quote:Doesn't mean anything if you have 100k wildling army.quote:Night's watch don't take part in wars. They're opn the side that guards the wall.quote:You might could argue that Jon Snow could rally up the wildlings and the Knights Watch too, if needed.
I was listening to a GoT podcast yesterday and it made a great point. The Starks are now in much better position than the Lannisters.
As Ol Jock mentioned, Jamie's life is in the crapper. Cersei is desperately clinging on to the little power she has left as Queen Mother, but it's a mirage that will quickly disappear now that Margaery outranks her. King Tommen is a Baratheon as far as anyone knows. And Tyrion is on his way to Mereen to ally himself with Danaerys.
In short, their power (and gold) is gone.
The Starks, on the other hand:
Sansa is a few moves away from being Wardeness of the North. Even if married to Ramsay, the North's true allegiance will lie with the last remaining Stark. Arya is becoming a faceless assassin that could potentially become "invisible" in Westeros. She could strategically kill whoever she needs to kill and reveal herself once it's safe to do so. Bran can warg into animals. He will warg into a dragon at some point, we all know this.
All the momentum is on the Starks' side. The only question is, who will they ally with once Stannis and Dany make their move.
Edit: Not sure who Jon Snow would ally with, if anyone, but he definitely as pull with those two groups..
quote:Stannis! He's lordy as crap, and still calling himself king
I also wonder if it's a coincidence that the people who seem to hold power, a strategic position, or seem to be integral to where the story is going are: women, a crippled kid, an imp, a man from a poor family, and ******* children. Rather than the many noble men that are around.
I'm sure it is. Just found it interesting when I thought about it.
quote:Dany would like a word with you.
That's true. Though one can argue he seems to be influenced heavily by the Red Woman. I don't know about Stannis in terms of the big picture though. I'm not convinced he can go the distance.
And he technically is the rightful king. In fact, he's the only one that has a true claim to the Iron Throne.
quote:quote:Dany would like a word with you.
That's true. Though one can argue he seems to be influenced heavily by the Red Woman. I don't know about Stannis in terms of the big picture though. I'm not convinced he can go the distance.
And he technically is the rightful king. In fact, he's the only one that has a true claim to the Iron Throne.
quote:He's the best military commander left in Westeros, and has a capable mounted army. If he can gain some support in the north and take Winterfell. Then, give Winterfell to Sansa while expelling the Boltons. He'll have Robb Starks army, and his military experience.
That's true. Though one can argue he seems to be influenced heavily by the Red Woman. I don't know about Stannis in terms of the big picture though. I'm not convinced he can go the distance.
And he technically is the rightful king. In fact, he's the only one that has a true claim to the Iron Throne.
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Nah, Red Priestess will kill Stannis' wife and then the two Red women will set up a blind date between Dany and Stannis.
Done deal.
quote:Good catch. I didn't see that part. I just know that right now Stannis has the birthright, a powerful army, and the backing of the iron bank. If Melisandre abandons him though, that'll do him in.
I'm not convinced Stannis is it. In the last episode, when Stannis asked Mel what she wanted to do she said, "To serve my lord," or some such thing. She was looking at John Snow when she said it, and in the next scene she tried to get to know John a bit better.
Not a book reader, so I could be way off, but that scripting seemed too intentional. I think it's Stannis out, Snow in sometime soon.
quote:Yeah, it wouldn't be much of a thrilling ending. Dany needs to take her dragons, team up with Jon/Bran, and save the realm from white walkers and the Knights King. Then, she/they? can go on to be rulers.
Stannis may take the north, Westeros, etc. before he's done, but there's no damn way that Martin is dumb enough to leave him in charge in the end. He's just not someone that the majority of readers would ever root for, and good books need satisfying endings.
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Dany's claim to the Iron Throne: last remaining child of the Targaryen dynasty that reigned for 200 years
Stannis' claim to the Iron Throne: oldest sibling of King Robert Baratheon who had no legitimate children. Baratheon overthrew the Targaryen Mad King who attempted to burn King's Landing to the ground in his final act (according to Jamie Lannister).
Tie-breaker? Ser Barristan Selmy *chose* to go serve Dany, right? He was known as an honorable and loyal member of the Kingsguard. He served the Targaryens and Baratheon. When Joffrey had him exiled him he chose Dany, not Stannnis.
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Self imposed. Cersei was going to give him a little castle.
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Self imposed. Cersei was going to give him a little castle.
Ah gotcha. Been awhile since I watched the beginning. Thanks.
quote:This, plus she is an insufferable ***** that I wish would be roasted to death by one of her dragons.
Her family lost the battle for the throne, and she ran for her life to the east. She has no more right to the throne at the moment than Tommen, in my mind. But that's just how I view the whole Targaryens getting beat part of the story. Dany has to win the throne back to have her claim (and therefore status as Queen of Westeros) restored.
quote:So?
Dany's claim to the Iron Throne: last remaining child of the Targaryen dynasty that reigned for 200 years
Stannis' claim to the Iron Throne: oldest sibling of King Robert Baratheon who had no legitimate children. Baratheon overthrew the Targaryen Mad King who attempted to burn King's Landing to the ground in his final act (according to Jamie Lannister).
Tie-breaker? Ser Barristan Selmy *chose* to go serve Dany, right? He was known as an honorable and loyal member of the Kingsguard. He served the Targaryens and Baratheon. When Joffrey had him exiled him he chose Dany, not Stannnis.
quote:quote:This, plus she is an insufferable ***** that I wish would be roasted to death by one of her dragons.
Her family lost the battle for the throne, and she ran for her life to the east. She has no more right to the throne at the moment than Tommen, in my mind. But that's just how I view the whole Targaryens getting beat part of the story. Dany has to win the throne back to have her claim (and therefore status as Queen of Westeros) restored.
Entitled brat who has a naive worldview.
quote:quote:quote:This, plus she is an insufferable ***** that I wish would be roasted to death by one of her dragons.
Her family lost the battle for the throne, and she ran for her life to the east. She has no more right to the throne at the moment than Tommen, in my mind. But that's just how I view the whole Targaryens getting beat part of the story. Dany has to win the throne back to have her claim (and therefore status as Queen of Westeros) restored.
Entitled brat who has a naive worldview.
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Yeah, Viserys might have been too crazy to lead, but after the first son of the harpy killed one if his soldiers he'd have murdered the whole town.
quote:Dany is never awesome.
I like reading the posts about Dany. It follows the same cycle as every season progresses:
Dany is dumb
Dany is dumb
Dany does dumb shht
Dany does dumb shht
DANY IS AWESOME!!
