MBAR said:

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If the guy who created the characters is OK with the casting, maybe y 'all should reevaluate what makes the character right or wrong. If you want the same damn thing that was done before, just pick up the dvd for the first movie, read a comic, or watch the one of the several animated series.

Heaven forbid someone give a new take on the characters more in line with 2017.

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This is ignorant

it was a good movie overall, but i thought it was middle of the road for marvel.
kinda saw the plot twist coming,
it kinda dragged in the middle for me though.

the Cap PSAs were nails!

SeattleAgJr said:

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so. roots with White People is AOK!

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Next thing you know they'll make a play about Alexander Hamilton with a cast of black actors!

Champ Bailey said:

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I think there are times when the race of the character is important. Like a white guy playing Black Panther would be ridiculous. Or Luke Cage. Or a black guy playing Iron Fist, because of the whole Black/white dynamic the two of those heroes faced as part of their stories.

Flash was always the comic book personification of Biff from back to the future (or perhaps it was the other way around), who then goes off and becomes a super badass in the Military, and then finally Agent Venom. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to think that Marvel made a mistake in casting a guy who doesn't look like the type of guy that would typically become the all-American badass. Not to mention he came off more like a rival who constantly acts like a Dick, instead of a bully.

Although I will say the odds of the kid who was cast name being Flash Thompson are about as likely as Holland being named Sanjay.

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I wasn't too distracted by the actor playing Flash in the movie, but some valid points here. He was miscast and in general characterized wrong in regards to the history and potential future of the character based on the comics storyline of Flash Thompson, and race has nothing to do with that statement.

And I wasn't either. This is probably either my favorite or second favorite Marvel movie. Just my two cents on the matter.

rhutton125 said:

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Flash Thompson only became Agent Venom in recent years, didn't he? Clearly they didn't intend for this character to go down that path, so as long as he's a pr*ck to Peter, it's basically all the same.

Rich d-bag, jock d-bag, big white d-bag, smarmy brown d-bag. I'm not really expecting to see much more of him either way, just like the two prior iterations.

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Well yeah, but the Shocker didn't have to have the yellow sleeves either. And nobody is complaining that he was portrayed by a black guy. Vulture didn't have to have the jacket. People like it when they pay homage to the spirit of the character, and like it or not, Flash was always the stereotypical popular bully.

Also, I like Tony because of some stuff I've seen him do with Screen Junkies, plus I never read Spider Man comics so am not familiar with Flash Thompson at all...

...but I admit it's hard to find this intimidating...

I think the corvette scene was supposed to solidify the whole "Flash is rich and Peter isn't" thing, but that scene was a total throwaway IMO. I literally thought he was just saying hi to his friend at first.

It just felt like everything that happened with the Flash character was just a last minute add on.

I think there is a highschool kid on the Politics board...I would love to get insight from a highs schooler on this.

Gotta agree with that summation....if Flash had simply been Peter's peer on an academic level PLUS the fact that he was a rich d-bag, then they would have successfully achieved the modern-day bully take that this film was attempting to capture. But this version of Flash was absolutely no threat to Peter...he was actually kind of pointless to even have in the movie.

Sorry to derail this Flash thread, but I wonder if Sony is going to rethink their solo villains plans. I wonder if they are going to take characters from Homecoming and put them in with Venom or Black Cat or whoever they decide on.

TajMaballer said:

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Sorry to derail this Flash thread, but I wonder if Sony is going to rethink their solo villains plans. I wonder if they are going to take characters from Homecoming and put them in with Venom or Black Cat or whoever they decide on.

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Now that would be confusing AF.

Spidey vs WW & Gotg2

Opening Weekend
146.5 M GotG V2
117.0 M Homecoming
103.3 M Wonder Woman

Total
385.7 M GotG V2
369.7 M Wonder Woman (a lot better staying power)
129.2 M Homecoming (only 4 days here)

Yeah.......so

Arguably one of the best super hero movies to date IMHO. I would put it equal to the other top Marvel films

Spider-Man Homecoming = Iron Man = Captain America = Winter Soldier = Guardians of the Galaxy = Avengers

Won't try to rank the rest after that. Dark Knight would probably sit just above those.

Definitely the best Spider-Man iteration. Helps me forget Maguire. I did like Garfield's films but not nearly as well done as this.

Loved that they didn't try to retell the origin story.

So well written and well acted by Tom Holland and Michael Keaton. Humor level was awesome and so well done.

Definitely going to try to see this again in theaters. Haven't done that since the first Guardians.

TCTTS - interested to hear your take. Or maybe you should start a non-Flash thread for your review.

Gigem314 said:

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Thought this was a cool tidbit from the film:

Jennifer Connelly is the voice of Karen, aka "Suit Lady". Her real life husband is Paul Bettany, who was the voice of Jarvis...and now Vision.

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That is awesome! Did not know that.

FTACO97 said:

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Yeah.......so

Arguably one of the best super hero movies to date IMHO. I would put it equal to the other top Marvel films

Spider-Man Homecoming = Iron Man = Captain America = Winter Soldier = Guardians of the Galaxy = Avengers

Won't try to rank the rest after that. Dark Knight would probably sit just above those.

Definitely the best Spider-Man iteration. Helps me forget Maguire. I did like Garfield's films but not nearly as well done as this.

Loved that they didn't try to retell the origin story.

So well written and well acted by Tom Holland and Michael Keaton. Humor level was awesome and so well done.

Definitely going to try to see this again in theaters. Haven't done that since the first Guardians.

TCTTS - interested to hear your take. Or maybe you should start a non-Flash thread for your review.

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I think his new thing with these fanboy movies is if he doesn't love it, he doesn't post his thoughts. I don't blame him though. He gets dumped on when he doesn't post glowing reviews.

Gigem314 said:

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Thought this was a cool tidbit from the film:

Jennifer Connelly is the voice of Karen, aka "Suit Lady". Her real life husband is Paul Bettany, who was the voice of Jarvis...and now Vision.

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he definitely outkicked the coverage

FTACO97 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Thought this was a cool tidbit from the film:

Jennifer Connelly is the voice of Karen, aka "Suit Lady". Her real life husband is Paul Bettany, who was the voice of Jarvis...and now Vision.

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That is awesome! Did not know that.

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One of the most beautiful women in Hollywood. Just so stunningly gorgeous.

So glad we got to hear her voice in this movie.....

The whole post is spoilers, so skip if for some reason you haven't seen it yet are reading the discussion/spoilers thread.

We saw it last night, and there were a few things y'all have mentioned that I noticed. But first of all, y'all keep acting like their school doesn't have athletics. What? They have a million dollar turf stadium outside the school and you see the football team practice. They have athletics, and that gives cheerleaders a legitimate purpose. They also talk a lot about a marching band, further evidence of at least having a football team.

As a high school teacher, the biggest bullies on campus are smaller, weaker, and generally dumber. I know, it sounds like the things parents have to say, but the bullying comes in the form of insecurity. Flash using his influence as a DJ to call Peter out makes perfect sense. The thing that irked me is being called "Flash" you'd expect some sort of perceived physical threat, if nothing else faster. The diversity races at the school were good. F-M-K was hilarious, as were the PSAs

So Peter and his buddy didn't in any way try to explain his absence from National competition? No "he was sick" or anything? Just he wasn't there, but when it came time to be picked up, he was with everyone else. Kids are great with excuses, but they didn't even try there.

The world's greatest security bunker had no surveillance? No alarms when forced open or 20 attempts at manual override? I'm all about suspending disbelief, especially in a comic book movie with alien weapons, but that was hard to grasp. That also plays into the previously mentioned compete lack of guards/observation of the move. The plane is under direct attack for a long time before Happy notices anything. Just seemed odd.

I loved the in house scene of Peter realizing and being so awkward. The car conversation did seem a little forced to make the revelation.

The buddy/sidekick was hilarious too. Despite the issues and questions, I really did enjoy the movie, as did my non-Marvel loving wife.

Bruce Almighty said:

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FTACO97 said:

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Yeah.......so

Arguably one of the best super hero movies to date IMHO. I would put it equal to the other top Marvel films

Spider-Man Homecoming = Iron Man = Captain America = Winter Soldier = Guardians of the Galaxy = Avengers

Won't try to rank the rest after that. Dark Knight would probably sit just above those.

Definitely the best Spider-Man iteration. Helps me forget Maguire. I did like Garfield's films but not nearly as well done as this.

Loved that they didn't try to retell the origin story.

So well written and well acted by Tom Holland and Michael Keaton. Humor level was awesome and so well done.

Definitely going to try to see this again in theaters. Haven't done that since the first Guardians.

TCTTS - interested to hear your take. Or maybe you should start a non-Flash thread for your review.

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I think his new thing with these fanboy movies is if he doesn't love it, he doesn't post his thoughts. I don't blame him though. He gets dumped on when he doesn't post glowing reviews.

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Sorry, I just haven't had the time to post - or really even solidify - my thoughts. But yeah, I usually just stay away if I have nothing good to say or don't feel like battling the masses.

But I actually loved the movie for the most part.

I'd say about half an hour in I was convinced it was going to be my new number one over GOTG2, but the second half or so kind of showed some cracks. Still, I'd probably put it in my top five Marvel movies, maybe even top three.

My biggest mistake was peeking in this thread before I saw the movie. I wanted to know what people were thinking and so I just lightly skimmed, trying to avoid any spoilers, but at one point I accidentally read the words "Liz," "twist," and "front door." And so the second Peter and Ned showed up to Liz's massive house for the party, I immediately guessed that she was Toomes' daughter and that Toomes' business had reaped a hefty financial reward. Was so pissed at myself, and it definitely took away some of the surprise of the ending.

Still, overall, it made me miss how truly FUN movies like this can and should be. I loved Tom Holland's performance, I loved the way Tony/the concept of The Avengers were seamlessly integrated, and I was so glad Peter made the decision he did at the end, because I can't wait to hang out with all these characters again in high school for another movie.

Saw it Monday night while out of town for work.

The vulture being Liz's dad surprised me (I'll admit), but I had not read this thread yet.

Liked it for the most part.

GiveEmHellBill said:

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After seeing this, I now have a new favorite secondary character in the Marvel Universe.

I loved this guy. Loved the kid who played him, loved the character and loved all his lines. I can't wait to see more of him in future movies. Hopefully, he makes a cameo in Infinity War.

"I was............watching porn."

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What's interesting about him, for those who aren't comic readers, is that he's at least heavily influenced by Ganke, Miles Morales' best friend in Ultimate Spider-Man. His name is borrowed from an entirely different character, as I think has been mentioned.

GiveEmHellBill said:

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FTACO97 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Thought this was a cool tidbit from the film:

Jennifer Connelly is the voice of Karen, aka "Suit Lady". Her real life husband is Paul Bettany, who was the voice of Jarvis...and now Vision.

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That is awesome! Did not know that.

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One of the most beautiful women in Hollywood. Just so stunningly gorgeous.

So glad we got to hear her voice in this movie.....

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Yep. She was one of my first on-screen crushes when I first saw her in The Rocketeer, another underrated comic book movie.

Thought her voice sounded familiar, then noticed it in the credits. Will definitely be picturing 'Karen' in a different light the next time I see it.