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Bobcat makes a good point about Kryptonite... They'll either need to blow Krypton up soon, or invent a whole new Superman weakness, which would really piss the fanboys off.

I always disliked the "invincible except when kryptonite is around" bit though. Took the suspense out of most fights, and made the others too gimmicky. Any chance they remove it altogether and make Superman mortal, just super hard to kill?

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He can die from something more powerful or stronger than him (e.g. Doomsday or Darkseid). I've always hated Kryptonite because it was solely used a copout to allow weaker people to stop him, which doesn't make any sense given that he has a huge array of powers that would allow him to stop that person from a significant distance away.

He's not invincible either, he's invulnerable, which is significantly different. He can be hurt and he can die, it is just really really hard to do either without an enormous amount of power.

^ Also, it looks like Superman may be "powered-down" some for MOS. You'll notice he's straining to hold up that oil rig platform and before his super flight right after he leaves the fortress, he kneels down, fist to the ground, as if to gather his strength.

Here are some stills that I just noticed online today:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/new-man-of-steel-photos-banner-zack-snyder-calls-it-his-most-realistic-film-20130505

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Besides, can't Krypton still be destroyed in the sequel? Would that not still have the same effect? Or is the whole point that Kal-El- has to be "alone" as he grows up on Earth? And isn't he already? I mean, all through his adolescence, he doesn't even know what Krypton is. In this version, I don't think he finds out about Krypton 'til he makes it to the Fortress of Solitude, so what's the difference? Growing up in Smallville, he knows he's a freak. Then his dad tells him he's actually an alien, but he doesn't know much more than that. To me, that's alienating enough (no pun intended), whether Krypton exists or not. Plus, I kind of sort of am starting warm to this idea of Clark losing one father (Pa Kent), only to find out he has another (Jor-El, who's still alive, but not yet reachable). That's kind of cool.

Further, the more I think about this, the more it lines up with the theme of "choice" that's so prevalent in the marketing. Like Aggies76 mentioned, I think he's going to have to choose Earth. It's not just this planet he's stuck with. He's going to have to choose to stay here and help us, which is almost more powerful and meaningful in a way.

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Good thoughts and I agree if this is how they choose to do this movie.

Even if they decide to make it so that their planet blew up without Zod's knowledge, I would be okay with that too. Perhaps it blew while he was gone chasing Kal-El to earth. This allows leaves room for the planet to blow up in a sequel. Perhaps by Brainiac? I would LOVE an appearance of Brainiac for a Superman movie.

I could definitely be on board with Krypton blowing up, but Zod having no idea. Otherwise, yeah, it won't make any sense why he's doing what he's doing.

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Follow Nolan's path for The Dark Knight and we're starting with General Zod. In a second movie go with the most famous villain, Lex Luthor, and in a third, give us Brainiac or Darkseid.

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Follow Nolan's path for The Dark Knight and we're starting with General Zod. In a second movie go with the most famous villain, Lex Luthor, and in a third, give us Brainiac or Darkseid.

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Please no Lex Luthor as a main villain. Lex is fine for comics, but doesn't translate to the movies well at all. Lex is a cerebral, behind the scenes villain, which means there will be few, if any actual fight scenes. This is one of the major reasons why Superman Returns sucked ass.

Give Superman villains that he can fight. Give him Doomsday, Mongul, Darkseid, Braniac, etc. because he can fight them and engage in a battle of wits (or in Doomsday's case, have a crisis of conscience as he realizes that he has to kill to stop him).

Lex Luthor is just not a good main villain because fundamentally Superman movies are action movies and you can't really have Superman and Lex directly fighting each other.

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Follow Nolan's path for The Dark Knight and we're starting with General Zod. In a second movie go with the most famous villain, Lex Luthor, and in a third, give us Brainiac or Darkseid.

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Please no Lex Luthor as a main villain. Lex is fine for comics, but doesn't translate to the movies well at all. Lex is a cerebral, behind the scenes villain, which means there will be few, if any actual fight scenes. This is one of the major reasons why Superman Returns sucked ass.

Give Superman villains that he can fight. Give him Doomsday, Mongul, Darkseid, Braniac, etc. because he can fight them and engage in a battle of wits (or in Doomsday's case, have a crisis of conscience as he realizes that he has to kill to stop him).

Lex Luthor is just not a good main villain because fundamentally Superman movies are action movies and you can't really have Superman and Lex directly fighting each other.

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How many fight scenes were there between Batman and Joker in Dark Knight? Two? The Joker even made a point to say that he wasn't a match for Batman physically.

TDK was very much a battle of the wits between Batman and Joker. I could easily see Nolan doing something similar in with Superman and Lex Luthor in a sequel.

I want Titano

I agree 100% with Bobcat06. There's definitely a Joker-esque way to use Luthor that could be truly effective, and potentially pretty great. Think Philip Seymour Hoffman's phenomenally malevolent Owen Davian in Mission: Impossible III. All Luthor needs to be is the guy pulling the strings. A sinister, uncompromising puppet master more or less in control or in cohorts with the actual, physical threat to Superman (whoever or whatever that may be). Either way, by film's end, we're apparently supposed to at least have a hint at who the villain(s) will be for the sequel, and I can guarantee you Luthor will be prominently involved as well.

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I agree 100% with Bobcat06. There's definitely a Joker-esque way to use Luthor that could be truly effective, and potentially pretty great. Think Philip Seymour Hoffman's phenomenally malevolent Owen Davian in Mission: Impossible III. All Luthor needs to be is the guy pulling the strings. A sinister, uncompromising puppet master more or less in control or in cohorts with the actual, physical threat to Superman (whoever or whatever that may be). Either way, by film's end, we're apparently supposed to at least have a hint at who the villain(s) will be for the sequel, and I can guarantee you Luthor will be prominently involved as well.

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So who is Superman going to fight? A cerebral movie is great but a Superman movie without any action scenes between Superman and the major villain will fail. Lex is a good villain, but he needs to be a background villain and not a major one.

The Joker works as a villain for Batman because Batman is human and can only react like a human, he cannot cover the entire city at once.

A realistic Superman could conceivably search the entire city in a matter of minutes, Lex absolutely cannot hide and cannot do anything against a Superman using his powers to their fullest extent (i.e. with Superhearing, superspeed, flight, xray vision, etc.). It works in the comics because Lex builds massive robotic suits to fight Superman, which would look ridiculous in a movie. A realistic Lex Luthor would not have a chance in hell against a realistic Superman who uses all of his powers. The only way it's possible is by making Superman stupid like the previous movies.

They have done the Lex Luthor as a villain for basically multiple movies and tv shows, do something new.

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Luthor should definitely only be involved if he is some sort of side villain or uses his intelligence to persuade a more powerful nemesis of superman. Definitely not in the mood to see any more real estate grand plans with kryptonite. It would be a huge challenge to do something with lex without kryptonite... but they shouldn't have him as a villain if they can't figure something out.

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A realistic Superman could conceivably search the entire city in a matter of minutes, Lex absolutely cannot hide and cannot do anything against a Superman using his powers to their fullest extent (i.e. with Superhearing, superspeed, flight, xray vision, etc.). It works in the comics because Lex builds massive robotic suits to fight Superman, which would look ridiculous in a movie. A realistic Lex Luthor would not have a chance in hell against a realistic Superman who uses all of his powers. The only way it's possible is by making Superman stupid like the previous movies.

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For starters, in the comics, Lex is not usually wielding robot armor and going toe to toe with Supes. He fights Superman through proxies, influence, and even legitimate authority. Of course Superman could disassemble Lex in a heartbeat, but he won't. Supes won't just snap the guy's neck. He attempts at all times to work within legitimate authority. We've already seen the guy in handcuffs (really? handcuffs?) so we know that this is the position he takes in at least part of the movie as well.

I always sympathize with Lex (and Batman, who shares Lex's fears in many ways). Luthor has a point. Living in a world where there is no countermeasure to Superman is a scary prospect to a powerful, intelligent man like Lex Luthor. You can make a pretty good argument that at least at the start, Lex Luthor is a patriot, or whatever the word is for someone who is a hero to the world instead of just a nation.

Superman can be distracted, out-maneuvered, and misdirected by a guy like Lex Luthor. That's what is cool about Lex, is that he's NOT superhuman. He can't go toe to toe with Superman. But, he still manages to stay a step ahead of Big Blue.

Bryan Singer's Lex doesn't get enough credit in this regard. Knowing how to manipulate Superman was a strong point of that character.

There are plenty of villains for Superman to punch in the face. I'd love to see Nolan/Goyer take on Metallo, Bizarro, Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, etc. in a more real-world type environment.

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Superman can be distracted, out-maneuvered, and misdirected by a guy like Lex Luthor. That's what is cool about Lex, is that he's NOT superhuman. He can't go toe to toe with Superman. But, he still manages to stay a step ahead of Big Blue.

Bryan Singer's Lex doesn't get enough credit in this regard. Knowing how to manipulate Superman was a strong point of that character.

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Agree on both points

TV Spot #3...

http://youtu.be/q5zVB7TZs9I

Plenty of hints at some truly amazing action. Love the quick Jor-El / Zod showdown bit too.

Btw, we're over month out and I officially don't need or want to see any more footage. I know I won't be able to resist, but I've seen more than enough already, and I'm beyond sold.

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New banner as well. First piece of print marketing I've actually really liked...

Wow on that tv spot. Never seen Supes so pissed. And that banner is just awesome.

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For starters, in the comics, Lex is not usually wielding robot armor and going toe to toe with Supes. He fights Superman through proxies, influence, and even legitimate authority. Of course Superman could disassemble Lex in a heartbeat, but he won't. Supes won't just snap the guy's neck. He attempts at all times to work within legitimate authority. We've already seen the guy in handcuffs (really? handcuffs?) so we know that this is the position he takes in at least part of the movie as well.

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I know, and it's why Lex makes a good villain. However what makes for a good story in the comics doesn't translate at all to an action movie format. There has to be other villains in addition to Lex, otherwise the movie will be boring as ****, as evident by Superman Returns.

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I always sympathize with Lex (and Batman, who shares Lex's fears in many ways). Luthor has a point. Living in a world where there is no countermeasure to Superman is a scary prospect to a powerful, intelligent man like Lex Luthor. You can make a pretty good argument that at least at the start, Lex Luthor is a patriot, or whatever the word is for someone who is a hero to the world instead of just a nation.

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He is right at first, but he is basically the anti-Batman here. He exemplifies perfectly "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." He's paranoid, but his paranoia turns into obsession, which turns into hate, which causes him to do all manner of evil things. Batman, however follows the "Trust but verify" mantra. He's ultra paranoid, but so long as someone does good things, he will trust that person, but will have backup plans in case they go rogue.

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Superman can be distracted, out-maneuvered, and misdirected by a guy like Lex Luthor. That's what is cool about Lex, is that he's NOT superhuman. He can't go toe to toe with Superman. But, he still manages to stay a step ahead of Big Blue.

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Part of the reason Lex stays ahead is through author fiat. The reality is that a being with Superman's powers, who also has an eidetic memory should never be outsmarted by someone who is just a human barring insanely advanced technology (in the comics Lex has this, but he wouldn't in the movies).

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Bryan Singer's Lex doesn't get enough credit in this regard. Knowing how to manipulate Superman was a strong point of that character.

There are plenty of villains for Superman to punch in the face. I'd love to see Nolan/Goyer take on Metallo, Bizarro, Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, etc. in a more real-world type environment.

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Braniac would be the best villain because he can both outthink and match Superman's power.

Darkseid is a perfect JLA villain, he too powerful for Superman alone. I would love to see a JLA movie with him as the main villain.

Very nice new TV spot

Since we're talking about potential villains, how about Vandal Savage? I don't know much at all about DC villains, but after coming across him I love his back story. But maybe Savage would be more of a Green Lantern or Justice League villain. I'll let you DC experts school me on this issue.

And I could definitely be behind Lex Luthor being the ultimate, or at least one of the ultimate puppet-masters battling Superman. Out-thinking, out-maneuvering him. Just as long as he uses other powerful super villains to do his dirty work and not your average earthly henchmen, as has been done in the past.

I personally LOVED how the cartoon series Young Justice handled most DC characters. The use of a council of villains like Vandal Savage, Luthor, Clarion, and others was awesome.

I do think of Savage more of a Justice League villain and teamed up with others.

Second awesome banner just released...

I'd like to see lex manipulating humanity against superman. At the end of MoS, humans will be wary of how destructive supes vs kryptonian fights can be. Have lex recruit another seemingly extraterrestrial threat to go toe-to-toe with supes and convince earth it's too dangerous having supes around, provoking superman v military fights in which superman's challenge is to win the fight without killing anyone til he can prove the "alien" threat isn't alien.

Unless Zod pulls a similar stunt to arrange supes vs military... Then you'd have to do something different to mix it up.

I really like that idea, Aggie_Journalist.

That's the "type" of Luthor that I'm talking about, Journalist. The type of Lex that was portrayed on Young Justice. And I think that type of villain is more up Nolan's alley than just a straight-forward strong/smart villain who can fight Superman head-on.

And Gradin, for a cartoon, you're right. Young Justice was great in how intricate the plotlines were regarding the villains - who were the ones really pulling the strings and what was their goal. I wasn't really a DC fan before that, but that show actually got me excited about the potential for a Justice League movie.

That banner. Wow.

Does anyone know if it had any scenes actually filmed in IMAX ala Dark Knight?

Nope. Unfortunately, I'm 99% sure no IMAX cameras were used...

Damn, that's too bad. Will be seeing it in IMAX 3D nonetheless.

Same here. I've voiced my hatred of 3D many, many times on here, but in the past year or so, I've found 70mm IMAX 3D to be a fairly pleasant experience. Even though the movie itself was horrible, Prometheus in 70mm IMAX 3D looked stunning. I wonder if the bigger (giant) screen has anything to do with that? Saw Iron Man 3 in 70mm IMAX 3D this past weekend, and even though it was converted, it didn't really bother me at all. MoS is converted as well, and I remember seeing the second trailer over Christmas in regular 3D, and I was really impressed with how good the conversion looked. Will never not despise the dim picture and glasses, though. At least the dimness will finally be adressed with the new laser projectors scheduled to be installed hopefully within the next year or so...

Warner Bros. has officially released 60-second previews of all but two tracks on the extended deluxe edition of the soundtrack... and it sounds phenomenal. Seriously loving this score...

http://www.watertower-music.com/releases_spotlight.php?search=WTM39426

Soundtrack will be available June 11th.

Also, just FYI, looks like the movie will potentially start screening for critics/press this Thursday. Even if reviews are embargoed for a couple of weeks, spoilers will likely start leaking that night, so be careful. I'll likely post any non-spoiler impressions here, but will be doing my best not to know/post any more legit plot details.

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I do like some of those song previews. I love a good orchestra OST to a movie like Star Wars.

Which track is the one from the last trailer that was pretty epic?

Good poster, but no need for the lens flare. I get the whole...superman flying in the light of the sun aspect, but it just is just too much/out of place here.

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