You guys need to just battle it out already.
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I loved Kang. I loved the movie.
****, I just saw where TCTTS said the same guy that wrote Quantummania will write The Kang Dynasty. After seeing Quantummania last night then reading this my expectations for the Marvel future just dropped significantly.
On the bright side, at least nobody is talking about Evangeline Lilly's hair anymore
ENDGAME brought everything to a conclusion. Then cinemas locked down for a year. This broke the spell the MCU had on cinemagoing habits. Last year MAVERICK & AVATAR 2 upped the ante on blockbuster expectations. Going back to the MCU now is like moving back home with your parents https://t.co/VSWOlMgWWp
— Jesse Hawken (@jessehawken) February 16, 2023
Wow. I wasn’t expecting an A, but I thought QUANTUMANIA would at least get a B+ since I presumed audiences would find it more accessible than something like ETERNALS. Guess not.
— Adam Klay (@AKlay19) February 18, 2023
So the only MCU movies to be Rotten on RT are also the only ones to have a CinemaScore as low as a B. https://t.co/sTrmBvMKKO
MODOK isjackie childs said:
On the bright side, at least nobody is talking about Evangeline Lilly's hair anymore
Whelp….now going into this thing tonight with….
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Quantumania will be far better than Catwoman or Green Lantern.TCTTS said:Wow. I wasn’t expecting an A, but I thought QUANTUMANIA would at least get a B+ since I presumed audiences would find it more accessible than something like ETERNALS. Guess not.
— Adam Klay (@AKlay19) February 18, 2023
So the only MCU movies to be Rotten on RT are also the only ones to have a CinemaScore as low as a B. https://t.co/sTrmBvMKKO
Yeah, no way most of those listed are getting a B in 2023.
You can throw Electra in there as well. Without even seeing this movie can guarantee it's nothing like those three….
Catwoman was so bad. Not even peak Halle Berry in leather and spandex could save that movie.
$46 million opening day for Ant-Man 3. right on par with Ragnarok, which came out in November '17.
Watched it w/ my 16 year son and wife last night and we liked it. I think people have set the bar way to high for MCU movie due to some amazing Phase III movies.
Positive:
Kang
MODOK
Multi-verse expansion and even the quantum realm.
Cassie Lang actress
Paul Rudd being Paul Rudd
Decent humor that didn't feel the need to hit you with jokes every scene. (Looking at you Thor)
Negative:
Wasp both.. both actress under deliver and I am a huge fan of Michelle .. but she was acting very stiff
Logic jumps.. few moments did not seem to flow.. won't spoil them but you will notice them.
No Pena.. seriously he could have been hanging out as Uncle .. and also gone to the Quantum realm.. it would have been cool to have a scene were the mind reader went into his head .. and we get a full explanation of the Avengers .. in Pena style.
Overall B .. not the best but a solid movie. .. if this had come out in 2000, it would have made no sense.. but it would have been a top film.
Positive:
Kang
MODOK
Multi-verse expansion and even the quantum realm.
Cassie Lang actress
Paul Rudd being Paul Rudd
Decent humor that didn't feel the need to hit you with jokes every scene. (Looking at you Thor)
Negative:
Wasp both.. both actress under deliver and I am a huge fan of Michelle .. but she was acting very stiff
Logic jumps.. few moments did not seem to flow.. won't spoil them but you will notice them.
No Pena.. seriously he could have been hanging out as Uncle .. and also gone to the Quantum realm.. it would have been cool to have a scene were the mind reader went into his head .. and we get a full explanation of the Avengers .. in Pena style.
Overall B .. not the best but a solid movie. .. if this had come out in 2000, it would have made no sense.. but it would have been a top film.
We have a spoiler thread.
jeffk said:
We have three spoiler threads.
This is where I'm at. Kang might very well end up being a great villain, but waiting so damn long to introduce him was a mistake. I know people said we needed a palette cleanse after Endgame, and I agree, but not an entire palette cleansing phase. Two, three movies tops would have done the trick. Granted, we got a Kang intro/tease relatively early in Phase 4, in the Loki season finale, but that was in a TV show, not a movie, and then they didn't mention him again for years…
Feige did a lot wrong post-ENDGAME, but the biggest might be how badly he underestimated the need to create a clear new hook to keep people interested. Instead, we got a bunch of awkward low-stake standalones––fourteen of them!––with no real vision. Kang is too little too late. pic.twitter.com/3h3pmAmHQb
— Brendan Hodges (@metaplexmovies) February 18, 2023
$100 to the charity of the winner's choice.TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:
I'd bet you just about anything that The Marvels ends up being one of the MCU's lowest total box office earners.
Here's the list of MCU box office all-time global takes. I'm not sure what you mean by "one of the lowest" exactly, but the 10th-lowest is Antman and the Wasp at $623 million worldwide.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od5
TCTTS said:
This is where I'm at. Kang might very well end up being a great villain, but waiting so damn long to introduce him was a mistake. I know people said we needed a palette cleanse after Endgame, and I agree, but not an entire palette cleansing phase. Two, three movies tops would have done the trick. Granted, we got a Kang intro/tease relatively early in Phase 4, in the Loki season finale, but that was in a TV show, not a movie, and then they didn't mention him again for years…Feige did a lot wrong post-ENDGAME, but the biggest might be how badly he underestimated the need to create a clear new hook to keep people interested. Instead, we got a bunch of awkward low-stake standalones––fourteen of them!––with no real vision. Kang is too little too late. pic.twitter.com/3h3pmAmHQb
— Brendan Hodges (@metaplexmovies) February 18, 2023
Not long ago a lot of posters on this board were claiming that Phase 1 took a long time to build up and introduce Thanos so everyone should just chill out because Phase 4 was playing out just like Phase 1. I know I wasn't the only one arguing against that but I was one of a few stating exactly what that tweet did - that Phase 1 did NOT take long to introduce Thanos. That a huge issue with Phase 4 was the lack of one coherent threat to pull all of these random new heroes together and give the viewer a reason to root for them to come together.
Sorry, but Phase 4 was a misfire, and I'm someone who loves the MCU and am really rooting for them to get back on track.
The Porkchop Express said:$100 to the charity of the winner's choice.TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:
I'd bet you just about anything that The Marvels ends up being one of the MCU's lowest total box office earners.
Here's the list of MCU box office all-time global takes. I'm not sure what you mean by "one of the lowest" exactly, but the 10th-lowest is Antman and the Wasp at $623 million worldwide.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od5
All said and done, The Marvels will definitely be below Ant-Man and the Wasp / $623M worldwide. I'm going to say it'll make more than Thor ($449M ww), but somewhere under Ant-Man and the Wasp. I don't know how, exactly, you want to define the bet, but whatever it is, I'll likely take it.
FL_Ag1998 said:TCTTS said:
This is where I'm at. Kang might very well end up being a great villain, but waiting so damn long to introduce him was a mistake. I know people said we needed a palette cleanse after Endgame, and I agree, but not an entire palette cleansing phase. Two, three movies tops would have done the trick. Granted, we got a Kang intro/tease relatively early in Phase 4, in the Loki season finale, but that was in a TV show, not a movie, and then they didn't mention him again for years…Feige did a lot wrong post-ENDGAME, but the biggest might be how badly he underestimated the need to create a clear new hook to keep people interested. Instead, we got a bunch of awkward low-stake standalones––fourteen of them!––with no real vision. Kang is too little too late. pic.twitter.com/3h3pmAmHQb
— Brendan Hodges (@metaplexmovies) February 18, 2023
Not long ago a lot of posters on this board were claiming that Phase 1 took a long time to build up and introduce Thanos so everyone should just chill out because Phase 4 was playing out just like Phase 1. I know I wasn't the only one arguing against that but I was one of a few stating exactly what that tweet did - that Phase 1 did NOT take long to introduce Thanos. That a huge issue with Phase 4 was the lack of one coherent threat to pull all of these random new heroes together and give the viewer a reason to root for them to come together.
Sorry, but Phase 4 was a misfire, and I'm someone who loves the MCU and am really rooting for them to get back on track.
Was/Am right there with, and people here were giving me sh*t just the same for voicing as much at the time. That said, also like you, I'm absolutely rooting for a return to form. The main reason I'm disappointed is *because* I love the MCU so much, and want to see it succeed again.
how about $570 million worldwide?TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:$100 to the charity of the winner's choice.TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:
I'd bet you just about anything that The Marvels ends up being one of the MCU's lowest total box office earners.
Here's the list of MCU box office all-time global takes. I'm not sure what you mean by "one of the lowest" exactly, but the 10th-lowest is Antman and the Wasp at $623 million worldwide.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od5
All said and done, The Marvels will definitely be below Ant-Man and the Wasp / $623M worldwide. I'm going to say it'll make more than Thor ($449M ww), but somewhere under Ant-Man and the Wasp. I don't know how, exactly, you want to define the bet, but whatever it is, I'll likely take it.
Thanos was first teased in Ultron, right?
I've still enjoyed a lot of the phase four shows/films, but the lack of forward progress towards something definitely dampened enthusiasm among moviegoers. A miscalculation in planning for sure.
I've still enjoyed a lot of the phase four shows/films, but the lack of forward progress towards something definitely dampened enthusiasm among moviegoers. A miscalculation in planning for sure.
The Porkchop Express said:how about $570 million worldwide?TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:$100 to the charity of the winner's choice.TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:
I'd bet you just about anything that The Marvels ends up being one of the MCU's lowest total box office earners.
Here's the list of MCU box office all-time global takes. I'm not sure what you mean by "one of the lowest" exactly, but the 10th-lowest is Antman and the Wasp at $623 million worldwide.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od5
All said and done, The Marvels will definitely be below Ant-Man and the Wasp / $623M worldwide. I'm going to say it'll make more than Thor ($449M ww), but somewhere under Ant-Man and the Wasp. I don't know how, exactly, you want to define the bet, but whatever it is, I'll likely take it.
$585M and you have a deal. That's Iron Man's worldwide. I say The Marvels will do less than that.
Thanos was in the mid-credit scene in the first Avengers movie.jeffk said:
Thanos was first teased in Ultron, right?
I've still enjoyed a lot of the phase four shows/films, but the lack of forward progress towards something definitely dampened enthusiasm among moviegoers. A miscalculation in planning for sure.
Ah, that's right. Thanks.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Thanos was in the mid-credit scene in the first Avengers movie.jeffk said:
Thanos was first teased in Ultron, right?
I've still enjoyed a lot of the phase four shows/films, but the lack of forward progress towards something definitely dampened enthusiasm among moviegoers. A miscalculation in planning for sure.
Exactly. Only 6 movies into their brand new movie universe and Marvel was showing us not only that there was a big baddie but who he was. Plus those first 5 movies (Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Capt America) had the connective tissue of SHIELD running through them to keep the audience hooked and clued into something bigger happening in the background.
Phase Four had a total of 15 shows and movies with no connective tissue between them and only 1 whiff of the bad guy. And that really wasn't a whiff of the big baddie to be honest, it was actually designed to be an intro to the multiverse.
FL_Ag1998 said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Thanos was in the mid-credit scene in the first Avengers movie.jeffk said:
Thanos was first teased in Ultron, right?
I've still enjoyed a lot of the phase four shows/films, but the lack of forward progress towards something definitely dampened enthusiasm among moviegoers. A miscalculation in planning for sure.
Exactly. Only 6 movies into their brand new movie universe and Marvel was showing us not only that there was a big baddie but who he was. Plus those first 5 movies (Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, Capt America) had the connective tissue of SHIELD running through them to keep the audience hooked and clued into something bigger happening in the background.
Phase Four had a total of 15 shows and movies with no connective tissue between them and only 1 whiff of the bad guy. And that really wasn't a whiff of the big baddie to be honest, it was actually designed to be an intro to the multiverse.
I will reserve judgement but I feel like they are running three saga at the same time. The problem is that we don't have something bringing these 3 events together.. it feels so disjointed right now.. but maybe the link will be reveal and we are just missing it.
SAGA 1: The Multiverse Saga that main villian is Kang
Wandavision -- introduce the Darkhold and some multiverse conversations
What If? -- got to explore the multi-verse
Loki - meet Kang for the first time
Ms Marvel - reference multi-verse being
Spiderman: No Way Home - first real introduction of multi-verse
Doctor Strange: In the Multiverse of Madness -- ok now we learn more how this works
SAGA 2: Creation of the Thunderbolt Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine as the main connection (Julia Louis Dreyfus character)
Black Widow - introduce Valentina for the first time to the movie audience
Falcon and the Winter Soldier - shows Valentina recruiting US Agent into her group
Hawkeye - Valentina hires Black widow to go after Hawkeye
Black Panther 2 - learn more about who and what she is
She Hulk - introduce another element that Valentina wants (leads to the Thunderbolt)
SAGA 3: Cosmic Universe
Shang Chi -- the rings came up as being a cosmic weapon .. similar to stones
Moon Knight - meet the Egyptian gods
Eternals -- introduce Celestials and more of the cosmic lore
Thor -- Love and Thunder .. meet the gods and other celestial beings
Guardian of the Galaxy Holiday Special
No idea but enjoyable to all
Werewolf by Night
One of the usual Marvel leakers is saying that Tom Holland will be the lead in Kang Dynasty
In addition Spiderman 4 has been signed and that it will come out before Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars
In addition Spiderman 4 has been signed and that it will come out before Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars
Quick no spoiler note, but Quantumania was way more fun than I expected from the reviews. Little more serious than the others in the series but well paced, some fun action sequences, really fantastic art direction in the quantum realm, and Jonathan Majors is absolutely compelling every moment he's on screen.
For the record, this is about where I am as well, and posted my expanded thoughts in the spoiler thread.
Put me down for the Marvels easily outgrossing* Ant-Man & the Wasp.
Sorry I didn't see your message. That's a deal. If you want to back out, please consider that Kamala Khan is Marvel's first-ever Muslim superhero, and there are 1.9 billion Muslims on this planet.TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:how about $570 million worldwide?TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:$100 to the charity of the winner's choice.TCTTS said:The Porkchop Express said:
I'd bet you just about anything that The Marvels ends up being one of the MCU's lowest total box office earners.
Here's the list of MCU box office all-time global takes. I'm not sure what you mean by "one of the lowest" exactly, but the 10th-lowest is Antman and the Wasp at $623 million worldwide.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od5
All said and done, The Marvels will definitely be below Ant-Man and the Wasp / $623M worldwide. I'm going to say it'll make more than Thor ($449M ww), but somewhere under Ant-Man and the Wasp. I don't know how, exactly, you want to define the bet, but whatever it is, I'll likely take it.
$585M and you have a deal. That's Iron Man's worldwide. I say The Marvels will do less than that.
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