YouBet said:
In other news, I completed Rebels S2 yesterday. Surprised to see Maul at the end. I guess he left being the leader of the Crimson Sun(?) sometime since Solo?
They did cover that in the episode so maybe him getting stuck on a mission to get a power artifact is good enough. It would be something a criminal lord would want.I Have Spoken said:YouBet said:
In other news, I completed Rebels S2 yesterday. Surprised to see Maul at the end. I guess he left being the leader of the Crimson Sun(?) sometime since Solo?
I'm not sure that needs spoilers since it has been out for years, but I get it. It is 7 years between the end of Solo and that episode of Rebels. Not sure how much of this was covered in the episode, but the story was that Maul went to Malachor seeking the weapon and became frustrated that he could not open the temple. His ship was wrecked, so he was stuck there. When he went to Malachor remains a mystery unless there is some other media that has addressed that time period. Also, animated Maul is great - really enjoyed the voice actor for him.
Also, since you just watched it... the inquisitors flying around like inspector gadget is one of the worst things Dave Filoni has ever created. I celebrate in joy when the one falls to his death trying to fly away.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:I've always thought of R1 as a war movie in the same vein as The Guns of Navarone.Keegan99 said:
In the dissection if the ST, the author makes the point that Lucas' movies are really six distinct classical storytelling themes and frameworks, executed within the Star Wars universe.
Part of what makes Rogue One work is that it accomplishes the same objective. I'm not sure how one would classify it - good ol' fashioned war movie? - but it's unlike what we've seen before, and not in a hamfisted, disrespectful "subverting expectations" way.
For me, Rogue One is the third best Star Wars movie ever (behind only The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars). And to the point made above that we already know what happens to this group, well, alrighty then. That's great, but does that automatically mean they don't have an interesting story to tell with that group?
That video breaking down the problems with the sequel trilogy is spot-on. I liked the point made about these new movies avoiding politics, which seems to be one of the bigger complaints about the prequels, right before pointing out a political sequence in the original movie.
I am stunned that someone finds serious fault with r1- what is your issue again?Ulrich said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:I've always thought of R1 as a war movie in the same vein as The Guns of Navarone.Keegan99 said:
In the dissection if the ST, the author makes the point that Lucas' movies are really six distinct classical storytelling themes and frameworks, executed within the Star Wars universe.
Part of what makes Rogue One work is that it accomplishes the same objective. I'm not sure how one would classify it - good ol' fashioned war movie? - but it's unlike what we've seen before, and not in a hamfisted, disrespectful "subverting expectations" way.
For me, Rogue One is the third best Star Wars movie ever (behind only The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars). And to the point made above that we already know what happens to this group, well, alrighty then. That's great, but does that automatically mean they don't have an interesting story to tell with that group?
That video breaking down the problems with the sequel trilogy is spot-on. I liked the point made about these new movies avoiding politics, which seems to be one of the bigger complaints about the prequels, right before pointing out a political sequence in the original movie.
All my issues with R1 could be solved by replacing the Death Star plans with any other mcguffin and distancing it just a bit from the mainline story. Then it's a slightly weird but pretty good heist/war movie set in the SW universe.
The OT moved forward. The PT, Solo, and R1 are all backstory; the ST starts by undoing all the character and plot arcs from the OT and then framing everything in terms of how thematically similar or different it is to the OT. Three original movies, eight movies looking backwards.
Actually, if R1 were completely unchanged but the other 7 post-2000 movies were more their own thing, that might solve it as well.
Awesome video. And you're right, that guy is about to blow up. The video on the sequel anti-trilogy is already his third most watched video and it's only been out for a day. His videos on Luke and Palpatine have more views, but they're been out for 6 months and a year, respectively.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Couldn't agree more. I agree with every single point he makes, yet he explains everything more succinctly than I ever could.
I only recently discovered his channel, and all of his videos are equally well done. He only has 7 videos and it's probably the best SW based channel I've come across. (I bet this guy is about to blow up.)
Here's another great one, which is a quick watch.
jokershady said:
Rogue One is the Citizen Kane of Sci-fi. Prove me wrong.
Spoiler: you can't prove me wrong.
You've acknowledged it here. R1 is not the issue; it's the other movies. You are letting the mixed at best quality of those other movies taint R1.Ulrich said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:I've always thought of R1 as a war movie in the same vein as The Guns of Navarone.Keegan99 said:
In the dissection if the ST, the author makes the point that Lucas' movies are really six distinct classical storytelling themes and frameworks, executed within the Star Wars universe.
Part of what makes Rogue One work is that it accomplishes the same objective. I'm not sure how one would classify it - good ol' fashioned war movie? - but it's unlike what we've seen before, and not in a hamfisted, disrespectful "subverting expectations" way.
For me, Rogue One is the third best Star Wars movie ever (behind only The Empire Strikes Back and Star Wars). And to the point made above that we already know what happens to this group, well, alrighty then. That's great, but does that automatically mean they don't have an interesting story to tell with that group?
That video breaking down the problems with the sequel trilogy is spot-on. I liked the point made about these new movies avoiding politics, which seems to be one of the bigger complaints about the prequels, right before pointing out a political sequence in the original movie.
All my issues with R1 could be solved by replacing the Death Star plans with any other mcguffin and distancing it just a bit from the mainline story. Then it's a slightly weird but pretty good heist/war movie set in the SW universe.
The OT moved forward. The PT, Solo, and R1 are all backstory; the ST starts by undoing all the character and plot arcs from the OT and then framing everything in terms of how thematically similar or different it is to the OT. Three original movies, eight movies looking backwards.
Actually, if R1 were completely unchanged but the other 7 post-2000 movies were more their own thing, that might solve it as well.
Best movie Vader for sure.maroon barchetta said:
Rogue One Vader is best Vader and it's not close.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
But R1 was full of brand new characters, each with their own respective arcs within that movie.
I could see the complaint of knowing the ending ahead of time, but the "how" was still a mystery. Plus not knowing their individual fates.
I am not the Wheat that you are looking for.TCTTS said:
The Approaching Storm. That was the one. And there's the wheat!
TCTTS said:
To me, Rogue One is "adult," at least relatively speaking in the Star Wars franchise. And all indications are that Andor will be almost identical in tone to Rogue One. IMO, the tone of, say, The Mandalorian is far more kid-focused than the tone of Rogue One. That's all I'm saying.
maroon barchetta said:
Rogue One Vader is best Vader and it's not close.
R1: literally almost everyone in R1 dies. Like, the entire squadron dies. Galen dies. The main robot dies.veryfuller said:
I mean, I'd love if this were true, but I'd caution against hoping for an "adult" feeling Star Wars. If anything, Disney and Kennedy have worked really hard to make it accessible to younger generations. I think this is why they've had trouble -- they want to honor the long-time fans while bringing new fans into the fold, and thats just tough. BUT I think it's clear that they think Star Wars is ultimately for kids. Whether thats true or not, I don't want to debate, but it seems clear to me we won't see anything too dark or deep in the Star Wars content we get for the time being.
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