FightinTexasAg15 said:

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Jon Snow burns the wight's hand

Jon Snow burned his hand previously and is a Targaryen.

Tyrion is hand to the queen.

Tyrion = a Targaryen totally confirmed.

/s

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Illuminati: Confirmed.

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Rhaegar should have named him Muad'Dib.

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the sleeper has awaken!

I spend all day trying to defrost a small refrigerator with a hairdryer that over heated twice before burning out but an Ice Dragon melts down an 800 foot million year old ice wall in a coupla minutes...


Must've been bad writing...

I'm surprised Littlefinger didn't offer to take the black to avoid death. He's supposed to be the guy who schemes for everything.

Apache said:

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*Cersei appears to be off the bottle and a turned into a rational, cunning leader an exceptionally strategic mind. Except she told her plans to Jamie and let him ride away. Oops. He should have spent the money on a Ravengram before he left btw.

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I still see this as a fairly major flaw in the plotting and plausibility. No way she let's him ride away: "no one walks away from me", etc.

Far more likely that she holds him under house arrest until 1) he comes around, 2) the fight is won

Yeah. Rhaegar is supposed to be a great warrior in his own right.

If we are talking aa out flaws in the writing, why did Tyrion try to get Cersie to order the Mountain yo kill him amd why didny she take him up on it?

If she was planning to double cross from the beginning, then why refuse at the first negotiation? What if Tyrion would not had tried persuading her a second time?

That was a little much. The show likes repeating itself at this point. Both of Cersei's brothers dared her to have Robert Strong kill them during this episode.

So who kills Cersei? At this point it can't be Jaime because the Volanqar wraps his "hands" around her throat. Jaime has one hand, so he's ruled out.

John is technically a little brother, as his older brother was killed by the Mountain during the sack of king's landing. Tyrion, Sandro Clegane, heck Euron are all little brothers....and so is Theon. Bran could but only if he wargs into someone else to do it. Could he Warg into the Mountain?!?

Could Arya take Jaime's face and kill her? Arya's style has been a slice across the throats though so that really would seem to not indicate her. Tyrion has killed someone (Shae) though strangling but not with his hands.

Strangling especially with your hands is typically a very emotional form of killing . You have to be up close and personal or it needs to be a life and death struggle or both. Jaime and Tyrion are the only ones I can think of for whom Cersei's murder would make it that personal.....

Ags4DaWin said:

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So who kills Cersei? At this point it can't be Jaime because the Volanqar wraps his "hands" around her throat. Jaime has one hand, so he's ruled out.

John is technically a little brother, as his older brother was killed by the Mountain during the sack of king's landing. Tyrion, Sandro Clegane, heck Euron are all little brothers....and so is Theon. Bran could but only if he wargs into someone else to do it. Could he Warg into the Mountain?!?

Pull Arya take Jaime's face and kill her? Arya's style has been a slice across the throats though so that really would seem to not indicate her. Tyrion has killed someone (Shae) though strangling but not with his hands.

Strangling especially with your hands is typically a very emotional form of killing . You have to be up close and personal or it needs to be a life and death struggle or both. Jaime and Tyrion are the only ones I can think of for whom Cersei's murder would make it that personal.....

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my bet is Cersei ends up being responsible for Jaime Lannister's death which in turn enrages Tyrion who figures out a way to put her down.

bangobango said:

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If we are talking aa out flaws in the writing, why did Tyrion try to get Cersie to order the Mountain yo kill him amd why didny she take him up on it?

If she was planning to double cross from the beginning, then why refuse at the first negotiation? What if Tyrion would not had tried persuading her a second time?

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Giving in and agreeing to the truce so easily would have been suspicious. To refuse and then relent makes everyone think she might be changing and they can trust her.

Granted everyone should know better. You can't trust anything that woman says unless you know for certain that what she is saying lines up exactly with what she wants.

Agree. In the context of this season it makes sense. Leaving aside them needing Cersei in the first place.

I think Jamie dies saving one of the fan favorites from the North.

When Cersie learns of this she hangs herself.

I don't think Cersei is pregnant. Personally I think the whole pregnancy is a manipulation, which she devised first to keep Jaime. Secondly she let Tyrion know about the pregnancy too easily. That kind of information (that would make her seem vulnerable) is not something she normally would have revealed of her own free will.

The "pregnancy" has done two things for her so far 1) kept Jaime around in spite of his misgivings. 2) convinced Tyrion the truce was real.

We have not seen her consult with qyburn regarding it, and as her Maester you would think that she woukd have.

Jaime realizes the pregnancy was a lie, and tried to leave permanently she kills him, and Tyrion kills her out of revenge maybe?

bangobango said:

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Also, something I have not yet seen mentioned - Jaime is riding North to help fight. Presumably the three eyed raven now knows who crippled him....

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Bran might be able to look past that.

Ags4DaWin said:

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So who kills Cersei? At this point it can't be Jaime because the Volanqar wraps his "hands" around her throat. Jaime has one hand, so he's ruled out.

John is technically a little brother, as his older brother was killed by the Mountain during the sack of king's landing. Tyrion, Sandro Clegane, heck Euron are all little brothers....and so is Theon. Bran could but only if he wargs into someone else to do it. Could he Warg into the Mountain?!?

Could Arya take Jaime's face and kill her? Arya's style has been a slice across the throats though so that really would seem to not indicate her. Tyrion has killed someone (Shae) though strangling but not with his hands.

Strangling especially with your hands is typically a very emotional form of killing . You have to be up close and personal or it needs to be a life and death struggle or both. Jaime and Tyrion are the only ones I can think of for whom Cersei's murder would make it that personal.....

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That's the best theory I've heard yet. It would make since for both Arya and Jaime to kill Cersei. I don't see Jaime making it out alive. And it would be poetic for Arya to kill Cersei with Jaime's face.

Ags4DaWin said:

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I don't think Cersei is pregnant. Personally I think the whole pregnancy is a manipulation, which she devised first to keep Jaime. Secondly she let Tyrion know about the pregnancy too easily. That kind of information (that would make her seem vulnerable) is not something she normally would have revealed of her own free will.

The "pregnancy" has done two things for her so far 1) kept Jaime around in spite of his misgivings. 2) convinced Tyrion the truce was real.

We have not seen her consult with qyburn regarding it, and as her Maester you would think that she woukd have.

Jaime realizes the pregnancy was a lie, and tried to leave permanently she kills him, and Tyrion kills her out of revenge maybe?

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Not following. Jaime has already left.

Ags4DaWin said:

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I don't think Cersei is pregnant. Personally I think the whole pregnancy is a manipulation, which she devised first to keep Jaime. Secondly she let Tyrion know about the pregnancy too easily. That kind of information (that would make her seem vulnerable) is not something she normally would have revealed of her own free will.

The "pregnancy" has done two things for her so far 1) kept Jaime around in spite of his misgivings. 2) convinced Tyrion the truce was real.

We have not seen her consult with qyburn regarding it, and as her Maester you would think that she woukd have.

Jaime realizes the pregnancy was a lie, and tried to leave permanently she kills him, and Tyrion kills her out of revenge maybe?

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I think it'd be a little cheesy for the writers to suddenly be like "just kidding!" I think they're playing this up for her to lose the baby somehow and have her go back to 100% Mad Queen.

I thought about that.

I can see a scene at the beginning of next season, in the great hall at Winterfell, where Jamie's fate is being decided.

Bran: It is true. You threw me, a young boy, from the window, when i saw you and Cecei together.
Jamie: I don't deny it. I have traveled here knowing I may die for my sins the moment I stepped foot in the North. I accept whatever punishment I have coming.
Bran: You also saved Brienne from the Bolton men. You kept your vow to my mother. You ended the siege at Riverrun as peacefully as you could.
jamie: I...............I...............
Bran: The realm knows, Jamie Lannister, why you are called the Kingslayer.
Jamie: Yes.............
Bran: The Realm does not know that you stayed true to your vows until you had to kill the Mad King to keep all of King's Landing from burning. The Realm does not know how many people lived by your actions.
Jamie:
Bran: Had I told my father what I saw, King Robert would have killed you, killed Cercei, killed all three of your children.
Jamie: Yes....
Bran: I am satisfied with this Jamie Lannister. You traded one life for several. You proven to be a changed man. You seek nothing for yourself.

This followed by Brienne making some impassioned statement and begrudgingly Jamie is allowed to join them.

Or he just rides to Dragonstone since Tyrion will be happy to see him.

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Also, something I have not yet seen mentioned - Jaime is riding North to help fight. Presumably the three eyed raven now knows who crippled him....

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Pretty sure he has always known.

Urban Ag said:

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I thought about that.

I can see a scene at the beginning of next season, in the great hall at Winterfell, where Jamie's fate is being decided.

Bran: It is true. You threw me, a young boy, from the window, when i saw you and Cecei together.
Jamie: I don't deny it. I have traveled here knowing I may die for my sins the moment I stepped foot in the North. I accept whatever punishment I have coming.
Bran: You also saved Brienne from the Bolton men. You kept your vow to my mother. You ended the siege at Riverrun as peacefully as you could.
jamie: I...............I...............
Bran: The realm knows, Jamie Lannister, why you are called the Kingslayer.
Jamie: Yes.............
Bran: The Realm does not know that you stayed true to your vows until you had to kill the Mad King to keep all of King's Landing from burning. The Realm does not know how many people lived by your actions.
Jamie:
Bran: Had I told my father what I saw, King Robert would have killed you, killed Cercei, killed all three of your children.
Jamie: Yes....
Bran: I am satisfied with this Jamie Lannister. You traded one life for several. You proven to be a changed man. You seek nothing for yourself.

This followed by Brienne making some impassioned statement and begrudgingly Jamie is allowed to join them.

Or he just rides to Dragonstone since Tyrion will be happy to see him.

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Tyrion is on boat with John and Dany.

Bran did not and to best of my recollection, never realized Jamie tossed him out the window.

I am pretty certain that Jamie did tell Cat when he was drunk, or maybe it was Brienbe, that he tried to kill Bran.

Isn't the boat most likely going to Dragonstone?

And can anyone explain what was up with Tyrion standing outside the door? That was weird/awkward.