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The entire time from when she gave Naz the pill at the river to the time they started going to town she seemed to be setting him up to be the fall guy for whomever she knew was coming to kill her.

unknown pill
tequila
cocaine
knife game stabbing her and not caring
the rough sex
deliberately rubbing her bloody hand on the railing and such.

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This was my thought as well.

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Same here. Most are focusing on Naz and random people. Those random people, I think will be used to establish motive and timeline. But something is off with this girl, so that she is very involved in her own death.

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At this point, they seem to be pointing to the hearse driver that was with Bodie. Question...is he also the guy on the motorcycle at the end too?

Was Bodie really walking with that guy or just happened to be walking down the street at the same time? It didn't seem super clear to me.

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This thread is going to produce all sorts of crazy off the wall theories just like True Detective and Game of Thrones isn't it?

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I think the real killer might be Naz's brother. He seemed like he knew what was really going on when he woke up his father and sat there acting all concerned while his father tried to track down Naz.

Why is everyone calling that bypasser black guy witness Bodie? Did they say his name?

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The entire time from when she gave Naz the pill at the river to the time they started going to town she seemed to be setting him up to be the fall guy for whomever she knew was coming to kill her.

unknown pill
tequila
cocaine
knife game stabbing her and not caring
the rough sex
deliberately rubbing her bloody hand on the railing and such.

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I think this is the best theory so far - not to mention when they were sitting by the water, she mentioned something along the lines of "I can't be alone tonight" right before he took the pill. I think she knew something bad was going to happen that night - maybe not to the extent of getting knife murdered, but still something was going to go down.

I'm also intrigued about the father in this and what his reaction will be - either to back his son, or will he be upset enough about Naz taking the cab to take on a "he gets what is coming to him" approach. I wouldn't be surprised to see the father and mother get in some disagreements about what his son actually did that night, with the mother siding with Naz. The ending scene with the father giving the "what the ****" look was well done.

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Why is everyone calling that bypasser black guy witness Bodie? Did they say his name?

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thats the same actor who played a character named Bodie in The Wire. They actually said his name last night in the show, but he's probably going to be forever referred to as Bodie.

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Why is everyone calling that bypasser black guy witness Bodie? Did they say his name?

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Bodie was a character on The Wire played by the same actor. Just like I can't refer to Keifer Sutherland without saying Jack Bauer.

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I found it a bit odd that the camera kept focusing on the deer head on the wall in the girl's apartment. Afterwards I mentioned to my fiance that I thought there could be a hidden camera inside the mount. She laughed at me, but that's my hail mary theory after episode 1.

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Yea I noticed this as well. The way they focused on the deer head made it seem like it (or someone) was watching everything go down.

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The entire time from when she gave Naz the pill at the river to the time they started going to town she seemed to be setting him up to be the fall guy for whomever she knew was coming to kill her.

unknown pill
tequila
cocaine
knife game stabbing her and not caring
the rough sex
deliberately rubbing her bloody hand on the railing and such.

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I agree that she seemed to act like she was going to die. I was thinking suicide, but I guess if you say she knew she was going to be killed then she may act similarly. But if she knew she was going to be killed, why not leave town, etc? And why would she want someone else to take the fall for the person that killed her? That seems like a weird wish. There would have to be something crazy going on for that to be the case. Like maybe there is some sick underground club in which really rich guys get off on killing young women. These guys pay the women a ton of money in advance (this could explain the brownstone) in exchange for them letting the guys kill them and also setting up an innocent individual to take the fall.

Ok, I'll stop just making **** up now.

Here are a couple of things I noticed that may or may not amount to anything:

-Bodie's friend, who never said a word, gave Naz and the girl a looooooong hard stare at the end of their confrontation. It was like 20x more threatening and malicious than anything Bodie himself actually said. They even stayed on his face for a good 3-4 seconds before cutting away.
- The black female cop seemed a little extra aggressive/suspicious with Naz didn't she? Think they are just trying to establish that she was profiling? Or is it possible she and her partner were in on the murder somehow. They also seemed extra eager to finish their shift.

I'm not sure how too many of these threads go with hail mary theories and whatnot, so I'm only sticking with the obvious choices for now. The four possible suspects that we've seen so far, the details regarding the knife, possible reasons for him being downstairs, etc.

I'm absolutely on board with the deer stuff, the potential frame job, the "I can't be alone tonight" comment, and the idea that she knew something bad would happen to her. All of that seems relevant at this point. But that's the thing - the way it was presented, everything seems relevant.

I'm just anxious to see how it plays out and not ready to hang my hat on any of those wild ideas yet. Honestly, the storyline that I'm most interested in might be the possible history between John Turturro and Detective Box. There may be something there other than the obvious notion that Box is a tough one to beat.

This thread is getting me even more fired up about this series.

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Honestly, the storyline that I'm most interested in might be the possible history between John Turturro and Detective Box. There may be something there other than the obvious notion that Box is a tough one to beat.

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I think the show goes this way as well. If I remember reading correctly James Gandolfini was originally cast as Jack Stone before he passed away. He is still listed as an executive producer. Given his high profile, I think the show was meant to center around him and not Naz. Episode one was just setting everything up - and it did a hell of a job doing that in my opinion. Look how many theories are already out there.

The way it was shot did a great job of this - have subtle pauses here and there and focusing on certain things to make you wonder how/if they would show up again. The traffic cams, the tollbooth, the convenient store clerk, the cops that made the guys get out of the cab originally, the guys that were in the cab, the hearse driver, the guy with Bodie, the deer, the cat.....

Anyone think the prosecution could also get testimony from the cops who helped remove the guys from his cab at the beginning? Something along the lines of being a predator who denies a ride to two guys but agrees to driving a lone woman?

Didn't think about that, but sure - yes, very plausible.

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Was Bodie really walking with that guy or just happened to be walking down the street at the same time? It didn't seem super clear to me.

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They were definitely together - when they were walking away he mentions something about the weed that will be at the house they're going to.

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I've gotten to see the early reactions to it, which tend to break down along three paths:

1)That was unbearable to watch because I felt so bad for Naz as his night out went so horribly awry;

2)That was unbearable to watch because Naz acted like such a complete idiot at every turn;

3)Even though I felt bad for Naz, and/or couldn't believe how stupid he kept being, I was riveted by the whole thing.

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Looks like most on this thread are in the third camp.

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I've gotten to see the early reactions to it, which tend to break down along three paths:

1)That was unbearable to watch because I felt so bad for Naz as his night out went so horribly awry;

2)That was unbearable to watch because Naz acted like such a complete idiot at every turn;

3)Even though I felt bad for Naz, and/or couldn't believe how stupid he kept being, I was riveted by the whole thing.

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Looks like most on this thread are in the third camp.

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I feel like point 2 could happen to anyone, especially a misunderstood minority. Assume he is innocent and the nice guy we believe and then imagine having maybe the best night of your life be suddenly wrapped up in a homicide arrest. Wouldn't you be a little dazed about the entire ordeal?

The discussions that will be had about this show are one of the reasons I'm so hyped.

Naz practicing talking to girls while waiting for his friend, then confessing that the murdered girl was only his second sexual experience really made his motivations and inexperience more understandable.

I call Little Finger "mayor Carcetti" so this character has no chance of being anyone but Bodie.

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I've gotten to see the early reactions to it, which tend to break down along three paths:

1)That was unbearable to watch because I felt so bad for Naz as his night out went so horribly awry;

2)That was unbearable to watch because Naz acted like such a complete idiot at every turn;

3)Even though I felt bad for Naz, and/or couldn't believe how stupid he kept being, I was riveted by the whole thing.

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So far I'm with 1 & 2. I keep pausing this because it's such a train wreck for this kid. I'm thru 53 minutes of 90 minutes. Time to finish this episode. FWIW, I think the girl was BSC and he's her last victim.

I thought Naz's behavior was understandable and predictable. A few hours earlier he's a kid trying to work up the courage to talk to girls and to take his dad's cab for the night. Then within a few minutes of waking up, he's in a ****ing whirlwind.

Wouldn't be surprised to see this end up with an ambiguous ending where we're not sure who did it - including Naz. I don't think anyone else in episode 1 is involved. The killer is either Naz or a character we haven't seen yet (and may never see).

I don't think she's suicidal, just a druggie, and a cutter.
She obviously likes it kinky. Something went wrong after/while they were boning.


The most logical answer is usually right: from the cops perspective: nas drunk, high on Molly and coked out of his mind flipping out and stabbing her.

But we all know that is too easy.
I still think he has a dark schisophrenetic side and he did it but with selective memory.

His moms first reaction when he wasn't home was to call the cops, also she didn't want him going to party's, like maybe this has been a problem before?
I know crazy ass theory but I'll stick by it till I'm proved wrong.

One thing Naz actually has going for him is the witness.

Think about it this way, guy hears a crash, goes to window and within 30 seconds he sees the guy running out.

No way Naz could have murdered anyone in that amount of time. And if he was truly the murderer he wouldn't have so carelessly smashed his way back in.

It doesn't exonerate him obviously, but it helps his case I'd bet.

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This.

I think we're going to find out that this is not a who dun it show and it's going to end up being more about how Turturro proves it wasn't Naz.

I think it'll end up where enough doubt is cast that it wasn't Naz and he gets off. We'll end up where we started in assuming it was Naz but also possibilities it was someone else.

I don't see how naz did it if he has no blood on him or his clothes.

Good point about the witness actually helping naz.

he took a shower after he killed her while he was naked?

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he took a shower after he killed her while he was naked?

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Wouldn't get blood out of his clothes. But since they were having grex, perhaps they were off when he killed her.

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One thing Naz actually has going for him is the witness.

Think about it this way, guy hears a crash, goes to window and within 30 seconds he sees the guy running out.

No way Naz could have murdered anyone in that amount of time. And if he was truly the murderer he wouldn't have so carelessly smashed his way back in.

It doesn't exonerate him obviously, but it helps his case I'd bet.

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Only problem with this is that Naz has already admitted he was there most of the night. The witness is only needed to confirm that Naz was indeed there unless Turturro can find a way to keep those conversations/confessions with Box excluded (like lack of Miranda rights).

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he took a shower after he killed her while he was naked?

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Wouldn't get blood out of his clothes. But since they were having grex, perhaps they were off when he killed her.

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I think that's why he mentioned the "naked" part in the post you quoted

I understand Bodie from the wire, but why are we calling the detective Box? Is that his name in the show or is Box a character he plays in another show?

Because they called him Box a bunch of times in the show.

Gotcha. Thanks.

22 year old me was really jealous of Naz's evening, right up until the point to where he woke up to the dead chick.

Box is the detective's name on The Night Of. They called him that on the show.

It is thought provoking how the evidence can point to a theory of a crime that might not be accurate. There is evidence of a break in and one could assume someone broke in and killed her. Naz will have glass on his jacket, his blood on the glass and doorknob from where he cut himself, and a witness who saw him break in. You could easily back the prosecution's narrative with the evidence...yet that's not the timeline of how it happened.