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Guess Lucas selling the franchise didn't make a difference at all.

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You're right. Totally genuine.

Pretty interesting...

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/03/star-wars-the-force-awakens-first-teaser-decoded-shot-for-shot/

Supposedly rogue one art that got shown to stakeholders evoked halo.

No pic.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-rogue-one-concept-art/

Many Bothans died to bring us this comparison

Whoa.

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What's the significance of this?

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Return of the Jedi also features another prominent female character. Though she does not interact with Princess Leia directly, Mon Mothma is pivotal in the Star Wars universe. She is the former galactic senator who created and leads the Rebel Alliance. Indeed, she does not spend a lot of time on screen, but the time she does spend lends her role with quiet dignity and determination, qualities we hope to see in all strong, capable leaders.

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Jones MIGHT be playing a young Mon Mothma.

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Jones MIGHT be playing a young Mon Mothma.

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In EP VII? Meaning flashback scenes. I know who Mon Mothma is, I'm still confused why the young lady is important. Was she already rumored to be a cast member? I think I remember hearing how Carrie a Fischer's daughter would play a younger her... So like they are both in this scene perhaps?

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Jones MIGHT be playing a young Mon Mothma.

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In EP VII? Meaning flashback scenes. I know who Mon Mothma is, I'm still confused why the young lady is important. Was she already rumored to be a cast member? I think I remember hearing how Carrie a Fischer's daughter would play a younger her... So like they are both in this scene perhaps?

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That's Felicity Jones, who has been cast as the lead in Rogue One.

it would be pretty awesome if mon mothma was a bad-ass pilot who formed rogue squadron in her youth before becoming a diplomat of sorts in the alliance.

or it could be mega awesome if the movie is actually about mara jade.

Yeah, all this Felicity Jones / Mon Mothma stuff should technically be in the other thread.

Watched all 3 despecialized versions of SW Eps 4,5 and 6 this weekend. I really hope Disney doesnt eff this movie up like what George did to the originals.

Ag sports fan, that wasn't a spoiler, get dat bantha poodoo out of here!

I'm bumping this since the trailer dropped today and since some of our discussions in the other thread are getting kind of close to being spoilery rumor based.

I think the trailer (and the on stage discussion with JJ and cast) confirmed a lot of the very broad plot points that were rumored.

Finn is a defector after a bloody invasion... he apparently crashes a tie fighter onto the desert planet (probably his Tie that is shooting up the Tie hanger in the trailer). He apparently meets Poe Dameron and Rey around this time and their adventure starts from there. Also appears true the old rumor that Han doesn't have the Falcon to start the movie, but it looks like he gets it back "We're home" comment.


What I'm really curious about now are the old "Luke is an evil cyborg" rumors. That hand on R2 was very interesting. I do not think he is evil, but perhaps he is a bit more messed up than I thought. He and R2 have a look of sadness and something is burning... perhaps the Academy that he was rumored to have started. I just don't want them doing anything that won't allow Luke to, at some point in the trilogy, become the bad ass Jedi we all imagined he would become after taking down Palps/Vader. Maybe he's in a low point in this flick, but I cannot wait for them to finally unleash Skywalker one last time!

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What I'm really curious about now are the old "Luke is an evil cyborg" rumors. That hand on R2 was very interesting. I do not think he is evil, but perhaps he is a bit more messed up than I thought. He and R2 have a look of sadness and something is burning... perhaps the Academy that he was rumored to have started. I just don't want them doing anything that won't allow Luke to, at some point in the trilogy, become the bad ass Jedi we all imagined he would become after taking down Palps/Vader. Maybe he's in a low point in this flick, but I cannot wait for them to finally unleash Skywalker one last time!

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I very much get the impression that Luke is in not so much a dark place, but maybe in a morally gray place. I don't know if that is really an accurate way to describe it. No reason why he can't be a complete badass, but depending on how things shook out in the last 30 years since ROTJ.

Well here is my theory. Anakin was supposed to bring "balance" to the force. I also assume after seeing the 6 films that there where too many "light side" and not enough "dark side" So Anakin set off a series of events that eventually led to there only being one force user left ( or one MAIN user) Luke. Thus to me this means Luke has to have both light and dark in him to balance everything. And how does he do that going forward if there are to be more force sensitive people left? i.e the morally gray area that he has to work out.

Ok, Dave at Latino Review just released his breakdown of the events/trailer yesterday, and things are SO MUCH clearer now. THIS is the analysis I was waiting for. Basically, he touches on the when the Battle of Jakku likely takes place (outside of The Force Awakens), Rey's true purpose (along with the fact that we FINALLY know, more or less now, that she's Han & Leia's daughter), and the basic order of events shown in the trailer, as they pertain to the movie itself. This is really good stuff...

http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-wars-the-force-awakens-awoke

So, from what I understand...

- Rey is a fake name. Her real name is KIRA, and she's hiding out on Jakku, on some sort of mission. She's not really a poor scavenger, but is instead only posing as one, and is after Luke's lightsaber for whatever reason.

- Poe is an X-wing pilot also on a mission, sent by Leia. Perhaps both Poe and Rey/Kira are potentially two parts of a singular mission? BB-8 is Poe's X-Wing droid.

- Poe is somehow captured and taken prisoner aboard the the Star Destroyer we see (in space) in the trailer.

- Kylo, Finn and a bunch of stormtroopers raid a small village, presumably looking for the lightsaber. This may or may not be on Jakku. Regardless, this is likely the opening scene of the movie.

- Finn's stormtrooper friend dies in the raid, potentially at the hands of Kylo. On the way back to the same Star Destroyer where Poe is held prisoner, Finn begins to question his loyalty / lot in life.

- Finn may or may not be thrown in the same cell as Poe. Regardless, the two form a bond and escape the Star Destroyer together (but potentially in separate ships), and crash land on Jakku.

- Once on Jakku, Finn is separated from Poe, and somehow meets Rey/Kira, along with BB-8, who is now separated from Poe. They're eventually attacked by TIE fighters, who are after a defected Finn and/or the lightsaber.

- Rey/Kira, Finn and BB-8 board the Millennium Falcon, parked on Jakku, presumably piloted by Rey/Kira (this is likely when we start to realize there's more than meets the eye with her character). A TIE fighter / Millennium Falcon chase ensues.

- Rey/Kira, Finn and BB-8 eventually outmaneuver the TIE(s) and take the Millennium Falcon aboard a giant freighter ship in space, where HAN and CHEWIE are (presumably) waiting for them, and we learn that Rey/Kira is, in fact, Han & Leia's daughter.

- The group makes their way to Leia and the Resistance base, now somehow in possession of the lightsaber. Poe may or may not finally be with them at this point.


This still leaves a few questions...

- What is Poe's exact mission?

- How does BB-8 meet up with Rey/Kira?

- When/where does Rey/Kira come in possession of the lightsaber?

- Why, if Kira is undercover and presumably working in tandem with Han, does Han say "we're home" to Chewie once aboard the Millennium Falcon again? Was Rey/Kira really gone with the Falcon for THAT long? Or is there more to it?


Regardless, the general plotting/beats/reveals sound AMAZING. This is going to be so incredibly awesome to watch unfold.

I think in the trailer the scene were the saber is handed off is from the alien to Kira/Rey. Not Leia like we first thought.

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I think in the trailer the scene were the saber is handed off is from the alien to Kira/Rey. Not Leia like we first thought.

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I tend to agree - and I definitely don't think it's being handed to Leia - but Kira/Finn supposedly don't meet that alien until the middle of the movie or so. That said, maybe everyone has it wrong, and they meet that alien before ever leaving Jakku, which would make WAY more sense. The alien first finds the lightsaber after it falls from space, then Kira somehow learns about this.

Will we learn how the saber makes its way from cloud city to Jakku? Or, off of cloud city in general?

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Will we learn how the saber makes its way from cloud city to Jakku? Or, off of cloud city in general?

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Surely we will. I've heard it's basically jettisoned as "space trash" potentially. Regardless, what I kind of love is this idea of Kylo or whoever having done all sorts of research/searching for it. Maybe he can basically sense/follow it by use of the Force or whatever, once he's closer to it, after he figured out the general area of space it was in. Point is, multiple people are after it, so SURELY we learn the details of how/why the lightsaber ended up where it did.

Good. I'm not sure why, but it'd really bug me if no explanation was given. Prolly because it would just seem too convenient for something that (reportedly) drives much of the plot.

I'm 99% sure this will never happen, but how cool would it be if the movie OPENED with that scene from Empire? We then see the lightsaber eventually jettisoned as space trash, and then cut to 35 years later or whenever, and see it fall to the surface of Jakku? Either way, opening the movie with the "I am your father scene" could be so insanely cool.

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I think in the trailer the scene were the saber is handed off is from the alien to Kira/Rey. Not Leia like we first thought.

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I tend to agree - and I definitely don't think it's being handed to Leia - but Kira/Finn supposedly don't meet that alien until the middle of the movie or so. That said, maybe everyone has it wrong, and they meet that alien before ever leaving Jakku, which would make WAY more sense. The alien first finds the lightsaber after it falls from space, then Kira somehow learns about this.

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It does make a lot more sense to find it before leaving (chased off) the planet. Based on the background in the scene, I think its some structure on Jakku before they leave. In regards to the alien finding the artifact, does this mean that possibly the one that the alien is also force sensitive? If not, that is a one in a million find for that alien. Also, is the reason why Kira/Rey is sent on this mission to find the llghtsaber also imply that she is also force sensitive? Serious question, because I can't keep everything I have read straight anymore regarding spoilers for the movie.

I'm not entirely convinced that we have the order of events correct just yet though. Another possibility is that the alien won't give them the lightsaber until they take the alien with them, and turns it over at the rebel base.

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I'm not entirely convinced that we have the order of events correct just yet though. Another possibility is that the alien won't give them the lightsaber until they take the alien with them, and turns it over at the rebel base.

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This makes a ton of sense. I've heard that there are two relatively prominent motion capture aliens. One is on Jakku and one they meet later. One of them is played by Lupin Nyong'o, and people seem to think she's the latter one. I think one finds the lightsaber and the other gives them the backstory/flashback with Luke and the academy (likely Lupita). There have always been rumors that one joins them on their quest, and people seemed to think that was Lupita, but now I'm thinking it's the first one. Just REALLY hoping it's a non-Jar Jar scenario, if true.

As for Rey/Kira being Force sensitive, I think she most definitely is, but doesn't necessarily want to be. I think she's dispatched to find the lightsaber by Leia because of how Force sensitive she is, but it's been hinted at that Rey/Kira is very reluctant to embrace her more Force-sensitve side. Either way, maybe it's essentially a race to find the saber. They know Kylo's after it, so Leia & co send Rey/Kira (who is likely his sister) after it first. That could be a pretty cool dynamic.

Based on what's mentioned in the Battlefront game about when the battle happens over Jakku, I have a theory about Luke. We've been thinking that he went into a self-imposed exile. This may completely off base, but what if Luke draws on the force so strongly in order to defeat the Empire over Jakku, that he just obliterates their entire fleet (or something like that). Seeing himself wield this much power scares him, so he runs off. If you notice the scene of what we think is Luke putting his hand on R2 next to the fire on some desert planet, he puts his head down. I think Luke is at the scene of whatever he did, and he's putting his head down because he's just freaking out really hard.

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Based on what's mentioned in the Battlefront game about when the battle happens over Jakku, I have a theory about Luke. We've been thinking that he went into a self-imposed exile. This may completely off base, but what if Luke draws on the force so strongly in order to defeat the Empire over Jakku, that he just obliterates their entire fleet (or something like that). Seeing himself wield this much power scares him, so he runs off. If you notice the scene of what we think is Luke putting his hand on R2 next to the fire on some desert planet, he puts his head down. I think Luke is at the scene of whatever he did, and he's putting his head down because he's just freaking out really hard.

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I could definitely be on board with this, and it definitely fits in line with most everything we've heard so far.

The Battle of Jakku stuff seems like it's going to be fairly prominently referenced in the movie, while also being showcased in other mediums, and adds a new wrinkle no one was really anticipating. If anything, I really like the idea that Luke himself may in some way be responsible for that downed Star Destroyer in the opening shot of the trailer.

At first, I was really in love with the idea of those kinds of relics of the Empire falling - literally - from grace somewhat "naturally" in the decay post-Vader/Emperor, as if gradually/finally abandoned. But the more I think about that notion, the more it doesn't make much sense. Rather, it seems a singular event likely downed all those ships at once (notice the X-Wing in the sand as well, and we know that Rey lives in a downed AT-AT).

If anything, it would also play into the idea of Luke being a weapon himself - something we've heard rumored - and that's why everyone is after him. Not to mention, now Rey/Kira being apprehensive about being Force sensitive would seem to make sense as well. She doesn't want to end up like her uncle (while her potential brother most definitely does). Really, I think you may be on to something.

Awesome theory.