clinker03 said:

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The idea around the plan was fine but given the context of what they were trying to accomplish I thought it was foolish. I mean it sounds great - "Let's just go grab one of these things and we can show it to Cersei and she will have no choice but to join us - yay!" It's great in theory but in this show's reality its not that easy. And when they were planning it there wasn't even a hint of a counterargument - everyone was like "sure, this sounds great - let's do it". I felt like the show writers needed to get a dragon in the hands of the Night King and this was the easiest way from them to do that. It felt like lazy writing. Or it could be they were hard pressed for time given they only had a limited amount of episodes to work with so they were speeding things up.

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aTmAg said:

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What should have happened, IMO, is that they send 5 or so dudes to covertly trap a wight and sneak him back, rather than go to war with 100,000 of them. Of course, that doesn't kill a dragon so the writers would need a smarter way to get that figured out.

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Episode IV said:

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aTmAg said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Interesting.

Personally, I don't love the idea of a "magic item" like a horn bringing it down, but then again, as cool as it was to see a dragon bring it down, I didn't love that either.

It essentially made it so that our heroes were the reason they were able to attack Winterfell in the first place. The Wall had stood for generations, and there wasn't any huge reason to think the Wall couldn't stop them this time.

Which is ironic to think about, in hindsight. Tyrion tells her "sometimes doing nothing is the hardest thing to do", when she has to go rescue everyone.

In this case, doing nothing would have meant the death of everyone who ventured beyond the wall, but it also ensured the Army of the Dead would never cross.

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Couldn't they have just gone in through that gate? That seemed like a big weakness. A sort of a flaw in the story, IMO.

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"They" = Army of the Dead?

I don't think so:

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"The Wall's not just ice and stone," Benjen told Bran and Meera. "Ancient spells were carved into its foundation. Strong magic. To protect men from what lies beyond. And while it stands, the dead cannot pass. I cannot pass."

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Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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What should have happened, IMO, is that they send 5 or so dudes to covertly trap a wight and sneak him back, rather than go to war with 100,000 of them. Of course, that doesn't kill a dragon so the writers would need a smarter way to get that figured out.

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The plan WAS to covertly trap one wight. The problem was the execution. They forgot to cover his mouth so he couldn't scream and call all of his buddies.

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Belton Ag said:

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Episode IV said:

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aTmAg said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Interesting.

Personally, I don't love the idea of a "magic item" like a horn bringing it down, but then again, as cool as it was to see a dragon bring it down, I didn't love that either.

It essentially made it so that our heroes were the reason they were able to attack Winterfell in the first place. The Wall had stood for generations, and there wasn't any huge reason to think the Wall couldn't stop them this time.

Which is ironic to think about, in hindsight. Tyrion tells her "sometimes doing nothing is the hardest thing to do", when she has to go rescue everyone.

In this case, doing nothing would have meant the death of everyone who ventured beyond the wall, but it also ensured the Army of the Dead would never cross.

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Couldn't they have just gone in through that gate? That seemed like a big weakness. A sort of a flaw in the story, IMO.

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"They" = Army of the Dead?

I don't think so:

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"The Wall's not just ice and stone," Benjen told Bran and Meera. "Ancient spells were carved into its foundation. Strong magic. To protect men from what lies beyond. And while it stands, the dead cannot pass. I cannot pass."

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It's been rehashed over and over, but it's so odd that in the finale of season 6 Benjen says this to Bran and then in season 7 they bring a Wight south of the wall. I wonder if they'll go back and fill that plot hole or not.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Belton Ag said:

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Episode IV said:

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aTmAg said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Interesting.

Personally, I don't love the idea of a "magic item" like a horn bringing it down, but then again, as cool as it was to see a dragon bring it down, I didn't love that either.

It essentially made it so that our heroes were the reason they were able to attack Winterfell in the first place. The Wall had stood for generations, and there wasn't any huge reason to think the Wall couldn't stop them this time.

Which is ironic to think about, in hindsight. Tyrion tells her "sometimes doing nothing is the hardest thing to do", when she has to go rescue everyone.

In this case, doing nothing would have meant the death of everyone who ventured beyond the wall, but it also ensured the Army of the Dead would never cross.

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Couldn't they have just gone in through that gate? That seemed like a big weakness. A sort of a flaw in the story, IMO.

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"They" = Army of the Dead?

I don't think so:

Quote:

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"The Wall's not just ice and stone," Benjen told Bran and Meera. "Ancient spells were carved into its foundation. Strong magic. To protect men from what lies beyond. And while it stands, the dead cannot pass. I cannot pass."

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It's been rehashed over and over, but it's so odd that in the finale of season 6 Benjen says this to Bran and then in season 7 they bring a Wight south of the wall. I wonder if they'll go back and fill that plot hole or not.

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perhaps they flew it OVER the wall

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Belton Ag said:

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Episode IV said:

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aTmAg said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Interesting.

Personally, I don't love the idea of a "magic item" like a horn bringing it down, but then again, as cool as it was to see a dragon bring it down, I didn't love that either.

It essentially made it so that our heroes were the reason they were able to attack Winterfell in the first place. The Wall had stood for generations, and there wasn't any huge reason to think the Wall couldn't stop them this time.

Which is ironic to think about, in hindsight. Tyrion tells her "sometimes doing nothing is the hardest thing to do", when she has to go rescue everyone.

In this case, doing nothing would have meant the death of everyone who ventured beyond the wall, but it also ensured the Army of the Dead would never cross.

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Couldn't they have just gone in through that gate? That seemed like a big weakness. A sort of a flaw in the story, IMO.

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"They" = Army of the Dead?

I don't think so:

Quote:

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"The Wall's not just ice and stone," Benjen told Bran and Meera. "Ancient spells were carved into its foundation. Strong magic. To protect men from what lies beyond. And while it stands, the dead cannot pass. I cannot pass."

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It's been rehashed over and over, but it's so odd that in the finale of season 6 Benjen says this to Bran and then in season 7 they bring a Wight south of the wall. I wonder if they'll go back and fill that plot hole or not.

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perhaps they flew it OVER the wall

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C@LAg said:

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the weight earlier in the show (season 1?) survived passing through the wall to enter the castle.

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Belton Ag said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Belton Ag said:

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Episode IV said:

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aTmAg said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Interesting.

Personally, I don't love the idea of a "magic item" like a horn bringing it down, but then again, as cool as it was to see a dragon bring it down, I didn't love that either.

It essentially made it so that our heroes were the reason they were able to attack Winterfell in the first place. The Wall had stood for generations, and there wasn't any huge reason to think the Wall couldn't stop them this time.

Which is ironic to think about, in hindsight. Tyrion tells her "sometimes doing nothing is the hardest thing to do", when she has to go rescue everyone.

In this case, doing nothing would have meant the death of everyone who ventured beyond the wall, but it also ensured the Army of the Dead would never cross.

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Couldn't they have just gone in through that gate? That seemed like a big weakness. A sort of a flaw in the story, IMO.

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"They" = Army of the Dead?

I don't think so:

Quote:

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"The Wall's not just ice and stone," Benjen told Bran and Meera. "Ancient spells were carved into its foundation. Strong magic. To protect men from what lies beyond. And while it stands, the dead cannot pass. I cannot pass."

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It's been rehashed over and over, but it's so odd that in the finale of season 6 Benjen says this to Bran and then in season 7 they bring a Wight south of the wall. I wonder if they'll go back and fill that plot hole or not.

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perhaps they flew it OVER the wall

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They did fly it OVER, but, uh, that seems like a rather cheap out.

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C@LAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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The flying over exception would explain why the wall was 5 miles high. Otherwise, it could be one foot tall physically and infinitely tall magically.

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in case you are not being figurative... 700 feet.

but that does merit an explanation. if the wall was magic enough to keep the dead from passing, why did the wall need to be that high. even if something climbed the wall, it should not be able to pass over/through it.

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C@LAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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The flying over exception would explain why the wall was 5 miles high. Otherwise, it could be one foot tall physically and infinitely tall magically.

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in case you are not being figurative... 700 feet.

but that does merit an explanation. if the wall was magic enough to keep the dead from passing, why did the wall need to be that high. even if something climbed the wall, it should not be able to pass over/through it.

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aTmAg said:

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. It's not like spears are radar guided or anything.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I'd hit the major events.

Blackwater, Red Wedding, Purple Wedding, Laws of Gods and Men, Mountain and Viper, Hardhome, Battle of the *******s, and all the finales.

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redline248 said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I'd hit the major events.

Blackwater, Red Wedding, Purple Wedding, Laws of Gods and Men, Mountain and Viper, Hardhome, Battle of the *******s, and all the finales.

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Don't forget cave sex, Dany's first Dracarys, and farewell to Hodor

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