Simplebay said:

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Snoke watches and possibly uses force thunder to turn the tide.

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Simplebay said:

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They don't need him.

Enter Starkiller Base II in construction on a larger unfinished planet. This is where Rey and Kylo will fight in a half finished superstructure while Snoke watches and possibly uses force thunder to turn the tide.

At the last moment Kylo will turn back to the light with flashbacks of Leia/Han (possibly force ghosts) and kill Snoke, and die from injuries while Rey is sad but he is redeemed.

Luke will be a force ghost smiling at them as the Resistance throws a huge carnivorous party drumming on the head of Captain Phasma, with a pack of Porgs in tow who also helped save the day.

Episode 9 - The Final Hope

That'll be $10MM please

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Don't forget the first act of the film!

Finn goes undercover with a shackled Chewie in tow to rescue the one most important to him, a frozen Poe Dameron, from the smugglers we met two films previous. Rey shows up clad in black, and, using her newly mastered force powers, overcomes both a menacing monster and the smugglers (with the help of a lovable little droid) to save the group!

Now it has been pushed back to December 2019.

where's my summer star wars??!?!

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Now it has been pushed back to December 2019.

where's my summer star wars??!?!

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I really, really hope the tweets below are right. I love J.J. as a director - not so much as a writer - and this feels SO close to the same scenario as VII, where J.J. and a co-writer came aboard way late in the prcoess, after a couple drafts had been completed, and rewrote the script with just months to go before filming. We're even seeing the release date pushed back again from summer to Christmas to accommodate, same as before. Granted, at least A) they'll have a bit more time this go around, and B) they're not having to invent an entire world and cast of characters basically from scratch. So who knows. This is definitely a massive step of from Trevorrow, but I hope Abrams' heart is truly in this, and that he's learned from past mistakes...

Also, there's no way Han Solo sticks to May now, right? Surely it won't be the only non-Christmas movie of the new batch, but who knows...

Not to mention, I never really jived with having Han Solo and Ep IX just a few months apart. Let these movies breathe. Once a year feels right. Star Wars movies are an event and should be treated as such.

Edit: My bad, Solo is still coming out 6 months after TLJ. Brain fart. But here's hoping it shifts to Dec 2018.

That reminds me, time to update the ol' page 1 index.

Are they really events when they get churned out yet after year?

Bittersweet decision.

I do hope hes courageous with this opportunity.

JuliusCaesarAggie said:

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That Carson Reeves tweet about Terrio is such a cop out. Its the two greatest comic book superheroes of all time. Lots of good writers could find multiple ways to make that work. The BvS script is the biggest missed opportunity of the last ten years.

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My interpretation was that it was a no win in regards to the studio, not the subject matter.

I took it to mean in regards to the to the script/subject matter, not the studio, but I guess it could be either. Carson has a prominent screenwriting website, though, so it's likely the former.

Regardless, Batman vs. Superman is a really dumb idea. Just because it's the two of the greatest comic book superheroes of all time doesn't mean they should fight each other. It was a last-minute, desperate play on the part of WB when Man of Steel underperformed and they panicked. Studio move, stupid idea.

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I took it to mean in regards to the to the script/subject matter, not the studio, but I guess it could be either.

Regardless, Batman vs. Superman is a really dumb idea. Just because it's the two of the greatest comic book superheroes of all time doesn't mean they should fight each other. It was a last-minute, desperate play on the part of WB when Man of Steel underperformed and they panicked. Studio move, stupid idea.

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It's amazing to me that a copy in possession of IP with literally decades of stories behind and talented writers and artists still churning out content can't figure things out.

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I took it to mean in regards to the to the script/subject matter, not the studio, but I guess it could be either. Carson has a prominent screenwriting website, though, so it's likely the former.

Regardless, Batman vs. Superman is a really dumb idea. Just because it's the two of the greatest comic book superheroes of all time doesn't mean they should fight each other. It was a last-minute, desperate play on the part of WB when Man of Steel underperformed and they panicked. Studio move, stupid idea.

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To be fair, this very idea was the subject of one of the more popular graphic novels in the last few decades. Very critically acclaimed at the time.

Also, Marvel's Civil War.....

Doesn't negate the fact that it was a desperate play here though.

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I really, really hope the tweets below are right. I love J.J. as a director - not so much as a writer - and this feels SO close to the same scenario as VII, where J.J. and a co-writer came aboard way late in the prcoess, after a couple drafts had been completed, and rewrote the script with just months to go before filming. We're even seeing the release date pushed back again from summer to Christmas to accommodate, same as before. Granted, at least A) they'll have a bit more time this go around, and B) they're not having to invent an entire world and cast of characters basically from scratch. So who knows. This is definitely a massive step of from Trevorrow, but I hope Abrams' heart is truly in this, and that he's learned from past mistakes...

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absolutely, but that's gotta be a pretty low risk at this point, right?

I can imagine how difficult it would be for someone to turn down a SW film, so I'd share that concern with just about anybody else. but since JJ has already done one and turned down Episode VIII (right?), this would be an easily defended "thanks, but no thanks" situation.

he knows exactly what to expect with Kennedy, he knows the story episode VIII is about to tell and he knows where Episode IX is supposed to go. if he's jumping back on board, I gotta think it's because he's legitimately excited about the opportunity and wants to be a part of it.

or at least I hope...

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Regardless, Batman vs. Superman is a really dumb idea. Just because it's the two of the greatest comic book superheroes of all time doesn't mean they should fight each other. It was a last-minute, desperate play on the part of WB when Man of Steel underperformed and they panicked. Studio move, stupid idea.

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Going to have to disagree with you. The concept isn't about having these two fight - it's about having one of our favorite super-heroes lose their way and how to stop them. The reason it's a great concept to me is that Batman is this altruistic hero who fails. He becomes fallible. His sticking to his morals got his, essentially, family killed (talking about Robin) just as his dad's sticking to his morals got him and Martha killed. This turns our favorite hero and he starts to take different measures to uphold his view of justice. Who else in the world is there to check him but Superman? Unfortunately it replaced a Superman 2 or an establishing Batman movie that we should have had at that point to develop this cinematic universe and make those themes make sense and not out of place.

Anyway... Star Wars!

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Going to have to disagree with you. The concept isn't about having these two fight - it's about having one of our favorite super-heroes lose their way and how to stop them. The reason it's a great concept to me is that Batman is this altruistic hero who fails. He becomes fallible. His sticking to his morals got his, essentially, family killed (talking about Robin) just as his dad's sticking to his morals got him and Martha killed. This turns our favorite hero and he starts to take different measures to uphold his view of justice. Who else in the world is there to check him but Superman? Unfortunately it replaced a Superman 2 or an establishing Batman movie that we should have had at that point to develop this cinematic universe and make those themes make sense and not out of place.

Anyway... Star Wars!

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lol I think literally everyone knows the concept wasn't about them actually fighting. (Which is precisely why it was made fun of when it was so obviously predictable they would team up and thus calling it 'Batman vs Superman' was some lame attempt to create a faux conflict that only the most ignorant viewers would believe.)

The concept of an 'evil' superman and how would one stop him IS interesting....too bad thats not what WB gave us.

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Going to have to disagree with you. The concept isn't about having these two fight - it's about having one of our favorite super-heroes lose their way and how to stop them. The reason it's a great concept to me is that Batman is this altruistic hero who fails. He becomes fallible. His sticking to his morals got his, essentially, family killed (talking about Robin) just as his dad's sticking to his morals got him and Martha killed. This turns our favorite hero and he starts to take different measures to uphold his view of justice. Who else in the world is there to check him but Superman? Unfortunately it replaced a Superman 2 or an establishing Batman movie that we should have had at that point to develop this cinematic universe and make those themes make sense and not out of place.

Anyway... Star Wars!

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lol I think literally everyone knows the concept wasn't about them actually fighting. (Which is precisely why it was made fun of when it was so obviously predictable they would team up and thus calling it 'Batman vs Superman' was some lame attempt to create a faux conflict that only the most ignorant viewers would believe.)

The concept of an 'evil' superman and how would one stop him IS interesting....too bad thats not what WB gave us.

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the overall story was good. Bruce's employees were killed and a city destroyed due to Superman's negligence (not to mention Zod came to Earth just for Superman). Batman needed a way to defeat Superman in case he went rogue.... what sucked about the movie was the execution and some parts just seemed disjointed (Martha's and dumb big Doomsday to name a few of many).

Back as it relates to Star Wars, depending on how much was changed from the writers initial intent, we shouldn't discount the writer based on the final version of B vs. S

Agreed. I was just replying to TC's opinion that the idea was dumb. But yeah - very flawed movie and they went the route that Batman was evil and Superman naive and still learning instead of Superman just saying F you humans it's my laws now.

And let's not discount Terrio's Argo work. Decent work of suspense with a bit of humor. I'm sure though we'll all rush back here once we watch JL.

Good to see this confirmed. Was supposed to be January. More time now to not just rewrite the script, but get it right...

Seems like Trevorrow had zero business being around Star Wars.

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I've given Abrams plenty of sh*t, but I will defend his lens flares to the death. I LOVE the lens flares and I hope he brings them back tenfold.

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lol Yea, I don't mind it either. It's just a funny characteristic that is ultimately harmless. It's kinda like Michael Bay and his explosions. Say what you will about Bay, but I'd hire him as my SFX guy any day of the week!