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We do not know who he was arguing with. Show is OK so far, and tonight, while good, also annoyed me a few times.

If it were my project I'd cut at least 10 minutes a show from the "prison culture" crap and put it towards advancing the investigation of what really happened.

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Agreed!
We have not seen any movement from either side, Box or Naz's defense. This has been said earlier but this show is like The Killing. Great start but losing steam each episode. Thankfully this is a short mini series.

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We do not know who he was arguing with. Show is OK so far, and tonight, while good, also annoyed me a few times.

If it were my project I'd cut at least 10 minutes a show from the "prison culture" crap and put it towards advancing the investigation of what really happened.

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Agreed!
We have not seen any movement from either side, Box or Naz's defense. This has been said earlier but this show is like The Killing. Great start but losing steam each episode. Thankfully this is a short mini series.

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Did yall not watch the entire episode?
Did you not see Stone track down the photo location and figure out she was in rehab?
Did you not see him videoing the argument at the funeral?

Granted, it wasn't for Naz, but more for Stone's own benefit in turning a quick little profit. Just more hammering home of the underlying theme that everyone has their own motivations.

I am a huge crime drama fan - Law & Order is one of my favorite shows of all time. I was really looking forward to this show going that way as well and was surprised that this show took a different direction. Given that though, I love this show and as someone said above, have been really sad to see the ending credits each time. I just think it is well acted and really shows us how hard this process is on everyone. Even the still shots of the mom almost frozen on the couch - I can't imagine what the parents must be feeling in this situation and I think she does a great job of communicating that pain to the audience.

The prison scenes may be over the top, but still I can't imagine that Rikers is a walk in the park and it is worth knowing that what he is experiencing in prison probably has a lot to do with his frame of mind throughout the trial. He's not just in prison waiting for his trial, he is going through a lot of other **** as well that we don't think about most of the time.

And, I think with that ***** lawyer out of the way, we will finally start getting to more of the investigative detective work that most people on here are looking forward to. I hope Stone and the other assistant attorney sort of team up to get down to what happened - I think it looks like it is going that way.

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We do not know who he was arguing with. Show is OK so far, and tonight, while good, also annoyed me a few times.

If it were my project I'd cut at least 10 minutes a show from the "prison culture" crap and put it towards advancing the investigation of what really happened.

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Agreed!
We have not seen any movement from either side, Box or Naz's defense. This has been said earlier but this show is like The Killing. Great start but losing steam each episode. Thankfully this is a short mini series.

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Did yall not watch the entire episode?
Did you not see Stone track down the photo location and figure out she was in rehab?
Did you not see him videoing the argument at the funeral?

Granted, it wasn't for Naz, but more for Stone's own benefit in turning a quick little profit. Just more hammering home of the underlying theme that everyone has their own motivations.

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You obviously like this show a lot more than I do. To compare this to the Wire and season 4 is a damn shame. This is show is a R Rated Law and Order in my book. I do not feel this shows the real system at all. At first, yes, episode 1 and 2 but since then not so much. It is losing steam.
I did not feel the story progressed at all. We did not receive anything new, no facts, nothing. This could have been done in episode 2 or 3. But a couple of guys arguing at a funeral probably happens at most funerals and family gatherings, and she was in rehab, not that surprising from the audience POV since she had a **** ton of drugs when her and Naz hooked up.

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I suppose that's the case for anyone who still views this as a crime/detective story. It doesn't appear to be one.

If it were just a matter of the crime, the suspect, the evidence, and the verdict, we wouldn't have needed the female attorney at all. We wouldn't need Naz's brother, or even his mother, or the fact that he's a math tutor. We wouldn't need the first or second bunk mates, either telling Naz to work with Freddie or to stay away. We wouldn't need the story of Charlene the niece or Naz getting cut on the arm or Jack London or the orange cat that nobody wants. You're right - at that point, it's an hour long and probably turns into an episode of Law and Order.

But this show is about everything else. And it's delivering it beautifully. I understand if people don't want that and would rather find out if he's guilty and why he is or isn't. If that's the case, to each his own - there's a dozen crime dramas on network tv that deliver exactly that.

The British show this is based on just got picked up for a second season. I haven't seen it, but that MIGHT imply that the story isn't wrapped up in season one. That said, I guess even if it wasn't, HBO could be veering with this version and wrap season one up however they want. Or, similarly, this was always perhaps intended to be just one season. Just an FYI.

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I don't like THAT possibility. Thanks for the info, though.

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Is it a hint that the prisoner's niece was killed in a way that looked very similar to what happened to the girl in this case?

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guy with the menacing stare in episode 1 is the killer for both

The prison scenes are just stupid. I worked as a prison guard for a year (in Navasota not Riker's) and the stuff there are doing is just plain stupid. As if they don't have cameras all over the place to see who attacks who and to catch the guards doing favors for prisoners.

Just stupid and unrealistic.

That said the rest of the show is good I'm enjoying it.

If you're talking about the friend of the real talkative racist guy on the street right before they enter her house, I agree.

This character sticks out a lot to me because they give him a close up and it's a real menacing stare down. It gets hidden because the other guy is the one with all the lines and is real talkative and even gets taken in by Box later on the episode. He even says that he was alone when he's at the station for his statement which is actually false. I expect this to come up when they start looking back through all the evidence and information. I assume we'll start to see all that happen in a few episodes with the start of the trial.

They made a point to show security cameras in the first episode and made note of his receipt and they have the two witness accounts, this will all get revisited at some point, and this is where something should stand out. It could be nothing, but here is when Naz will correct them and say there was definitely another guy with that witness. Feel like this is the only logical explanation right now besides just some plot by the step dad just because there hasn't been many suspects or characters introduced. Plus, even if the step dad was behind it, doubtful that he would have actually committed the murder.

I just rewatched it.

The DA looks through the file of photos from the crime scene. The first one she looks at is a head shot, eyes open, covered in blood and bruises.

The photo that the napalm guy shows Naz of his murdered niece is exactly the same: head shot, eyes open, covered in blood and bruises.

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The prison scenes are just stupid. I worked as a prison guard for a year (in Navasota not Riker's) and the stuff there are doing is just plain stupid. As if they don't have cameras all over the place to see who attacks who and to catch the guards doing favors for prisoners.

Just stupid and unrealistic.

That said the rest of the show is good I'm enjoying it.

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So you are saying Naz doesn't have to worry about dropping the soap?

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"We're thinking about it and if we come up with something we all feel is worthy of doing, we'll do it. This was designed as a stand-alone piece. That being said, there are ways of certainly kind of taking what it feels like and what it's about and doing another season on another subject."

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http://collider.com/the-night-of-season-2-hbo

I was totally captivated by the plea bargain scene in the courtoom. Naz killed that scene.

Anyone have any insight on this?

Freddy says to Naz that there are two essential books for learning to survive inside:

The Art of War, he says, "for obvious reasons," and

The Other Side of Midnight, "also for obvious reasons."

What is the connection between The Other Side of Midnight and our story? I never read it, but it was a fairly scandalous bestseller in the early 70s. I wonder if the idea is how women use sex to achieve power, or something like that.

He's just saying prisoners like Other Side of Midnight because it's full of sex, and prisoners need a release since they are all pent up sexually.

I loved the scene where Naz is asked to pick out the most important thing...Freddy's diploma. He wants his friendship and "servitude" for his intellect, as that type is rare in such a place.

I had the same problem. Quite literally didn't understand anything he said during that exchange.

just watched the new Jason Bourne movie.....Naz has a prominent and very different role in it. A tech savvy Steve Jobs like young ceo whiz kid. very charismatic as opposed to his awkwardness in this role.

article from a dermatologist about John Stone's eczema. I thought it was interesting.

https://theringer.com/notes-from-a-real-dermatologist-81135f0f58b8#.auj2b7ew4

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just watched the new Jason Bourne movie.....Naz has a prominent and very different role in it. A tech savvy Steve Jobs like young ceo whiz kid. very charismatic as opposed to his awkwardness in this role.

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Yeah, it was interesting seeing the actor play a confident, successful 30ish man; unlike timid college student Naz.

This is how I feel about this show, I'm just not as elegant as this blogger.

https://theringer.com/the-night-of-has-a-foot-fetish-and-it-stinks-349a27ea16bb#.73k8vql4h

Since we're using previous character names...

If Tony Soprano was playing the lawyer part as originally planned, do you think they would have still had Janice playing the rehab center employee?

I doubt it. Janice is played by Aida Turtorro... John Turturro's cousin. I think that was the connection over HBO/Sopranos.

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I suppose that's the case for anyone who still views this as a crime/detective story. It doesn't appear to be one.

If it were just a matter of the crime, the suspect, the evidence, and the verdict, we wouldn't have needed the female attorney at all. We wouldn't need Naz's brother, or even his mother, or the fact that he's a math tutor. We wouldn't need the first or second bunk mates, either telling Naz to work with Freddie or to stay away. We wouldn't need the story of Charlene the niece or Naz getting cut on the arm or Jack London or the orange cat that nobody wants. You're right - at that point, it's an hour long and probably turns into an episode of Law and Order.

But this show is about everything else. And it's delivering it beautifully. I understand if people don't want that and would rather find out if he's guilty and why he is or isn't. If that's the case, to each his own - there's a dozen crime dramas on network tv that deliver exactly that.

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I doubt it. Janice is played by Aida Turtorro... John Turturro's cousin. I think that was the connection over HBO/Sopranos.

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But ignoring the Turturro connection, would that have been too "weird" for Gandolfini and her to be in that scene together?

Finally figured out where I've seen Alison Crowe before. She was in dirty rotten scoundrels.

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Finally figured out where I've seen Alison Crowe before. She was in dirty rotten scoundrels.

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lonesome dove is the correct answer.

I'm always reminded of her as Richard Dreyfuss' wife in Mr Holland's Opus.

First Xfiles movie bartender.

How are we feeling here guys? Is this show a success?

No question in my mind. And this next ep finally looks to be diving into the detective work, which is what everyone has been clamping for.