Stranger Things - new Netflix series

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I'm ****ing sorry I said anything. Heaven forbid you say you didn't think something was the greatest thing ever on this board.
I'm not at all trying to tell you that you're wrong or stupid for not liking the show as much. What I'm doing is explaining things that you may have missed due to the fact that you clearly didn't enjoy the show as much as some of us, which may have caused you to be less engaged. You offered up specific criticisms of the show that fit into the narrative of the show.

You didn't like the tone or the ending. Those are valid reasons for not liking the show, but you offered up specifics, some of which were off the mark.

Being upset that Barb didn't garner more attention - valid, but that concern is not likely to come from the characters of this show (Will's three friends, Will's Mom, Will's brother). Her role is to be a sympathetic character for the viewer, and to add weight to the story that something bad actually happened to good people. Otherwise it'd be an off-screen father/son, and Benny from the diner that died.

Nancy abandons Barb - She doesn't. She searches for Barb from Episode 3 (when Barb is known to be missing), until Episode 7 (when Barb is known to be dead). She goes into the forest, knowing full well there's a monster out there, climbs into a tree knowing full well that its where the monster came from, all in the pursuit of Barb. I'd say knowingly risking your life for your friend is showing pretty great concern.

Nancy and Mike's parents curfew rules are inconsistent - They say specifically in the show that no one is going to be out and about at night until WIll is found. Will is found dead due to an accident, there's no more concern of a kidnapper/killer, therefore their concern relaxes.

El, the monster, and the town are randomly thrown together - They're not, the thing that ties it all together is that the Hawkins Laboratory is right outside of town. El's psychic powers are a result of the lab's activities, the monster entering our dimension is a result of El interacting with the monster. You can argue how believable El getting psychic powers via psychedelic experimentation, or the monster being released due to psychic interactions is, but it is a Sci-Fi show after all. The point is that the monster and the psychic girl are not random.


You missed that El is almost certainly not dead, so its not unreasonable to think you missed most of these other things.


As a further aside, it is the intent of the content that determines the genre of a show/movie, not the content itself. You say that because the story ends on a sad note that it makes this show a horror. Harry Potter ends on a relatively sad note (lots of people die), but that doesn't make it a horror. You said that the slugs make this a horror, the same way that the aliens bursting through people's chests in Alien made that a horror. The intent of the chest bursting was to scare you in Alien, that's why its a horror. The intent of the slugs is to foreshadow not scare. Ron spits up slugs in Harry Potter too, and no one would confuse Harry Potter with a horror film.
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Girl and military project - Firestarter

The nosebleeds when using powers reminded me of Firestarter as well.

And while it was with a gun, Nancy shooting the targets better than Jonathan reminded me of the same scene from IT with Beverly and the slingshot. Not to mention the slingshot use at the end of Stranger Things being straight out of IT. The bullies felt a little similar to IT as well, was half expecting them to carve initials into Dustin's stomach when the knife came out.





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Sorry if this has been discussed, but where did Hop go with the men from the laboratory at the end of the last episode. I think they picked him up from the hospital.
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we don't know but prob to tell him that Ell is still alive which is why he put the food in that box out in the woods
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we don't know but prob to tell him that Ell is still alive which is why he put the food in that box out in the woods
Agreed. Maybe they told him Ell is still alive and is in the upside down keeping the town safe. That it will be his secret as no one is to speak of this again, per the deal
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The ending with the slingshots had a Spielberg tie in as well.
When the creature opens his mouth & the kid scores a direct hit we are led to believe that the slingshot did the damage. Quick turn and we realize Eleven used her powers.

This is similar to "Saving Private Ryan" when Tom Hanks lays dying and is shooting the tank with his pistol. Tank blows up, only a split second later do we realize it was hit by a bomb from a plane.

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Haven't seen this discussed on this thread yet, but could the men who picked up Hopper at the end have done so to tell him that not only is El alive, but she is his daughter? Thoughts?
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why would he think its his daughter? We know what the daughter looks like.
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Ell is Terry Ives daughter...
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The government was pretty good at faking Wills death, even coming up with a fake body leading to the family having a funeral. Perhaps Hopper thought his daughter died from the illness (cancer?), but somehow the government faked her death as well. Unless I am forgetting a flashback, the only time we see Hoppers daughter is in the hospital getting treatment. In that scene the girl looked like a younger El to me.

El is still alive in the upside down. Hopper knows this and is leaving food for her. But why would he leave waffles? From what we saw only the boys knew El liked waffles. If Hopper now knows El is his daughter, as a father he would know that before she "died" she liked waffles.
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The government was pretty good at faking Wills death, even coming up with a fake body leading to the family having a funeral. Perhaps Hopper thought his daughter died from the illness (cancer?), but somehow the government faked her death as well. Unless I am forgetting a flashback, the only time we see Hoppers daughter is in the hospital getting treatment. In that scene the girl looked like a younger El to me.

El is still alive in the upside down. Hopper knows this and is leaving food for her. But why would he leave waffles? From what we saw only the boys knew El liked waffles. If Hopper now knows El is his daughter, as a father he would know that before she "died" she liked waffles.
El is not Hopper's daughter. Her story was explained.
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The ending with the slingshots had a Spielberg tie in as well.
When the creature opens his mouth & the kid scores a direct hit we are led to believe that the slingshot did the damage. Quick turn and we realize Eleven used her powers.

This is similar to "Saving Private Ryan" when Tom Hanks lays dying and is shooting the tank with his pistol. Tank blows up, only a split second later do we realize it was hit by a bomb from a plane.



I took the sling shot as more of a shout out to It with the sling shop of magic crystals.
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Ell is Terry Ives daughter...


I said this after episode one. Clearly not the case but would've been a great twist.
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The government was pretty good at faking Wills death, even coming up with a fake body leading to the family having a funeral. Perhaps Hopper thought his daughter died from the illness (cancer?), but somehow the government faked her death as well. Unless I am forgetting a flashback, the only time we see Hoppers daughter is in the hospital getting treatment. In that scene the girl looked like a younger El to me.

El is still alive in the upside down. Hopper knows this and is leaving food for her. But why would he leave waffles? From what we saw only the boys knew El liked waffles. If Hopper now knows El is his daughter, as a father he would know that before she "died" she liked waffles.

When they show Will with the alien umbilical cord stuck down his throat and they pull it out, they flashback to Hopper's daughter having a tube pulled out of her throat, and CPR done on her as she dies. Eleven is the daughter of the woman who is in a comatose state that Joyce and Hopper visit. She's in the newspaper clippings that Hopper was reading about Dr. Brenner having kidnapped a woman's girl who they claim was miscarried (Eleven is the "miscarried" baby that was actually not miscarried, but rather taken for psychic experimentation).

The slugs and what Hopper spoke to the agents about will probably be covered in season 2, we dont know yet. We do know that Dr. Brenner was yet again implicated in the newspapers, and that the county coroner was fired due to falsifying the report on Will's body (this is on the bulletin board with the article titled "The Boy Who Came Back to Life").

"Dr. Brenner had no comment" is written in the article, so he may or may not have survived the attack by the monster.
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The ending with the slingshots had a Spielberg tie in as well.
When the creature opens his mouth & the kid scores a direct hit we are led to believe that the slingshot did the damage. Quick turn and we realize Eleven used her powers.

This is similar to "Saving Private Ryan" when Tom Hanks lays dying and is shooting the tank with his pistol. Tank blows up, only a split second later do we realize it was hit by a bomb from a plane.



I took the sling shot as more of a shout out to It with the sling shop of magic crystals.


Yeah, agreed. Not to sound like a jerk, but this whole show was a tribute to the 80's....Saving Private Ryan doesn't fit in anywhere in this.
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Wow that's a jerk thing to say
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My bad, it was wrong of me to go out on a limb and think the creators may have gotten inspiration from a Spielberg movie outside the 80's. Let's just chalk it up to a complete coincidence then.
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When Nancy was in the upside down, didn't she step on a second monster while backing away from the one eating the deer?
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When Nancy was in the upside down, didn't she step on a second monster while backing away from the one eating the deer?
No, she stepped on a branch or the equivalent in the upside down.
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So, the portal is still currently open right? 11 killed the monster but she didn't close the portal, because how else could Winona and the Sheriff have gotten out?

This is a post from days ago but I stayed away from this thread until I finished S1.

My opinion is that they walked back to the original portal and yeah, I am guessing it is still open....and still growing?
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This is cool

The show was scored by a band from Austin, and they also did the score for The Guest. That movie's soundtrack was phenomenal as well

http://music.blog.austin360.com/2016/07/25/in-love-with-stranger-things-the-opening-theme-was-scored-by-an-austin-band/
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My bad, it was wrong of me to go out on a limb and think the creators may have gotten inspiration from a Spielberg movie outside the 80's. Let's just chalk it up to a complete coincidence then.


Ok, considering how Rogue reacted to simple discussion earlier in the thread I was trying to be overly nice, hence the jerk warning. Don't want to hurt any feelings!

But, yeah, great that you think for that one final scene in the movie the creators decided to completely forget everything they'd done at that point and suddenly reference a movie made in 1998, despite the previous 7.5 hours being an homage to the 1980's....but you're wrong. And anybody with half a brain can see that.

This show wasn't a tribute to Spielberg movies, it was a tribute to the 80's. And that particular gimmick you're talking about - where the filmmakers make you think for a second it was the small "effort" by the boys that killed the bad guy and then you discover it was really some other big "effort"? Yeah, that's been done in plenty of other movies besides Saving Private Ryan. So, not even really a coincidence, just a standard movie trick.

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Ok ok ok. I caught a standard movie gimmick they used that has been done outside of the 80's and misinterpreted that as Mimicking Spielberg. I never said that it was a "tribute" to him, just that they used a similar gimmick, which is true. I did not realize it had been done so many times before. I fully understand the movie is an 80s thing.

Carry on. Jerk.
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This is cool

The show was scored by a band from Austin, and they also did the score for The Guest. That movie's soundtrack was phenomenal as well

http://music.blog.austin360.com/2016/07/25/in-love-with-stranger-things-the-opening-theme-was-pscored-by-an-austin-band/


Yeah interesting. Learned this from a bartender at Barley Swine. Didn't really connect your average band with scoring a movie or TV show before.
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Ok ok ok. I caught a standard movie gimmick they used that has been done outside of the 80's and misinterpreted that as Mimicking Spielberg. I never said that it was a "tribute" to him, just that they used a similar gimmick, which is true. I did not realize it had been done so many times before. I fully understand the movie is an 80s thing.

Carry on. Jerk.


Man, this jerk stuff is getting out of hand!
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Great series. This could have been bad, but they took A LOT of 80s movies material and threw all the right parts together in the right way and created a show that had something other remakes are missing: Soul. Also, in spite of being so, so derivative, the show somehow seemed...... original?...

We could spend a lot of time talking about the derivatives, but the one that I liked the most was the ET / Eleven relationship. I.e. she is hidden in the house from the mother (was the father anything more than a cardboard cut out?), she sports the blonde wig, she has levitation powers, she's learning to speak english, and the gang takes her out on the back of a bike in a group ride. The show stopped short of having all of them ride through the air over the cars of the Bad Men.

We've seen a lot of shows and movies take the ingredients from other movies and try to make something great. Most of the time they make a **** sandwich. And we've seen a lot of remakes that are completely forgettable with no soul (name 2 actors from the new Footloose).

Stranger Things got it right.
The father was your typical 80's movie dad - oblivious to what's going on around him, like Ferris Bueller's dad.
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Maybe I was feeling a little oversensitive the other day. For that I apologize. I didn't appreciate the comment that I "must have been sheltered as a kid". Otherwise no one was out of line.

I bring this as a peace offering.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/175929311
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That was incredibly well done.
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The ending with the slingshots had a Spielberg tie in as well.
When the creature opens his mouth & the kid scores a direct hit we are led to believe that the slingshot did the damage. Quick turn and we realize Eleven used her powers.

This is similar to "Saving Private Ryan" when Tom Hanks lays dying and is shooting the tank with his pistol. Tank blows up, only a split second later do we realize it was hit by a bomb from a plane.



I took the sling shot as more of a shout out to It with the sling shop of magic crystals.


Yeah, agreed. Not to sound like a jerk, but this whole show was a tribute to the 80's....Saving Private Ryan doesn't fit in anywhere in this.


Killing the bad guy with a rock and slingshot made me think of IT when they killed Pennywise in the sewar.
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I bring this as a peace offering.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/175929311
The creator of that video made notes of similarities to Alien (1979) Carrie (1976) and Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1976). This movie was an homage to the 80's and those were just standard movie gimmicks in lots of other movies. LOLLOLLOLLOL What an idiot!

Also no mention of book "It" which was written in 1980, but didn't come out on film until 1990. (Probably filmed in '89 so it should have made the cut)
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I bring this as a peace offering.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/175929311
The creator of that video made notes of similarities to Alien (1979) Carrie (1976) and Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1976). This movie was an homage to the 80's and those were just standard movie gimmicks in lots of other movies. LOLLOLLOLLOL What an idiot!

Also no mention of book "It" which was written in 1980, but didn't come out on film until 1990. (Probably filmed in '89 so it should have made the cut)


Oh for ****'s sake...ok, you were right. Stranger Things just out nowhere decided to pay a tribute to ****ing Saving Private Ryan at the end of an eight hour arc dedicated to 1980's movies and TV shows. Yeah.

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I know I was wrong about the SPR reference. Just messing with you.
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I know I was wrong about the SPR reference. Just messing with you.



Man, its been too long of a day for that!
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