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I completely agree. I have no idea where this "if they don't show the death on screen, don't trust it" line of thinking comes from. It's certainly something I could see them doing at some point, but until they do, I'm not going to consider it a possibility.

Jon is dead. Whether or not he gets brought back is another question.

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seriously? It's been pretty much a staple of episodic television from the beginning.

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A part of this series?

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Sounds like GRRM will be just as surprised as we are when Syrio shows back up, because he will.

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What other major recurring characters have died off screen? I can't think of any.

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I think the people holding on to the dead people in this thing are chasing rabbits.

Show me one person that they "resurrected" a season later....or 2 seasons later....or 3 seasons later.... They haven't show us any "SURPRISE" moments like that. The Mountain got poisoned, but literally the next episode, the Maester is telling Cersei that he thinks he may be able to save him. The guy that the Hound cut open that was brought back to life, was brought back to life 5 minutes later in the same episode. There haven't been any out of the blue, call back type moments of people you saw die on the show (or even alluded to being dead) that 3 seasons later, and on the other side of the world, they pop up and say "See.....they didn't really kill me!!!"

The only one that I've waffled on with this is the Blackfish (Cat's uncle) who they made a pretty obvious show of sending him out of the room before the massacre went down.

But this crud about the Hound, Stannis, Syrio, etc., to me, is reaching beyond reaching.


Edit to add: I'm holding my thoughts on Jon for now. My theory above could still stand if next season in episode one the Red Witch runs over to him and brings him back to life (next episode, same day in the timeline).

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What other major recurring characters have died off screen? I can't think of any.

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Arya's dancing instructor, The Hound and Stannis

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What other major recurring characters have died off screen? I can't think of any.

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Arya's dancing instructor, The Hound and Stannis

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He could have stolen a sword from one of the 5 Kings Guard he knocked out.

Seriously, it's far fetched... but it's not THAT far fetched. Just a little more crazy than it being accepted as fact that Jon Snow will be resurrected by Mel and the Lord of Light.

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Read my post on the subject of John Snow. He is dead until they show me otherwise.

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Yup. He's dead. Dead is dead. Dead as a doornail. Assuming room temperature.

Until he gets brought back. In which case he will be alive.

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You know now that I think about it, we never actually saw Peter Gregory die...

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And if Stannis, The Hound, and Syrio aren't back alive and roaming he country side next season, are you going to say, "Wait until season 7......I need to see the body before its confirmed!!!!"

You know what, you didn't see Lysa Arryn actually strike the rocks when Littlefinger threw her out of the hole in the floor either. Maybe she sprouted wings and flew off halfway through her fall!!!!

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You have no reason to believe that he is dead besides he fact that he was bleeding out from his leg and someone was swinging a sword toward his head. Other than that, no reason.

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And if Stannis, The Hound, and Syrio aren't back alive and roaming he country side next season, are you going to say, "Wait until season 7......I need to see the body before its confirmed!!!!"

You know what, you didn't see Lysa Arryn actually strike the rocks when Littlefinger threw her out of the hole in the floor either. Maybe she sprouted wings and flew off halfway through her fall!!!!

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Not at all; but based on how the producers handle the death of other major characters (yes, I'd say The Hound was a major character; no, Syrio is not) you are being intentionally obtuse if you don't at least question if they are actually dead.

At the end of the series if they never come back to Stannis or The Hound I'm not going to go banging on GRRM's and the producer's doors begging to know if they are alive or not. I probably won't even think about them for a while and then just go "huh...guess those guys did die. Oh well, on to my next show"; but at this point I have no reason to believe either of them are dead.

I'm not sure how anyone can accept the producers saying that Stannis is dead and those chose not to show it because it would be "too gruesome". Stannis getting beheaded would be too gruesome; but watching Joffrey's veins pop and blood pour from his eyes, Janos Slynt's body shooting blood as his head falls to the ground, Oberyn get his skull crushed, Meryn Trant get stabbed all over his body by Arya, Shireen scream as she was burned alive, and all the other characters who we've seen have blood pour from their throats getting cut was all just fine.

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There's also speculation about whether Stannis is truly dead. We didn't see Brienne deliver that final, fatal blow.

Director: I think that was basically in the script. Dan and David felt it best not to be gratuitous with that. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne's life-long mission had come to an end. It's a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die. It would have been gratuitous.

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And if Stannis, The Hound, and Syrio aren't back alive and roaming he country side next season, are you going to say, "Wait until season 7......I need to see the body before its confirmed!!!!"

You know what, you didn't see Lysa Arryn actually strike the rocks when Littlefinger threw her out of the hole in the floor either. Maybe she sprouted wings and flew off halfway through her fall!!!!

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Not at all; but based on how the producers handle the death of other major characters (yes, I'd say The Hound was a major character; no, Syrio is not) you are being intentionally obtuse if you don't at least question if they are actually dead.

At the end of the series if they never come back to Stannis or The Hound I'm not going to go banging on GRRM's and the producer's doors begging to know if they are alive or not. I probably won't even think about them for a while and then just go "huh...guess those guys did die. Oh well, on to my next show"; but at this point I have no reason to believe either of them are dead.

I'm not sure how anyone can accept the producers saying that Stannis is dead and those chose not to show it because it would be "too gruesome". Stannis getting beheaded would be too gruesome; but watching Joffrey's veins pop and blood pour from his eyes, Janos Slynt's body shooting blood as his head falls to the ground, Oberyn get his skull crushed, Meryn Trant get stabbed all over his body by Arya, Shireen scream as she was burned alive, and all the other characters who we've seen have blood pour from their throats getting cut was all just fine.

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There's also speculation about whether Stannis is truly dead. We didn't see Brienne deliver that final, fatal blow.

Director: I think that was basically in the script. Dan and David felt it best not to be gratuitous with that. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne's life-long mission had come to an end. It's a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die. It would have been gratuitous.

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gratuitous means "uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted."
gruesome means "causing repulsion or horror; grisly."

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And if Stannis, The Hound, and Syrio aren't back alive and roaming he country side next season, are you going to say, "Wait until season 7......I need to see the body before its confirmed!!!!"

You know what, you didn't see Lysa Arryn actually strike the rocks when Littlefinger threw her out of the hole in the floor either. Maybe she sprouted wings and flew off halfway through her fall!!!!

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Not at all; but based on how the producers handle the death of other major characters (yes, I'd say The Hound was a major character; no, Syrio is not) you are being intentionally obtuse if you don't at least question if they are actually dead.

At the end of the series if they never come back to Stannis or The Hound I'm not going to go banging on GRRM's and the producer's doors begging to know if they are alive or not. I probably won't even think about them for a while and then just go "huh...guess those guys did die. Oh well, on to my next show"; but at this point I have no reason to believe either of them are dead.

I'm not sure how anyone can accept the producers saying that Stannis is dead and those chose not to show it because it would be "too gruesome". Stannis getting beheaded would be too gruesome; but watching Joffrey's veins pop and blood pour from his eyes, Janos Slynt's body shooting blood as his head falls to the ground, Oberyn get his skull crushed, Meryn Trant get stabbed all over his body by Arya, Shireen scream as she was burned alive, and all the other characters who we've seen have blood pour from their throats getting cut was all just fine.

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who said it was "too gruesome"???.....producers/director just said it was unnecessary.

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There's also speculation about whether Stannis is truly dead. We didn't see Brienne deliver that final, fatal blow.

Director: I think that was basically in the script. Dan and David felt it best not to be gratuitous with that. You really got a sense that Stannis had nothing else to live for. Brienne's life-long mission had come to an end. It's a situation in which Stannis was ready to die and prepared to die. It would have been gratuitous.

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gratuitous means "uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted."
gruesome means "causing repulsion or horror; grisly."

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My bad...I got one word wrong, there goes my entire argument. I'll go back and change it for you.

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yes but your entire argument was he may be alive because they don't shy away from showing gruesome (horrific) deaths.....implying they did not show it in order to make it possible he was spared......thats not the reason they left it out.....

it CAN be simply a stylistic thing...and the Director may not have even intended what the Editor did with it which was make a quick "cut" from that to Ramsay doing the same thing to another victim....and they showed that. It obviously wasn't because it was too gruesome....it was kind of a clever shot to me. And the end result was the same in both - the victim was dead.

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