Urban Ag said:
I re-watched the last five minutes 4 or 5 times last night and it seems to me that Arya attacked from above and behind the NK. And Bran, right at the end, seems to be looking above the NK's head. If actually ran by or through the WW there would be no reason for her to leap at him. She had to have been in the tree, or on a rood or ledge.
Maybe she'll actually explain it next episode.
Several times in the last few pages I've posted the quote from Benjen Stark where that's exactly what he says.OldShadeOfBlue said:
I was just making a joke but to dive into your question, the idea that the dead can't go south of the wall is a common misconception probably taken from the books. The show never actually states the rule that the dead can't go south of the wall and it's never even mentioned that the wall is magic.
ditto... business trip and was out 1.5 days and it was 14 pages longer. wow.Brian Earl Spilner said:
In all my time on the Entertainment Board, I don't think I've ever seen a thread grow so fast for such an extended period of time. We must be adding 10+ pages daily.
I've been trying to catch up all week and have failed.
Yeahbobinator said:
Only issue there is like I said they clearly aren't 'napping,' we can see their eyes in that video I posted a few pages back.
And you could be right, we just don't have any evidence of that in the show. The only thing we do have is what Benjen said, and he directly says 'the dead cannot cross' not just that certain dead things cannot cross.
Urban Ag said:
he/she is trolling
The Debt said:Urban Ag said:
I re-watched the last five minutes 4 or 5 times last night and it seems to me that Arya attacked from above and behind the NK. And Bran, right at the end, seems to be looking above the NK's head. If actually ran by or through the WW there would be no reason for her to leap at him. She had to have been in the tree, or on a rood or ledge.
Maybe she'll actually explain it next episode.
Maybe she was on Drogon and he was shaking off all the undead and Arya fell off ontop of the NK.
The Debt said:pete_claw98 said:
The Dothraki charge is what they do. See earlier battle. They charge in and slaughter people. Flaming, dragon glass coated swords should work for awhile.
For incompetence of command, Queen Daenerys is set administrative punishment. 10 lashes.
The behind the scenes of this makes it pretty clear she jumps at him from behind, not from in the tree or anythingUrban Ag said:
I re-watched the last five minutes 4 or 5 times last night and it seems to me that Arya attacked from above and behind the NK. And Bran, right at the end, seems to be looking above the NK's head. If actually ran by or through the WW there would be no reason for her to leap at him. She had to have been in the tree, or on a rood or ledge.
Maybe she'll actually explain it next episode.
bobinator said:
I think the idea here is that the Night King needs more White Walkers to help raise his army, so in exchange for the live babies he wasn't harming Craster. But how exactly they established that relationship would be interesting, haha.
Night King: *stands there menacingly*
Craster: "Well... I'm dead..."
Night King: *still standing there*
Craster: "I'm uh... not dead... want a snack?"
Night King: *still standing there*
Craster: "What about some ale?"
(twenty minutes later)
Craster: "What about a LIVE BABY?"
Night King: *nods*
They show one in the first 10 min. of the pilotOldShadeOfBlue said:They don't show the white walkers until much later in the show.Charlie Conway said:aTmAg said:In Hardhome, the WW don't seem particularly fast (running wise). I can't think of a time that I have ever seen a WW (including the NK) run. So it may not be ridiculous that Arya can run through them from behind before they can react.OldShadeOfBlue said:
At first I thought Arya may have been waiting for the Night King at the Godswood. On my rewatch yesterday I think I found a clear hint that Arya did in fact sneak past the White Walkers. As the Night King is reaching for his sword it shows a close up of a White Walker and you can see something slightly blow his hair by. I think Arya just legit runs through them as they're all facing Bran.
Except in the very first scene of the entire show they are seen running quickly through the woods and moving very fast
"I'm Mary Poppins Y'all"TheDraw said:
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This is the time when the show will reveal what it is ultimately about, and what its ultimate message is - and shifting from the battle between the living and dead to the one between the living and living indicates, at least for now, that Game of Thrones is indeed about the game of thrones. Yet the irony is that this term isn't meant to be glorified. In the books, the phrase is used almost exclusively by Cersei, Littlefinger, and people mocking the elites for how they think about power; in the show, it's a cynical, self-aggrandizing assertion from a villain. As my colleague Riley McAtee has noted, "The [book] series as a whole is called A Song of Ice and Firethe throne itself was never meant to define the entire story," but the show's direction seems to emphasize it nonetheless, while already wrapping the "ice" part of the title.
is that an umbrella to reflect lighting?TheDraw said:
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bobinator said:
This is kind of what I mean though by the writers fumbling a couple of times. It's not that it's too far fetched to make it make sense, they just didn't.
The White Walker's hair moving because Arya ran past him has been mentioned lots of times already! Haven't you read the thread?OldShadeOfBlue said:
At first I thought Arya may have been waiting for the Night King at the Godswood. On my rewatch yesterday I think I found a clear hint that Arya did in fact sneak past the White Walkers. As the Night King is reaching for his sword it shows a close up of a White Walker and you can see something slightly blow his hair by. I think Arya just legit runs through them as they're all facing Bran.
yeah i like those.... i had thought of the Arya thing but felt it was long enough as is... i tried to make her last appearance maybe far enough back that people are now distracted by Jon's coming in and his impending death too. but i get your point.aTmAg said:
I like your changes. I'd change one thing and add one thing:
The change would be to somehow make Arya get stuck or something that makes the audience not expect her to kill the NK. The way you have it, I think people would expect Arya to come flying in at any moment. I'm not sure what that impediment would be...
The addition would be something before your scenario starts. It bothered me how Dani landed her dragon just to get it swarmed by wights. I realize they did it to get her on the ground so that Jorah could die protecting her, but it made no sense for her to do that. What I would have preferred her to land for a legit reason. What I thought up was this:
Make the dragons unable to hover. In reality that is damn hard and takes a lot of energy (which is why humming birds and small insects do it, but not larger birds.. sure as hell not dragons). So maybe have her do a high speed pass that is reasonably close but not too close (and not too helpful). So then have her land, while blasting a landing zone around herself. Then she blasts with accuracy around Jon (because she isn't moving at 150 knots anymore). Jon yells to her to take out the NK, but she tells him that she tried but he doesn't burn. So then he runs off towards the gate and while she was distracted, the wights close in and jump on her dragon and Jon has no idea.
What about this:Zombie Jon Snow said:yeah i like those.... i had thought of the Arya thing but felt it was long enough as is... i tried to make her last appearance maybe far enough back that people are now distracted by Jon's coming in and his impending death too. but i get your point.aTmAg said:
I like your changes. I'd change one thing and add one thing:
The change would be to somehow make Arya get stuck or something that makes the audience not expect her to kill the NK. The way you have it, I think people would expect Arya to come flying in at any moment. I'm not sure what that impediment would be...
The addition would be something before your scenario starts. It bothered me how Dani landed her dragon just to get it swarmed by wights. I realize they did it to get her on the ground so that Jorah could die protecting her, but it made no sense for her to do that. What I would have preferred her to land for a legit reason. What I thought up was this:
Make the dragons unable to hover. In reality that is damn hard and takes a lot of energy (which is why humming birds and small insects do it, but not larger birds.. sure as hell not dragons). So maybe have her do a high speed pass that is reasonably close but not too close (and not too helpful). So then have her land, while blasting a landing zone around herself. Then she blasts with accuracy around Jon (because she isn't moving at 150 knots anymore). Jon yells to her to take out the NK, but she tells him that she tried but he doesn't burn. So then he runs off towards the gate and while she was distracted, the wights close in and jump on her dragon and Jon has no idea.
smokeythebear said:
I definitely think Cersei's baby is a loose end. I wonder if she'll now marry Euron in order to "legitimize" it and we could have another classic GOT deadly wedding.
Also, you have to assume there's some more interesting stuff in those books that Sam stole.
Background on the Mad King is still expected. Presumably, some sort of meddling the 3ER was involved in.
Qyburn definitely has some tricks up his sleeve. He looked at that wight rather inquisitively.
And I still think there has to be some way for the Stark name to continue. Maybe Podrick marries Sansa and their kid is given the Stark name?
bonfarr said:
Daenerys will give Gendry the Barratheon name and he and Arya will rebuild that House.
MW03 said:The Debt said:pete_claw98 said:
The Dothraki charge is what they do. See earlier battle. They charge in and slaughter people. Flaming, dragon glass coated swords should work for awhile.
For incompetence of command, Queen Daenerys is set administrative punishment. 10 lashes.
HOLY CRAP HANK SCHRADER WAS IN STARSHIP TROOPERS
That is the most mind blowing thing in this thread
I still enjoy GOT, but I'm not blind to what it has become.Quote:
This was a show designed to buck the trends. To pierce the tropes and show us something new. But now it has devolved into a gelatinous blob of disappointment and embarrassment. You have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
Render said:I still enjoy GOT, but I'm not blind to what it has become.Quote:
This was a show designed to buck the trends. To pierce the tropes and show us something new. But now it has devolved into a gelatinous blob of disappointment and embarrassment. You have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
I still enjoy GOT, because it has good spectacle, but I am aware that it lacks the great writing of the earlier seasons.
And because it's missing that great writing, the show has missed an opportunity for objective greatness.
Which is regrettable.
So I completely agree with all his points, but I still enjoy the show, albeit on a very superficial level.
And I used to get very upset about such missed opportunities for greatness, but witnessing the total collapse of GOT, ST, LOTR, and SW these past few years has actually been cathartic for me. The death of those beloved franchises hasn't killed me. I actually feel refreshed. I can ramble on to greater places, now.
