Incredible finale. Can't ask for more from a tv show.

Outstanding

Need season 3 to become official soon ... Would be a shame if it didn't

Great episode...there had better be a season 3!!

So did they set off some kind of bomb? Or were the fires/debris/injured cops just from the riot?

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Great episode...there had better be a season 3!!

So did they set off some kind of bomb? Or were the fires/debris/injured cops just from the riot?

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I figured just from the rioting.

Just from rioting, no bomb.

Simply outstanding

since the earthquakes happen when someone comes back, i.e. Kevin comes back, Mary comes back. Who came back on the last earthquake when Kevin was in the yard??

voodoo grandpa?

His whole family was back.

That shiz was terrible.

If this is how the series ends, I'm okay with it. Lots of unexplained which there will be whether it lasts 2 seasons or 10 seasons, but at the core, there was essentially a resolution. As ****ed up and squirrelly as it may be.

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since the earthquakes happen when someone comes back, i.e. Kevin comes back, Mary comes back. Who came back on the last earthquake when Kevin was in the yard??

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Watch it be Patty.

The best line of the whole series was when John was cleaning Kevin's gunshot wound tonight and said "I don't understand what's happening."

It made me laugh, because that was my thought exactly.



Oh, and I agree, I think that last earthquake had to have been Patti.

I don't know. I thought that whole ending might have been setting up that he was actually really dead. Maybe I was reading to much into it. But he was actually "home". With all of his family. Who knows though.

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But she was never in Texas. Just her force ghost or whatever.

No reason for her to be reappearing.

If anything, maybe Virgil.

Why are we equating earthquakes to people "coming back"? I have not seen an explanation other than Virgil's comment that demon Patti must be powerful because that earthquake drained the water.

My first thought was that the bomb went off. This "earthquake" seemed to have more wind, etc, possibly a shockwave if you suspend reality for tv purposes.

I like the thought that he's actually dead/in the process of dying. It keeps with the thought that everything post departure can be explained without dipping into the spiritual.

Also, I LOLed at several moments last night. Very good ending.

This show is out there. What is the motivation for the girls joining the GR? Don't really get that. Nice to know there's someone out there worse than me at karaoke though.

Yes I initially thought that last night. It could work as both. If this is the end of the series, I wouldn't mind thinking that Kevin had died and he was finally "home."

However, if it gets another season, I obviously don't want that to be the case.

Damn Lindelof interview with Sepinwall about the finale.

Justin Theroux on having to do karaoke:

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Sheer terror! [Co-creator] Damon Lindelof knows very well that not only do I not sing, which is evident in my performance. [Laughs.] But being in the spotlight, being at a microphone, public speaking, and singing are probably my four top, least favorite things to do, and he made me do all of them. Even in the script, he wrote, "Kevin steps to the microphone and begins to sing. (Yes, Justin, you're going to have to sing.)" So he knew he was pushing me as far out of my comfort zone as possible.

I've had to be vulnerable in the show, but it's usually opposite one other person, at tops two. To do it in front of a room full of other actors, sitting at tables, was daunting to say the least.

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Regarding the bomb question (quote from the article I linked above):

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Did you ever seriously consider having Meg's plan be more violent, with real explosives, or was it always meant to be like the dummy grenade on the school bus?

Damon Lindelof: No, we never considered an actual, literal explosion. I believe the exact phrase used the room was, "We can't out-Homeland HOMELAND."


Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/damon-lindelof-on-the-leftovers-im-fighting-for-the-life-of-the-show#8mfPTRsf7ZPMwOp4.99

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What is the motivation for the girls joining the GR? Don't really get that.

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This is my only big complaint of the show. The GR just are miserable f's with no logic. The first part of the episode I hated because it was just the GR. I just want to see everyone of them stoned to death.

Once Kevin "died" the episode took a much better turn and was really good.

"You're home" F! That was a great line.

I will definitely be awaiting season 3 with anticipation. The show took a huge turn to the positive. However I will be waiting with trepidation too as the reason season 2 was so much better was because of the shift in focus away from the GR to a large extent. Patti remained but it was a focused storyline. I fear if the GR and Meg are a big part of Season 3 then that means shifting backwards to me.

What are the odds there is ever a second departure?

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This is my only big complaint of the show. The GR just are miserable f's with no logic. The first part of the episode I hated because it was just the GR. I just want to see everyone of them stoned to death.

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Lindelof sort of discusses that in the interview with Sepinwall. Says the GR isn't even a religion yet. No organization. They don't know who they are. There's no rule book. It's basically like "Occupy Wall Street" or something.

They portray the GR like that intentionally. As for why the girls joined the GR...if you couldn't figure out why Evie did after last night, then I don't know what to tell you.

John was abused by Erica's dad a long time ago. John did very bad things and paid the price for them. While gone, Erica tried to act like nothing happened, to the detriment of Michael and Evie. Evie basically becomes unattached from all feelings of family and reasoning.

After the departure, it probably makes her feel even more justified when she watches so many families around the world lose people with no explanation.

Dad comes home, or is home, but he's not really. He's a changed man. Drinks all the time and has a horrible temper. Can't ever let anything go.

She had no true family support other than from her brother, who shared her issues in a way(but he sort of had a "therapist" in Virgil who he could go visit and talk to). Her parents never understood anything, and never took the time to try to understand her. They lived a charade, so she decided to live a charade as well, until she was able to hatch a plan to get back at them, because everyone in their charade of a town basically refuses to accept that tragedy (of any kind-not just departure) DOES happen in Jarden, so she's going to help them remember.

Occupy WS is a decent equivalent, but I still think Westboro Baptists are the best real life example....The GR is pretty much equally evil and hateful, even in the face of those grieving loss. Them showing up at the 3 year remembrance day and at the school for Christmas last season are both WB-like things to do. Now, parts of it are unrealistic, like getting away with sneaking into peoples houses/stealing photos. I also think it would be hard for a group like this in "real life" to commit to not speaking, even to one another.

Yeah I think he compared Occupy (and not WBC) to speak to its disorganization. It's just a bunch of people doing whatever, depending on region, but all have a vague "reason" for why they are doing it. Many have no idea why they are doing it.

WBC has very clear-cut objectives and goals, and is unified around an agreed and accepted narrative.

Also WBC is peanuts and very small potatoes, versus Occupy, which was able to attract tons of loons from all over for basically no reason other than a less angry Howard Beale "mad as hell" sort of mentality.

Little disappointed. I think we were all promised c4 and exploding daughters. Was hoping rapey meg had something more sinister plotted aside from the whole opening up Jardin.

And we still didn't get an explanation of the nude girls running through the woods.

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1. Girls displaying grouped odd behavior as to set them apart from the rest to show their transition to the GR

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2. NOW THIS IS IMPORTANT. A chance to show some T&A.

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And we still didn't get an explanation of the nude girls running through the woods.

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Read the article with Sepinwall. Lindelof usually doesn't do these types of interviews because he doesn't feel the need to "explain" everything for the audience. But he did touch on it.


I'll crop his response to it..


In hindsight, the girls riding silently in the car makes perfect sense: they're in the Guilty Remnant. The Guilty Remnant does not, however, tend to run naked through the woods.

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At the time, both of those scenes were clues that something else was going on with the girls, but in hindsight, only one of them ties into them being with the GR. Do you want to talk at all about the naked sprint?

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Damon Lindelof: I want to talk about it but I'm not going to talk about it. All I will say is there's a significant amount of intentionality in what we did. All I'll say is, (Tom) Perrotta and I spoke a lot about this, and Reza Aslan, our resident religious expert, spent a lot of time talking about what I'm about to say, which is that the observance of religion, particularly when it is first forming, in its nascent state, there's all sorts of things happening and shifting and calcifying, and people raising their hands and saying, "Well, what if we did this? Could we do this?" We see some of that in episode 9 when Meg asks, "Why can't we talk? Why can't we be violent? I thought our function as a religion was to remind people the Departure happened, and I'm going to do it my way if that's okay." All I'll say is that teenagers are the most likely to deviate from, or significantly amend what would be perceived as religious practice, and what could be done under that headline. That is the very hazy way of me answering your question. We all have a very specific idea of what the Guilty Remnant does and how the Guilty Remnant behaves based solely on our observation of the Mapleton chapter. All I'll say is the Guilty Remnant isn't even a religion yet; it's like Occupy Wall Street. There's no rulebook, no Talmud, no Torah, no Koran, there's nothing. There's just individuals deciding what to do when they wake up in the morning.

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I think it's a pretty fair answer, and one that probably flows well. Teenagers would deviate and do something we don't "expect' from the rest of the GR. It's also why Meg used the teenage girls instead of older veteran GR members to pull off the bridge stunt and entrance into Jarden. the older members of the GR dont' see eye to eye with Meg and her ways.

At the very least, it goes to show how meticulous this team is. They aren't just putting things out there to do it.

That basically ties into what chipotle said on his 1st point. It was further layers to show the girls deviating.

Meg and Evie had an obvious connection, and I missed the significance when it occurred. The baby carrot exchange. Evie knew how to stop crying, the blank stare Evie had, Meg's similar experience of not losing anyone but being lost, living a fake life, etc.

With Patti, it became obvious she was hiding her pain and trying to inflict it on others - a pain similar to Meg's and Evie's. Their lives were in tatters not because of a departure, but because of ****ty family. Evie's brother touches on this in his speech at the church... That they may not had had departures, but that they're still not spared. The GR don't have the emotional tools to move on, so they don't want others to either. They are searching for a way to ease their pain. Patti thought family didn't matter and wanted to destroy it because it was the source of her pain. Meg thinks family is everything because it is the source of her pain. Maybe her plan is evolving to force families to remember how important it is by causing the appearance of a threat to it (bomb on bus, the girls). Meg also obviously wants to inflict pain. The GR is evolving. It's a coping mechanism, a way to find an explanation, a way to feel better. Similar to other religions. Perhaps the next evolution is led by the girls and it's a return to a more primitive form of living (caveman / naked running scene). Caveman scene also reminded me that was another earthquake death/rebirth event.

So running naked thru the woods is how they baptized themselves into the GR.

The Guilty Remnant protestors outside HBO today protesting for HBO to renew the show!!!!

Well done!

http://flavorwire.com/550424/the-guilty-remnant-makes-pilgrimage-from-tv-to-reality-to-demand-more-episodes-of-the-leftovers?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_campaign=FlavorwireSocial

The show is cancelled