kerrag06 said:

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Does you guys really think all the people at Marvel who have shaped EVERYTHING just gave the keys to some random guy to drive the car? Seriously? I 100% guarantee Feige and Alonso,etc know exactly what they want, how they want it, and when they want it. They might allow this guy to add to it some and help with the presentation, but to say he's running the show story wise??? That's just absolutely, well… INSANE. He MIGHT be the driver of a fully automated car with the final destination pre-programmed- and any stops along the way for the matter as well. DC is an absolute wreck. It's more likely that Marvel paid Gunn millions to sabotage DC than to think he's going to make it better than marvel. DC is an absolute joke right now. And I personally think their plan moving forward is about 20 times dumber than letting a up and coming writer semi-assist your pre-set stories. And that's coming from a guy who will be at every single DC opening night premiere just praying they will get better. I laugh out loud every time I see the Shazam preview- including last night before Ant Man. But, that's just my opinion. I'm wrong PLENTY! I do like the Flash preview so far. But hearing Gunn removed all the continuity cameos from the Flash just seems ridiculous. What's even the point of releasing the movie other than just make some cash.

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The Porkchop Express said:

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DC going to take down Marvel with "them" whose main super power is getting arrested, plus a Batman who hated the last two Batman movies he was in, and maybe 20 minutes of Keaton Batman nostalgia. while tossing the immensely popular Gal Gadot and Henry Cavil on the scrap heap.

You're b*tching about a number of things that have absolutely nothing to do with the story/writing/direction, and whether or not the movie itself is good. Also, I'm sure Gunn has his reasons for cutting Gadot and Cavil, which have everything to do with him liking this movie so much that he's using to help set up his new DCU going forward.

And they're taking 3-1/2 years to release the sequel to The Batman.

Three years between sequels used to be the norm. It was three years between each of the first six Star Wars movies, three years between Batman and Batman Returns, FOUR years between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, four years between TDK and TDKR, three years minimum between Mission: Impossible movies (if not FIVE between III and IV), three to four years between the last three Bond movies, etc, etc. I could go on and on. I, for one, am so incredibly glad Reeves is taking his time to get the story right/isn't rushing it. More importantly, I'm glad that *DC* isn't rushing him. Wheres Marvel sets dates and then forces writers to meet those dates, script completion/quality be damned, Gunn is on the record as saying the script comes first in the DCU, and no movie will be going forward without a great script locked. Not to mention, either later this year or early 2024 we're getting eight episodes of a series that will bridge the gap between The Batman and The Batman Part II.

And they're releasing Blue Beetle and Shazaam this year with no indiciation of any future of either character. Blue Beetle comes out in 6 months and I haven't seen anything but a poster with a logo on it. I'd wager 99% of the country has no idea what it is.

Most movies nowadays don't advertise any earlier than six months out. Hell, most don't advertise more than three months out. Either way, I don't get what your point is. We all know these characters aren't likely to continue under the DCU, and we're talking more 2025 and beyond, when the MCU and DCU are each at full force, truly going head to head.

Meanwhile Marvel has GOTG3 which everyone will see, The Marvels - which every white woman, black woman, and teenage girl will see 3 times based on its star power,

You're kidding yourself if you think "every white woman, black woman, and teenage girl will see 3 times based on its star power," re: The Marvels. Larson is hardly a box office draw, and the other two leads are essentially no-names. Hell, I can't even name the other two actresses of the top of my head. Female fans of superheroes will see it, sure, but outside of that, I'd bet you just about anything that The Marvels ends up being one of the MCU's lowest total box office earners.

then Deadpool 3 which everyone on the planet will pay or sneak into, and then a true version (hopefully) of the Fantastic Four. And somewhere down the line I suspect an Avengers movie with Strange, Spider-Man, Scarlett Witch, new Cap, Winter Soldier, maybe a little more Thor, maybe a few of the GOTG, Shang Chi, Wong, Loki, the Fantastic Four, and I'd wager good money, the debut of the X-Men.

Again, written by a former Jimmy Kimmel Live! staffer. I'm sorry if that doesn't give me much hope. Also, that character line-up doesn't hold a candle to Infinity War or Endgame. Not even close.

DC needs to worry about DC. And having multiple people playing the same character, especially Batman and Superman, seems like a great way to confuse the average movie goer and disrupt the connective tissue they're trying so hard to find.

Audiences nowadays are savvy enough to understand the difference, and will likely end up embracing the variety being offered. And don't act like Marvel hasn't muddied the waters in that regard either, with Krasinski as Reed Reichard, Patrick Stewart as Professor X, and Jackman coming back as Wolverine, all of which will be recast when the new X-Men are properly reintroduced. Never mind a little movie called No Way Home, which capitalized on this very conceit.

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BowSowy said:

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I'm not surprised that TCTTS is getting swept up in whatever the latest momentum on the internet is saying. This is not the first time over the years that people have claimed DC is overtaking Marvel. But yeah, I'm sure *this* new reworking is the one that will be different.

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TCTTS said:

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Is there hope for DC to overtake Marvel Studios?

Or am I in, "let's not talk crazy" territory?

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I definitely think the pendulum is going to swing that way, starting with The Flash this summer. Now, the new DCU doesn't truly kick off for another couple years, in July 2025, but looking at the current MCU slate between now and then, GOTG3 is the only one that's likely guaranteed to be a crowd-pleaser. Of course, any MCU entry has a chance at igniting that MCU spark again, but, for instance, I just discovered that the Quantumania writer is also writing Avengers: The Kang Dynasty (also scheduled for 2025). His only other notable credits? 238 episodes of Jimmy Kimmel Live! and six episodes of Rick and Morty. For real. That's the level of writer Marvel is currently hiring for their BIGGEST movies. Meanwhile, for DC in 2025, JAMES GUNN is writing a Superman movie and MATT REEVES is writing a Batman movie. So when this new arms race is at full force, going head-to-head, who would you rather bet on? Proven home-run hitters like Gunn and Reeves - or - a former Jimmy Kimmel Live! staffer? Granted, it'll be interesting to see how the MCU finally starts integrating the X-Men around that same time, in 2026 or so, which could very well be the shot in the arm they need. But as of now, I'm putting my money on DC/Gunn, if not to take back the crown, to at least be neck-and-neck with Marvel for the foreseeable future.

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