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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:18p, 2/16/19
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There's nothing to be offended about. She simply wants more diversity of thought/experience/background/culture in the world of online film journalism. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. She said nothing negative about white males. Besides, most people who listen to Rush all the time - like my dad - probably aren't going to be seeing this anyway.

This has been discussed ad nauseam for days in the other thread, to most everyone's annoyance. Why you had to bring it over here as well is beyond me.
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12:45p, 2/16/19
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Meh, maybe if she was more concerned with high quality press instead of their reproductive organs.

Silly sentiment imo
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12:49p, 2/16/19
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I'm more concerned with this being Marvel's Super-Man than I am with Brie Larson's politics.
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1:11p, 2/16/19
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I'd say the ONLY thing that really concerns me is the successful integration of a new and seemingly way over-powered character into an already crowded universe.

I'm more than willing to give Marvel the benefit of the doubt. I think they do a better job with Captain Marvel than Rey.
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In reply to AgMarauder04 • 1:21p, 2/16/19
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AgMarauder04 said:
Meh, maybe if she was more concerned with high quality press instead of their reproductive organs.

Silly sentiment imo

Perspective can be just as important as quality. Women, minorities, people of different cultures, religions, etc see and experience the world in myriad different ways. They're informed by all kinds of various perspectives, and when those different perspectives are brought to the conversation, and inform questions in new and unique ways, it allows us to potentially learn something we might not have otherwise. That's the purpose of storytelling, and some might even say society - to elicit and experience empathy through someone else's experience in order to help enrich us as a people.

I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp. Or why so many here always get their panties in a bunch and look to be so offended by sh*t like this. Certain people believe that high quality homogeny sometimes ins't better than slightly lower quality diversity. Because one usually reinforces the same old norms, while the other, more often than not, has a higher chance to actually reveal new thoughts/ideas/perspectives that some of us might not have been previously exposed to.

I probably sit somewhere in the middle, but I can at least understand where Larson is coming from. And am definitely not so obtuse as to think she has it out for white males or whatever. The situation is so much more nuanced than that.
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1:38p, 2/16/19
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Is CM more powerful than Thor?
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2:17p, 2/16/19
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I would love to not even have to discuss an actor or directors personal opinions or actions. For me, that has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the movies they make. I guess when there is this much build up to a film it can be hard to avoid. I would just rather you go have that discussion in a different board.
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2:39p, 2/16/19
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We should do an Entertainment board MCU rewatch before Endgame
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In reply to Phat32 • 3:01p, 2/16/19
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yukmonkey said:
Is CM more powerful than Thor?


For the movie, they have stated she is the most powerful character in the MCU which is not at all in alignment with the comics from what I understand.

Thus, the annoyance they are rewriting a character for this current societal crisis of conscious to have a woman save the universe.

We will see if that actually happens. I don't really care about her comments on the journalist thing. That kind of stuff is par for the course now.
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In reply to PatAg • 3:19p, 2/16/19
Sine poena nulla lex.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:47p, 2/16/19
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On one hand, I totally agree with the need for fairer and more frequent representation of minories and women in media. It's one of those things that when people are bothered by it, I roll my eyes, because, like gay marriage and other political issues, it's something that just straight up doesn't effect you're life in anyway shape or form. Black Panther existing, the new Ghostbusters being women, Captain Marvel and Wonder Women being hits- all of these things are GOOD for the world, in my opinion. People who never saw themselves on screen represented on screen frequently now are.

The problem occurs when EVERY single film discussion becomes one about representation because it's just Disney's and crtics' way of patting themselves on the back. Maybe it's because I read a lot of film criticism and the industry has basically turned into a wokeness race, but the constant attention to the need to validate the work croud grows tiresome. Brie Larson's comments kind of fall in that arena for me. Good intent, but it'd really not needed. The difference between myself and others is that this won't affect me in my enjoyment of Captain Marvel whatsoever. It's just an annoying distraction.
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"I don't need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn't work about A Wrinkle in Time," Larson said. "It wasn't made for him! I want to know what it meant to women of color, biracial women, to teen women of color. Am I saying I hate white dudes? No, I am not. What I am saying is if you make a movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie, and review your movie."

http://time.com/5312618/brie-larson-women-in-film/
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:34p, 2/16/19
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Interesting - I hadn't seen the first part of that quote (A Wrinkle in Time) so I didn't really know what she was talking about.
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In reply to John Matrix • 4:36p, 2/16/19
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John Matrix said:
On one hand, I totally agree with the need for fairer and more frequent representation of minories and women in media. It's one of those things that when people are bothered by it, I roll my eyes, because, like gay marriage and other political issues, it's something that just straight up doesn't effect you're life in anyway shape or form. Black Panther existing, the new Ghostbusters being women, Captain Marvel and Wonder Women being hits- all of these things are GOOD for the world, in my opinion. People who never saw themselves on screen represented on screen frequently now are.

The problem occurs when EVERY single film discussion becomes one about representation because it's just Disney's and crtics' way of patting themselves on the back. Maybe it's because I read a lot of film criticism and the industry has basically turned into a wokeness race, but the constant attention to the need to validate the work croud grows tiresome. Brie Larson's comments kind of fall in that arena for me. Good intent, but it'd really not needed. The difference between myself and others is that this won't affect me in my enjoyment of Captain Marvel whatsoever. It's just an annoying distraction.

I absolutely agree with your first paragraph, and yes, we're at a current level of "wokeness" that's reached annoyingly high levels, to the point where it's starting to do more harm than good. I'm in 100% agreement on both accounts.

That said, just because some advocates are disingenuous, that obviously doesn't mean that all advocates are disingenuous. Larson seems like one of the MOST genuine in that regard, which is why her actions don't bother me in the least. She's putting her money where he mouth is, so to speak, and I applaud her for that, as opposed to others who, yes, do it more for appearances and a pat on the back than anything else.
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5:44p, 2/16/19
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the new Ghostbusters being women.....all of these things are GOOD for the world,
No it wasn't good and the world seemed to agree as it was a massive failure.
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In reply to wangus12 • 7:06p, 2/16/19
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Yup. It definitely wasn't a good movie, but it wasn't because they were women that it was a bad movie.

In the end, Ghostbusters 2016 is not a good cinematic hill to die on- it's not good enough to defend or bad enough to hate. It's the ultimate meh movie.
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In reply to John Matrix • 7:07p, 2/16/19
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John Matrix said:
Yup. It definitely wasn't a good movie, but it wasn't because they were women that it was a bad movie.
Actually the only part I enjoyed was Hemsworth. No idea how they got him to play a bit role but he was great.

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8:46p, 2/16/19
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:05p, 2/16/19
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TCTTS said:


Kind of like Quantum Leap except he's a jackass who meddles with human history simply to amuse himself...I like it.
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9:29p, 2/16/19
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Only if ziggy has a cameo
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 12:28p, 2/17/19
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Anyone who gets offended at trying not to be soley interviewed by white males has issues
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1:47p, 2/17/19
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So, I don't know this, but with this whole thing, does Brie Larsen have any kind of actual influence for the press process? Or is this a statement, gets covered for a few days, then everyone forgets?
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In reply to MBAR • 10:44a, 2/18/19
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Anyone who gets offended at trying not to be soley interviewed by white males has issues
What if I am offended by the assumption that every white male has an identical background and perspective? It's the focus on superficial diversity of skin color and sex that offends me. If she was truly interested in diversity, she would demand that the people interviewing her and reviewing the film be selected from publications that represent a wide range of perspectives such as socialist, atheist, Catholic, libertarian, Rastafarian, etc.
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In reply to TCTTS • 11:11a, 2/18/19
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TCTTS said:
There's nothing to be offended about. She simply wants more diversity of thought/experience/background/culture in the world of online film journalism. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. She said nothing negative about white males. Besides, most people who listen to Rush all the time - like my dad - probably aren't going to be seeing this anyway.

This has been discussed ad nauseam for days in the other thread, to most everyone's annoyance. Why you had to bring it over here as well is beyond me.
Could not agree more. There is nothing wrong with what she said, and getting up in arms about it feels like you're wringing offense out of something that's not that big of a deal.

By the way, the OVERWHELMING majority of that media, even if they do bring in other types of people, is still going to be white dudes. I'm a white dude. Trust me guys, we're okay.
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In reply to Solo Tetherball Champ • 11:15a, 2/18/19
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Solo Tetherball Champ said:
MBAR said:
Anyone who gets offended at trying not to be soley interviewed by white males has issues
What if I am offended by the assumption that every white male has an identical background and perspective? It's the focus on superficial diversity of skin color and sex that offends me. If she was truly interested in diversity, she would demand that the people interviewing her and reviewing the film be selected from publications that represent a wide range of perspectives such as socialist, atheist, Catholic, libertarian, Rastafarian, etc.
First off, I like your username.

Also something I just want to say is that yes, you are correct, not all white males are going to have the same perspective. But there are things and life experiences that we INHERENTLY cannot relate to or connect with. Doesn't even matter about socioeconomic status or anything like that. And it goes equally across races and genders, religions, and sexualities. There are things women experience that we just don't. Same thing with someone who is gay, or whatever else. It is a net positive to have inclusion, even if it's something as arbitrary as who gets to ask Brie Larson a question about a movie.
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11:47a, 2/18/19
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In other news, Punisher and Jessica Jones were canceled

https://deadline.com/2019/02/the-punisher-jessica-jones-canceled-netflix-marvel-krysten-ritter-jon-bernthal-1202535835/

Edit: supposed to be a thumbs down
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12:06p, 2/18/19
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Entertainment news websites/publications select reporters based on qualifications and experience. That is, if you're sending someone to cover one of the most anticipated movies of the year, you're gonna make sure that reporter knows the industry and asks good questions.

By complaining about skin color and gender, Brie Larson is essentially complaining that she wants less qualified reporters covering her movie.

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In reply to Bobcat06 • 12:13p, 2/18/19
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Bobcat06 said:
Entertainment news websites/publications select reporters based on qualifications and experience. That is, if you're sending someone to cover one of the most anticipated movies of the year, you're gonna make sure that reporter knows the industry and asks good questions.

By complaining about skin color and gender, Brie Larson is essentially complaining that she wants less qualified reporters covering her movie.

I think her point is that she would like to give reporters who normally are not given opportunities to gain the experience of covering a big movie release so that in the future they can be selected based on qualifications and experience. It's the classic you can't get the experience without experience dilemma.
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In reply to Bobcat06 • 12:28p, 2/18/19
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Bobcat06 said:
Entertainment news websites/publications select reporters based on qualifications and experience. That is, if you're sending someone to cover one of the most anticipated movies of the year, you're gonna make sure that reporter knows the industry and asks good questions.

By complaining about skin color and gender, Brie Larson is essentially complaining that she wants less qualified reporters covering her movie.



It is hilarious that you think media journalists are selected for junkets based on some sort of professional heirarchy. I've seen (my leader) Gordon Keith of The Ticket and WFAA and some other local organizations interview A-listers at these events and he has zero qualifications or meaningful entertainment credentials.

I am certainly not an expert, but know enough to say that these press events are rapid fire Q&As with everyone from leading critics to total nobodies from publications you've never heard of.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 12:39p, 2/18/19
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FL_Ag1998 said:
TCTTS said:


Kind of like Quantum Leap except he's a jackass who meddles with human history simply to amuse himself...I like it.
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In reply to AliasMan02 • 12:48p, 2/18/19
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There's a reason why The Ticket (actually WFAA) had the Great Gordo interview Dax Shepard and not Donovan Lewis or Julie Dobbs. The Ticket chose the interviewer that would give them the best content.

Brie Larson is effectively asking to be interviewed by Donovan Lewis instead of Gordon Keith.
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In reply to Bobcat06 • 12:54p, 2/18/19
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Bobcat06 said:
There's a reason why The Ticket (actually WFAA) had the Great Gordo interview Dax Shepard and not Donovan Lewis or Julie Dobbs. The Ticket chose the interviewer that would give them the best content.

Brie Larson is effectively asking to be interviewed by Donovan Lewis instead of Gordon Keith.


Gordon didn't do those for The Ticket. He did them for some other media outlets. That's beside the point, though. The press junkets are free-for-alls for anyone who can wrangle a credential, was my point.
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In reply to Bobcat06 • 12:57p, 2/18/19
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But if, like she says, the movie is a Wrinkle in Time, or Wonder Woman, or Captain Marvel, it might make more sense to be interviewed by Julie Dobbs than Gordon Keith. Especially if she's going to do 50 interviews and they're all Gordons. It was Donovan who got the interview with Snoop Dogg, for example. It might not have been as good coming from Bob.

She said she noticed it, asked someone to do the research to conifirm, and then decided to do something about it. I respect that.
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