wangus12 said:Jon has to catch the NK before he kills everyone. There's no time to save Sam and he knows it by the look on his face.Quote:
5. jon leaving sam to die because, "meh, he's almost died a bunch today already, he'll be ok"
No. That would have been a good ploy if pursued correctly, but the Starks are country bumpkins with no finesse for playing The Game. They are so busy protecting the Good Name of House Stark, that one by one they follow their honorable identities into the sharp end of someone else's weapon. Jon survives because he isn't a real Stark. Arya thrives because of the most important lesson she learns -- "A girl is not Arya Stark. A girl has no name".HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:
Do you think Ned would have tried to put AeJon on the throne after Robert was killed, had LF not betrayed him? I'm curious what his plan was before everything went to **** and he lost his head. Would he have considered AeJon his trump card so to speak?
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I HATE what they did to Sam this episode. His entire character arc was from that of a sniveling, whimpering, coward to someone who would face a gang of rapers, monsters, or even incurable disease to save someone. He was never going to be a warrior, but he proved himself a HERO already. Where was that Sam?! The one we saw cowering constantly was not the Sam the show had been building the past 7 years. That was an inexcusable regression.
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Right. The best critique of the overall plan I've read is Champ's. A better strategy would seem to have been to keep everyone inside Winterfell and kill as many wights in the field with catapults, archers, burning trenches, and dragon fire. Battling the dead outside the walls just gave the NK the ability to replenish his army from the North's dead. But then again, the point was to lure the NK out and kill him specifically. A siege doesn't accomplish that.
chipotle said:wangus12 said:Jon has to catch the NK before he kills everyone. There's no time to save Sam and he knows it by the look on his face.Quote:
5. jon leaving sam to die because, "meh, he's almost died a bunch today already, he'll be ok"
I believe the issue had was with Sam's multiple scrapes with death. Despite all this he lives. This is crazy.
The dragons aren't even necessary. Deus Ex Arya can literally face steal her way into Cersei's bedroom and have all this wrapped up within a weekend.Fenrir said:
They have 2 dragons. I'm not sure an army is even necessary.
What would an army accomplish that 2 dragons would be incapable of doing? Seems to me the biggest threat is cersei trying to burn it all to the ground which is just as likely in either scenario.
They are going to have a lot of those big spear SAM sites. The dragons are going to be in a lot of danger this time around.Fenrir said:
They have 2 dragons. I'm not sure an army is even necessary.
What would an army accomplish that 2 dragons would be incapable of doing? Seems to me the biggest threat is cersei trying to burn it all to the ground which is just as likely in either scenario.
DSAg44 said:
why didn't they use wild fire?
I don't know that they knew how to make it, nor did they have time.DSAg44 said:
why didn't they use wild fire?
Didn't even show up in the battle at all. Shown in the pregame tailgate, then ignored.The Dog Lord said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
Ghost sighting!
Probably just a reminder that he exists so they can ****ing kill him next week.
Yeah, I don't get the fawning over her. She is the most unrealistic character on the show. In reality, she'd be told to shut up and get to the crypts with the rest of the children.C@LAg said:instead we get Lady Plot Armor Mormont. Able to survive getting slammed hard by a giant as well as squeezed. All in the name of fan service to give her a water-cooler moment out.WelchAg said:
Its weird, but I wanted someone really meaningful to die. I wanted to experience that crushing gut punch. Those raw emotions have made this show so successful.
they should have forced cersei to turn it over. that's on tyrion and jamie.Icecream_Ag said:I don't know that they knew how to make it, nor did they have time.DSAg44 said:
why didn't they use wild fire?
FightinTexasAg15 said:
Game of Thrones from the start has been a story of people, politics and "conflicts of the human heart"
your absolute disdain for an 11year old is scaryC@LAg said:instead we get Lady Plot Armor Mormont. Able to survive getting slammed hard by a giant as well as squeezed. All in the name of fan service to give her a water-cooler moment out.WelchAg said:
Its weird, but I wanted someone really meaningful to die. I wanted to experience that crushing gut punch. Those raw emotions have made this show so successful.
Yeah, you can't go back to that well too often. They suprised us this time. Doing it again would be eye rolling.Belton Ag said:
I could be wrong but I have my doubts that they're going to have Arya kill Cersei and essentially repeat her act with the Night King. I think there will be something or someone that stops Arya, perhaps resulting in Arya's death.
If Arya kills Cersei it will have been laid out by GRRM and I don't see it.
I think we get another running scene like when the waif was after her, probably running from the mountain, while Jon fights euron and Jamie kills cersieBelton Ag said:
I could be wrong but I have my doubts that they're going to have Arya kill Cersei and essentially repeat her act with the Night King. I think there will be something or someone that stops Arya, perhaps resulting in Arya's death.
If Arya kills Cersei it will have been laid out by GRRM and I don't see it.
BowSowy said:The thing that annoys me are how the contrarians almost combative about it. Look at that cock goblin above you being a dick to others because they liked the episode.Vernada said:You know - it's completely possible to dislike this episode AND still think GoT is a terrific series.Nagler said:
Bunch of people trying to prove how hip they are by not liking the episode, we get it, you couldn't done better. Move on. Your constant *****ing is getting old.
Count me in that camp.
Sorry - I was disappointed in a lot of things about this episode. Like I said before, it doesn't hold a candle to some of the great episodes in this series.
cause they don't have anyDSAg44 said:
why didn't they use wild fire?
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Jon was out there thwarting the Night King as often as he could and actually died trying to do so. Melisandre made it abundantly clear that Jon Snow, and Beric, and herself were all brought back for a reason. Beric fulfilled his purpose of saving Arya and died. Melisandre fulfilled her purpose of giving Arya a pep talk and died. What is Jon Snow's purpose? Why is he still alive?
