I love that little hamburger scene on the bench, with Happy implying that he'll always be there for her.

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Thor's dilemma throughout his movies, with the exception of one or two people (Hela and Thanos) hasn't been that he's weaker than them. His issues have been internal doubt and questioning. The storyline and struggle in a superhero movie can't simply boil down to...Can they beat up the bad guy in a fight? Boring. Can the bad guy beat them up? Interesting.

I don't care how powerful the character is - Superman, Captain Marvel - the movie is interesting because of the non-physical challenges they face. Internal struggles, sacrifice, coming to grips with their powers or their differences from everyone else, outwitting an intellectually superior opponent, etc.

To simply write her off because she's extremely powerful is to dismiss the potential that she could have under a good writer.

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I said earlier that I'm optimist about what some better writing can do, but "extremely powerful" really is a problem in stories build around heroes collaborating. That is to say, it will be a lot easier to pull off the next Captain Marvel than to make her compelling in the next Avengers.

FL_Ag1998 said:

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Thor's dilemma throughout his movies, with the exception of one or two people (Hela and Thanos) hasn't been that he's weaker than them. His issues have been internal doubt and questioning. The storyline and struggle in a superhero movie can't simply boil down to...Can they beat up the bad guy in a fight? Boring. Can the bad guy beat them up? Interesting.

I don't care how powerful the character is - Superman, Captain Marvel - the movie is interesting because of the non-physical challenges they face. Internal struggles, sacrifice, coming to grips with their powers or their differences from everyone else, outwitting an intellectually superior opponent, etc.

To simply write her off because she's extremely powerful is to dismiss the potential that she could have under a good writer.

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The writing makes all the difference in the world.

Marvel's direction to humanize its heroes and give them real struggles (also loved this about the The Dark Knight series from DC) has taken the super hero genre to the next level.

So for someone like Thor or CM, writing is crucial. Their characters are so over-the-top, you have to give them something else to keep it interesting.

I just wonder how much of that will be done with CM. There almost seems like a hesitation to give her flaws and struggles, because of the social status that's come with the introduction of the character.

I think a lot of the writing complaints on CM are pretty spot on, though I think they did a decent job given that the character is a more challenging one than most. As noted it took a while for Marvel to find their footing with Thor, and this was also the first big film for the writers/directors of CM.

On the flipside you have the Russos directing their fourth massive Marvel film with the two writers working on their sixth, it's just a different level of experience and ability to execute.

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I just wonder how much of that will be done with CM. There almost seems like a hesitation to give her flaws and struggles, because of the social status that's come with the introduction of the character.

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This is a strange observation. What makes you think that Marvel will abandon the very thing that works for them (and that they've been known for in the comics for decades), which is character driven storytelling? This sounds like more fallout from people not liking Brie Larson and/or the perceived "girl power" thing.

Scarlet Witch is overpowered but constantly on the verge of an emotion breakdown..

Which..

In before someone's responds " so she's a woman?"

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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her appearances in Endgame felt contrived.

I really had hoped that Tony would save himself in space. he escaped the cave in IM1 with a box of scraps and his intelligence, I had hoped he would figure something out on the Benatar as well. Why couldn't he power the ship with his arc reactor?

then i felt like they tried to recreate Thor arriving in Wakanda, but it worked with Thor b/c he had a character arc and struggle throughout the movie, he earned that moment. Marvel was just MIA the whole movie and happened to show up out of the blue. Perhaps she was off world and saw that people were unsnapping, and high tailed it to Earth

The teamup of all the females was silly b/c Marvel is basically invincible, she didn't need their help. The scene would've worked great if Hope or Pepper were carrying the gauntlet there b/c they are perishable and need help. Would've been like the end of Independence Day, Ladies, Let's plow the road! then they all clear a lane to the van for Pepper/Hope. Then you have Thanos get a hold of Pepper/Hope, they don't have the strength to fight him off, so then Marvel comes in for hand to hand combat with him. He still pulls the power stone out of the gauntlet and blasts Marvel like before

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So when Nebula put Tony in the chair and strapped him in, I totally thought she was about to sacrifice herself and plug herself into the ship to power it home somehow...and I was totally in on that. i thought it would have been a beautiful arc to her character. I wasn't super enthused about Marvel just showing up after all the drama of them being there and just whisking them home no big deal

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I think this would have been a mistake. Aside from the fact that Nebula turned out to be a really good character, I don't think she was there yet. At that point in the story, I think she is still motivated by revenge for the only person who ever loved her and anger at the way Thanos treated her. She's still learning that she can fit in and be part of the group. Self-sacrifice would have been jumping way ahead in her journey. I also thought she would be replacing Gamora in the next Guardians movie.

Regarding Captain Marvel saving the day, that's pretty much what I meant by a plot device, not a character, so I agree there.

Just FYI, spoilers are allowed in this thread as of Monday. No need to spoiler tag anything anymore...

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New Mutants now pushed to April 2020.

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Two years from the original release date. Incredible! Has there ever been a movie that's been pushed this many times after filming?

That's a good example. I really like it when Wanda shows up and gets angry. I'm not sure if my problems with Captain Marvel are of degree or of substance.

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Gigem314 said:

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I just wonder how much of that will be done with CM. There almost seems like a hesitation to give her flaws and struggles, because of the social status that's come with the introduction of the character.

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This is a strange observation. What makes you think that Marvel will abandon the very thing that works for them (and that they've been known for in the comics for decades), which is character driven storytelling? This sounds like more fallout from people not liking Brie Larson and/or the perceived "girl power" thing.

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I'm not saying they're abandoning anything at all. But some characters have worked better than others, even with Marvel's incredible track record. There seem to be some challenges with CM initially. Not saying they won't get worked out. In fact, that's why I made the Thor comparison in my previous post. But there's more of a social element surrounding it...unlike IM, Cap, and Thor. That can't be ignored. That doesn't mean everything Marvel is doing with CM is being driven by 'girl power', but I do think there's a certain line they're walking with this character because it's one of the first female headliners. It's unique. It's different.

I was confused when Thanos punches Captain Marvel - she doesn't even budge. Then he whips her ass. Maybe I need to see it again, but wut?

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That's a good example. I really like it when Wanda shows up and gets angry. I'm not sure if my problems with Captain Marvel are of degree or of substance.

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Just my opinion, but I think if the Star Wars Last Jedi controversy hadn't already happened, the exact same Captain Marvel movie/character/actress would have drawn a lot less scrutiny. People are on edge with regard to how gender is being handled in popular movies.

He grabs the power stone out of the gauntlet and uses it to hit her.

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I was confused when Thanos punches Captain Marvel - she doesn't even budge. Then he whips her ass. Maybe I need to see it again, but wut?

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He uses the power stone. He takes it out of the Gauntlet and punches Carol off to the side.

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yukmonkey said:

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I was confused when Thanos punches Captain Marvel - she doesn't even budge. Then he whips her ass. Maybe I need to see it again, but wut?

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He uses the power stone. He takes it out of the Gauntlet and punches Carol off to the side.

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One of the coolest moments in the long fight sequence.

C@LAg said:

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New Mutants now pushed to April 2020.

Maybe this means they can do reshoots, but even that is an issue as these young actors have aged a bit since the film was shot 2+ years ago

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At this point in time..........................does anyone really give a sh*t about this movie anymore?

Just dump it on Disney+ when the service starts and be done with it.

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DVC2010 said:

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That's a good example. I really like it when Wanda shows up and gets angry. I'm not sure if my problems with Captain Marvel are of degree or of substance.

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Just my opinion, but I think if the Star Wars Last Jedi controversy hadn't already happened, the exact same Captain Marvel movie/character/actress would have drawn a lot less scrutiny. People are on edge with regard to how gender is being handled in popular movies.

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I don't know. Maybe. But it certainly didn't affect my perception of either of these characters.

I really loathed The Last Jedi, but I'm not sure what exactly the controversy was aside from it being a terrible movie. I went in to Captain Marvel really excited. I wanted to like the movie, and I expected it to be good.

Gotcha. One of the many reasons for a repeat viewing. Mainly bc **** Avatar.

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That image is from Infinity War which is a different movie than the highlighted one in the movie list.

This is rounding out to have a pretty solid cast so far, with Angelina Jolie and Kumail Nanjiani already set as well.

MCU's Phase 4 (and Phase 5?) dates:

May 1, 2020
November 6, 2020
February 12, 2021
May 7, 2021
November 5, 2021
February 18, 2022
May 6, 2022
July 29, 2022

Any predictions on what movie is being released on what date?

Deadpool 3 will reveal he was Noobmaster69.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Here's where Endgame currently stands domestically. (Vs the only movie that is comparable, TFA)

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Avengers-Endgame-(2019)/Star-Wars-Ep-VII-The-Force-Awakens

After 6 days:
Endgame - $452M
TFA - $363M

Seems to be starting to fall farther behind in the weekdays, but it's not a great comparison since kids were not in school in December for TFA.

Second weekend will be very telling. (TFA's 2nd weekend was $149M, -39%)

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After Monday:
Endgame - $631M
TFA - $571M

The gap is closing quick.

Hell yeah!

I'm going to have to do an MCU offseason book report on the Eternals. I don't know a whole lot about them, but some of them have popped up here and there during my recent comics binge.

They're basically Celestial experiments who are immortal and are similar to some Greek mythology characters. If I had to guess, Richard Madden is probably Ikaris. Angelina Jolie is Sersi (like Circe from the Odyssey). Kumail Nanjiani is probably... Sprite? Not sure. He seems like a comic relief character. There are other Eternals like Ajax, Makkari (Mercury, super fast), Thena.

If I were a betting man, I'd guess that they roll the Eternals and the Greek pantheon together. So you could have a character like Hercules and introduce him in this ensemble film. Two birds with one stone.

Good Aggie Hunting said:

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MCU's Phase 4 (and Phase 5?) dates:

May 1, 2020
November 6, 2020
February 12, 2021
May 7, 2021
November 5, 2021
February 18, 2022
May 6, 2022
July 29, 2022

Any predictions on what movie is being released on what date?

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May 7, 2021:

Conan O'Brien as MOLECULO.....



"The Molecular Man!"

Good Aggie Hunting said:

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MCU's Phase 4 (and Phase 5?) dates:

May 1, 2020
November 6, 2020
February 12, 2021
May 7, 2021
November 5, 2021
February 18, 2022
May 6, 2022
July 29, 2022

Any predictions on what movie is being released on what date?

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I posted this last week, a few pages back...

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The MCU landscape as it exists now. Surely Marvel will finally announce at least the next few movies either at Comic-Con in July or D23 in August...


MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE

07.02.19 - Spider-Man: Far From Home
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6320628/

05.01.20 - Untitled Marvel Project (likely Black Widow)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3480822/

11.06.20 - Untitled Marvel Project (likely The Eternals)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9032400/

TBA 2020 - DISNEY+ SERIES - Falcon & the Winter Soldier
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9208876/

TBA 2020 - DISNEY+ SERIES - WandaVision
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9140560/

02.12.21 - Untitled Marvel Project

05.07.21 - Untitled Marvel Project

11.05.21 - Untitled Marvel Project

02.18.22 - Untitled Marvel Project

05.06.22 - Untitled Marvel Project

07.29.22 - Untitled Marvel Project

Movies in development:

TBA - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6791350/

TBA - Shang-Chi
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9376612/

TBA - Untitled Ant-Man 3

TBA - Untitled Black Panther Sequel
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9114286/

TBA - Untitled Captain Marvel Sequel

TBA - Untitled Doctor Strange Sequel
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9419884/

TBA - Untitled Spider-Man 3

TBA - Untitled Thor 4

Disney+ Series in development:

TBA - DISNEY+ SERIES - Loki
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9140554/

TBA - DISNEY+ SERIES - Untitled Hawkeye Series
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10160804/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_films#Future
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_television_series#Disney+_series

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Thank you!

No problem.

We could probably go ahead and slide Black Panther 2 in that February '21 slot and GotG3 into that May '21 slot, but I'm not quite as confident in those dates yet as I am 2020. Hopefully we'll finally get confirmation at some point this summer...

I'd see a Thanos movie. Or was that Infinity War?

Personally, I don't see Captain Marvel taking a big role in future "Avenger" type films. Possibly just showing up when necessary like in Endgame. I think something we keep forgetting is that she's essentially the Avengers for the rest of the Universe. They made that point several times in the film, that she has a lot to deal with because other planets don't have guys like the Avengers. She's more like the Green Lantern Corps of the Marvel universe. In that sense, IMO, she needs to be extremely powerful.

Thor and Guardians are the only movies on that list I can get excited for. Eternals will probably end up being really good, though.