Pendragon12 said:

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The Wizard of Oz said:

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For me, the episode was visually spectacular, but I feel robbed on the plot line.

I figured that the Night King would have had more depth to him. More agency. I hate that the viewers are educated on the NK's intentions exclusively by one line from Bran in the War Council scene.

I really thought there was more to the NK than Bran's "I'm a living encyclopedia, so he wants to kill me, and then kill everyone else".

And then, Deus Ex Arya inexplicably uses one of the Godswood's invisible Tarzan vines to swing up on the NK? Come on...

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In previous seasons it showed the Children creating the Night King to destroy man. The best way to do that is to destroy the 3ER and then wipe out all men.

If you re-watch the NK death, you can see Bran shift his eyes away from the Night King as if looking at or for something, and the Night King with the curious head tilt. Arya completely disappeared for about 20-30 mins. She was likely hiding and has a history of sneaking up on people. The dead don't seem to be very observant so I don't find this too far fetched.

First viewing I was thinking wtf. Second, I think she either came from a tree above and was able to get the drop on the WWs behind, or used her Faceless Man skills somehow to hide among the dead/WWs.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

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For the Arya kill...how much better would it have been for Arya to have taken Bran's face, and when the NK gets close to him Bran(Arya) gets out of the chair and stabs him? Then real Bran could have been his raven sitting and watching on a tree branch with someone having hid him nearby.

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That works - real Bran inside the hollowed out tree maybe. lol. But the raven in the tree so the NK senses Bran but it's really Arya in the chair.

That would have worked pretty well. Her rising would have been a WTF moment. Then the reveal after the kill.

I like it actually.

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The Dog Lord said:

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bangobango said:

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Alt shift x is adamant that the NK is coming back. I think he is in denial, but I hope he is right. Fight with Cersi is going to feel so stupid, especially if they march down to face her in Kingslanding.

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The NK is done, but it would be hilarious if the "Bran is the NK" theory came true at the very end. The fighting on here would be glorious.

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gigemJTH12 said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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I'm torn, I get that the NK and White Walkers are the "final boss" in the sense of the toughest challenge.

But they also were a very very very small portion of the actual screen time this show had.

7 seasons of the best show of all time and they had maybe an hour and a half total screen time?? I'm sure it's really close to that. Other than Hardhome they were only showed in very small spurts.

So with that being said, the battle against them not being the final battle, and it being against the shows most frequent villlain, Cersei, also makes a whole lot of sense.

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The shark in Jaws had a very small portion of screen time but it was the primary antagonist. Keeping your main villain in the shadow is one of the best mechanisms for building tension, intrigue, and suspense. "Screen time = importance" is a rationalization doesn't sit well with me at all.

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The citizens of Jaws also didn't spend 75 episodes feuding with a neighboring town with the most powerful and nasty ***** in the world leading the way. Bad comparison.

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Fenrir said:

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Pendragon12 said:

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The Wizard of Oz said:

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For me, the episode was visually spectacular, but I feel robbed on the plot line.

I figured that the Night King would have had more depth to him. More agency. I hate that the viewers are educated on the NK's intentions exclusively by one line from Bran in the War Council scene.

I really thought there was more to the NK than Bran's "I'm a living encyclopedia, so he wants to kill me, and then kill everyone else".

And then, Deus Ex Arya inexplicably uses one of the Godswood's invisible Tarzan vines to swing up on the NK? Come on...

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In previous seasons it showed the Children creating the Night King to destroy man. The best way to do that is to destroy the 3ER and then wipe out all men.

If you re-watch the NK death, you can see Bran shift his eyes away from the Night King as if looking at or for something, and the Night King with the curious head tilt. Arya completely disappeared for about 20-30 mins. She was likely hiding and has a history of sneaking up on people. The dead don't seem to be very observant so I don't find this too far fetched.

First viewing I was thinking wtf. Second, I think she either came from a tree above and was able to get the drop on the WWs behind, or used her Faceless Man skills somehow to hide among the dead/WWs.

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Maybe I missed something but why is it important to kill 3ER before destroying the world of men? I know that was stated to be but I don't feel it was sufficiently explained and it's not something that just makes sense on its own IMO.

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Fenrir said:

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Pendragon12 said:

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The Wizard of Oz said:

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For me, the episode was visually spectacular, but I feel robbed on the plot line.

I figured that the Night King would have had more depth to him. More agency. I hate that the viewers are educated on the NK's intentions exclusively by one line from Bran in the War Council scene.

I really thought there was more to the NK than Bran's "I'm a living encyclopedia, so he wants to kill me, and then kill everyone else".

And then, Deus Ex Arya inexplicably uses one of the Godswood's invisible Tarzan vines to swing up on the NK? Come on...

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In previous seasons it showed the Children creating the Night King to destroy man. The best way to do that is to destroy the 3ER and then wipe out all men.

If you re-watch the NK death, you can see Bran shift his eyes away from the Night King as if looking at or for something, and the Night King with the curious head tilt. Arya completely disappeared for about 20-30 mins. She was likely hiding and has a history of sneaking up on people. The dead don't seem to be very observant so I don't find this too far fetched.

First viewing I was thinking wtf. Second, I think she either came from a tree above and was able to get the drop on the WWs behind, or used her Faceless Man skills somehow to hide among the dead/WWs.

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Maybe I missed something but why is it important to kill 3ER before destroying the world of men? I know that was stated to be but I don't feel it was sufficiently explained and it's not something that just makes sense on its own IMO.

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Do I have to be a patreon memeber? It won't let me watch it now.

I'm very curious tho, bc if the Night King comes back, then he is really indestructible and the whole thing is pretty pointless.

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Fenrir said:

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Pendragon12 said:

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The Wizard of Oz said:

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For me, the episode was visually spectacular, but I feel robbed on the plot line.

I figured that the Night King would have had more depth to him. More agency. I hate that the viewers are educated on the NK's intentions exclusively by one line from Bran in the War Council scene.

I really thought there was more to the NK than Bran's "I'm a living encyclopedia, so he wants to kill me, and then kill everyone else".

And then, Deus Ex Arya inexplicably uses one of the Godswood's invisible Tarzan vines to swing up on the NK? Come on...

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In previous seasons it showed the Children creating the Night King to destroy man. The best way to do that is to destroy the 3ER and then wipe out all men.

If you re-watch the NK death, you can see Bran shift his eyes away from the Night King as if looking at or for something, and the Night King with the curious head tilt. Arya completely disappeared for about 20-30 mins. She was likely hiding and has a history of sneaking up on people. The dead don't seem to be very observant so I don't find this too far fetched.

First viewing I was thinking wtf. Second, I think she either came from a tree above and was able to get the drop on the WWs behind, or used her Faceless Man skills somehow to hide among the dead/WWs.

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Maybe I missed something but why is it important to kill 3ER before destroying the world of men? I know that was stated to be but I don't feel it was sufficiently explained and it's not something that just makes sense on its own IMO.

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jtstanley4621 said:

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So here are a few more thoughts:
1.) Pretty much all the Dothraki have got to be dead right? They took the army of the dead head on. Probably got slaughtered.

2.) I think they did a great job illustrating how most hand to hand combat in a battle like that boils down to luck, regardless of your skill as a fighter. Basically everyone got swarmed at one time or another, and they got saved just because someone else could randomly come help. I never thought that it was a convenient bailout, it felt more like "holy **** they were lucky as hell there."

3.) I actually thought that Jon rising up to fight the dragon made sense. Same sort of thing as Theon going after the night king. You're dead either way, may as well take a shot and attack to try and survive. Jon just got lucky as hell that Arya made it there.

4.) Luck was a big theme. That's why I feel okay that the Night King is gone. They survived that by the absolute skin of their teeth. Death was there, all was lost. It wasn't some sort of "I'm more powerful than you" fantasy world-type climax, it was that Arya BARELY got there in time.

5.) I'm still very confused as to why Melisandre seemed to be coming from the north down to Winterfell. Also the whole valar morghulis interaction with Grey Worm. Was that just sort of a greeting in high valayrian, or was that some sort of head nod to the faceless god? Also Melisandre saying what Syrio said to Arya about the god of death.

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Belton Ag said:

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Fenrir said:

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Pendragon12 said:

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The Wizard of Oz said:

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For me, the episode was visually spectacular, but I feel robbed on the plot line.

I figured that the Night King would have had more depth to him. More agency. I hate that the viewers are educated on the NK's intentions exclusively by one line from Bran in the War Council scene.

I really thought there was more to the NK than Bran's "I'm a living encyclopedia, so he wants to kill me, and then kill everyone else".

And then, Deus Ex Arya inexplicably uses one of the Godswood's invisible Tarzan vines to swing up on the NK? Come on...

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In previous seasons it showed the Children creating the Night King to destroy man. The best way to do that is to destroy the 3ER and then wipe out all men.

If you re-watch the NK death, you can see Bran shift his eyes away from the Night King as if looking at or for something, and the Night King with the curious head tilt. Arya completely disappeared for about 20-30 mins. She was likely hiding and has a history of sneaking up on people. The dead don't seem to be very observant so I don't find this too far fetched.

First viewing I was thinking wtf. Second, I think she either came from a tree above and was able to get the drop on the WWs behind, or used her Faceless Man skills somehow to hide among the dead/WWs.

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Maybe I missed something but why is it important to kill 3ER before destroying the world of men? I know that was stated to be but I don't feel it was sufficiently explained and it's not something that just makes sense on its own IMO.

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The 3ER is the repository for all human knowledge. Destroying him would erase humans from existence completely even in memory (complete darkness).

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AustinAg2K said:

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One thing that wasn't clear and I haven't seen talked about. Did Dany burn Jon with Dragon fire when she saved him from the dead after the Night King raised them? I didn't think it was really clear. I felt like she did, but I would have expected the writers to make a bigger deal out of that.

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ChipFTAC01 said:

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Don't think that was wunwun. Wouldn't they have burned his body after BOB?

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AustinAg2K said:

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One thing that wasn't clear and I haven't seen talked about. Did Dany burn Jon with Dragon fire when she saved him from the dead after the Night King raised them? I didn't think it was really clear. I felt like she did, but I would have expected the writers to make a bigger deal out of that.

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