gigemJTH12 said:
Yeah...I think they are just wrong too. I didn't get that vibe at all. They have known each other their whole lives, he saved her from Hitler, and he came back to fight for her when his home is literally the safest place on earth right now.
That's the emotion I saw.
Disagree. Her character has always toed the line between mad king and benevolent ruler, so it's not surprising to see more of the mad king come out when rubber meets the road.gigemJTH12 said:
Interesting take from the guy on Oysters podcast. Not Ross the other guy.
He said he thinks this whole Dany villain thing is a red herring and that she will be loved again by the viewers very soon. He said no way they spent 7 seasons having her free slaves, travel all this way, come help the north, just to be a hated *****. Bc right now I don't think anyone is that big of a fan of her. And most are kinda hoping she dies.
I kind of buy into this. Her downfall has been too hard and too fast. I can for sure see that being a plot diversion just to throw us off, and she redeems herself this week or next.
I'll be honest in saying that I was never a huge fan of Dany, mainly because of how entitled (just think of her list of titles) she can act sometimes. I do think she will end up not being the villian, but I don't really want her to be the Queen either. I know the tale is mainly about Jon and her, but I really hope Jon rules in the end. He is the only one he doesn't seem to lust for power and control.Quote:
He said he thinks this whole Dany villain thing is a red herring and that she will be loved again by the viewers very soon. He said no way they spent 7 seasons having her free slaves, travel all this way, come help the north, just to be a hated *****. Bc right now I don't think anyone is that big of a fan of her. And most are kinda hoping she dies.
Dany's downfall is as long as the seriesgigemJTH12 said:
Interesting take from the guy on Oysters podcast. Not Ross the other guy.
He said he thinks this whole Dany villain thing is a red herring and that she will be loved again by the viewers very soon. He said no way they spent 7 seasons having her free slaves, travel all this way, come help the north, just to be a hated *****. Bc right now I don't think anyone is that big of a fan of her. And most are kinda hoping she dies.
I kind of buy into this. Her downfall has been too hard and too fast. I can for sure see that being a plot diversion just to throw us off, and she redeems herself this week or next.
To what?M.C. Swag said:
Nice link.
MuckRaker96 said:Dany's downfall is as long as the seriesgigemJTH12 said:
Interesting take from the guy on Oysters podcast. Not Ross the other guy.
He said he thinks this whole Dany villain thing is a red herring and that she will be loved again by the viewers very soon. He said no way they spent 7 seasons having her free slaves, travel all this way, come help the north, just to be a hated *****. Bc right now I don't think anyone is that big of a fan of her. And most are kinda hoping she dies.
I kind of buy into this. Her downfall has been too hard and too fast. I can for sure see that being a plot diversion just to throw us off, and she redeems herself this week or next.
How about the time she made a business deal, then didn't actually pay and instead had her dragons burn everyone to a crisp? Sure, the slavers were jerks, but if they had backstabbed her and killed her instead, wouldn't you have cried foul?
If your brother was a huge a-hole, but then you saw your husband was about to kill him, wouldn't you say, ya know, he is family, does he deserve to die by having his face melted off? Can't we just banish him? Nope, I'll watch him burn and make a ha-ha about it.
The Tarlys fought with honor and as commanded on the side opposite Dany. She should have used them as political prisoners. Instead she burned their faces off and turned them into soot. Seems like there was another Targ who liked to burn people alive when they didn't agree with him.
You know she's not a classic villain, but she is a character with an objective that has never changed over time. Sitting on the Iron Throne by any means necessary. You get in her way, she removes you. She's done that since the day she smothered Khal Drogo's mentally dead handsome face and burned that witch alive. All we're seeing now is several really popular characters coming together at loggerheads. Jon wants to do the honorable thing (and get laid), Sansa wants to protect her family and the North, and Dany wants to rule (and get laid) -
Jon's birthright throws a huge monkey wrench in her plan. Although it's still just on the words of the law firm of Fat and Crazy. No way she gives up her right to the throne for love though. That's not who she is.
She was obviously affected by telling Sam she killed his family, and wanted to kill Jaime but didn't when Sansa and Jon expressed their opinions of staying, She has a temper but also trusts her advisers.BowSowy said:Disagree. Her character has always toed the line between mad king and benevolent ruler, so it's not surprising to see more of the mad king come out when rubber meets the road.gigemJTH12 said:
Interesting take from the guy on Oysters podcast. Not Ross the other guy.
He said he thinks this whole Dany villain thing is a red herring and that she will be loved again by the viewers very soon. He said no way they spent 7 seasons having her free slaves, travel all this way, come help the north, just to be a hated *****. Bc right now I don't think anyone is that big of a fan of her. And most are kinda hoping she dies.
I kind of buy into this. Her downfall has been too hard and too fast. I can for sure see that being a plot diversion just to throw us off, and she redeems herself this week or next.
Not to mention the shock factor of thinking you're the last surviving member of your family only to find out someone else has been there the whole time.FIDO95 said:
GRRM has often stated characters are not all good or all evil. They float in the gray are between the two states of being (Still trying to figure out "the good" in Ramsey Bolton?). I don't think the evidence is that Dany is turning into the Mad Queen. Rather, it's to show her fluctuating back and forth between the two.
Furthermore, I've seen the conversation Dany and Jon had in the crypt several times (ok, many and daily). The crack in her voice when she states Jon would have a claim to the throne seems more of shock then anger. In the end, I don't think both survive the wars to come. One will sacrifice themselves for the other and the matter will be moot.
Law Firm of Fat and Crazy. Well done - that is awesome.MuckRaker96 said:Dany's downfall is as long as the seriesgigemJTH12 said:
Interesting take from the guy on Oysters podcast. Not Ross the other guy.
He said he thinks this whole Dany villain thing is a red herring and that she will be loved again by the viewers very soon. He said no way they spent 7 seasons having her free slaves, travel all this way, come help the north, just to be a hated *****. Bc right now I don't think anyone is that big of a fan of her. And most are kinda hoping she dies.
I kind of buy into this. Her downfall has been too hard and too fast. I can for sure see that being a plot diversion just to throw us off, and she redeems herself this week or next.
How about the time she made a business deal, then didn't actually pay and instead had her dragons burn everyone to a crisp? Sure, the slavers were jerks, but if they had backstabbed her and killed her instead, wouldn't you have cried foul?
If your brother was a huge a-hole, but then you saw your husband was about to kill him, wouldn't you say, ya know, he is family, does he deserve to die by having his face melted off? Can't we just banish him? Nope, I'll watch him burn and make a ha-ha about it.
The Tarlys fought with honor and as commanded on the side opposite Dany. She should have used them as political prisoners. Instead she burned their faces off and turned them into soot. Seems like there was another Targ who liked to burn people alive when they didn't agree with him.
You know she's not a classic villain, but she is a character with an objective that has never changed over time. Sitting on the Iron Throne by any means necessary. You get in her way, she removes you. She's done that since the day she smothered Khal Drogo's mentally dead handsome face and burned that witch alive. All we're seeing now is several really popular characters coming together at loggerheads. Jon wants to do the honorable thing (and get laid), Sansa wants to protect her family and the North, and Dany wants to rule (and get laid) -
Jon's birthright throws a huge monkey wrench in her plan. Although it's still just on the words of the law firm of Fat and Crazy. No way she gives up her right to the throne for love though. That's not who she is.
Oh, I like this. Nice.Quote:
I got the sense that Jon was about to tell her he doesn't care about the iron throne, and he would give up his right to her. (Maybe in exchange for the north being free - who knows).
Just as an aside to this, I think Dany had the right to be a little angry and pissed off when Jon told her who he was. Dany had just recently told Sam about killing his dad and brother so obviously he had plenty of reason to lie and try to overthrow her. She also doesn't know Bran at all, other than he is some creeper that is stalking everybody at Winterfell, and its Jon's brother (although not really anymore).Quote:
She was obviously affected by telling Sam she killed his family, and wanted to kill Jaime but didn't when Sansa and Jon expressed their opinions of staying, She has a temper but also trusts her advisers.
shhhhh.....Brian Earl Spilner said:
Howland Reed time.
