etc.bobinator said:
You're worried about Arya being the right size after she's dead? Who cares? They'd only need to show her face.
So you want the showdown that they have openly teased in the series before to be short and anticlimactic just to spite the fans?MuckRaker96 said:
I'm so sick of hearing about "Cleganebowl." Would love the producers have the two of them square off and the Mountain cuts the Hound in half in the first 2 seconds.
If I were writing this, I would assume the face only applies to face and voice. And I would limit Arya's superpowers for the fight against Cersie. Just to make sure it doesn't become lame.CoachRTM said:I just assume it's "magic" that putting on the face makes her appear and sound exactly like the person who's face she's wearing. Height, weight, whatever.aTmAg said:My issue with that is the whole height thing. Let's say she pretends to be Qyburn. He looks to be a foot or more taller than her. So does she walk around like a short version of Qyburn that everybody can spot 10 miles away? Let's say the magic somehow allows her to grow to his size and be completely indistinguishable. Now what happens if she goes after Cersei with a knife and the Mountain kills her? If they pull of the Qyburn face to reveal a shorter Arya? Does she suddenly shrink like the Incredible Hulk turning back into David Banner? Seems like all of these possibilities go way off the lame scale.CoachRTM said:
There's no way they have Arya kill both the Night King and Cersei.
Also, Cersei is going to get at least one big "win" before she's taken down - the show will at least put the good guys winning in doubt at some point. I do like the theory of Cersei/ Mountain killing somebody and then revealing it was Arya trying to assassinate her. The internet would explode.
If I were them, I would make it a face + voice thing only. That would limit who she could imitate and make them have to go after Cersei in a more conventional way (with fire breathing dragons for example). At best Arya could be an effective spy to get info for Jon and Dany.
We're talking about a show with dragons, magic fire witches, direwolves, dead people being brought back to life.... at some point you just enjoy the show and ignore the "magic" and what questions it might raise.
Well they've definitely let Sansa and her become way over confident in their abilities. They both think they are better than everyone else in every decision.Farmer1906 said:Arya needs to be killed.gigemJTH12 said:
Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.
Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.
If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.
It has to be a different killer this time.
If she can sneak into the little drum circle without any WW noticing and kill the NK, she should have no problem disguising as a house servant to get into the Red Keep.gigemJTH12 said:bobinator said:
Arya having to take the face of someone Cersei trusts to kill her is operating under the assumption that Arya plans to survive the encounter. I don't see any reason why she wouldn't be able to Leroy Jenkins her way to Cersei at this point.
Really? 20,000 mercenaries, a huge fortress, and the Mountain is why
