Nolan loves flashbacks. TDK is the only movie he's made that didn't use them.

Good point Bobcat. I think MOS will open with all the Krypton stuff. Then when we get to Earth, we will find a full-grown Clark in his wandering stage, and we'll get flashbacks to his youth.

TCTTS mentioned the bus flashback. Another potential flashback scene is when Clark is floating unconscious in the ocean. Trailer #2 showed him in this scene flashing back to when he was a child running down the school hallway and hiding in the janitor's closet.

Sadly, this could mean that we don't get any shots of Kal-El's spaceship landing or his actual discovery by Jonathan and Martha or his very early childhood, since these would not be in his memory. But hey, I'm not nitpicking. This will still be a great movie.

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Nolan tries to tell a story thematically rather than linearly. That way he explores one theme by jumping around in time then going to the next. It's particularly noticeable in Memento, Prestige Inception and Batman Begins. Dark Knight Rises and Insomnia aren't as bad but it's still there.

I'd expect MOS to have a similar structure to BB, where the first half of the movie is full of self discovery and jumping all over the timeline and the second half is a fairly linear build up to the finale.

Bobcat06 is spot-on. This sounds crazy, but Batman Begins is one of the most thematically-sound movies I've ever seen. I've studied it and studied it, just to see how Goyer/Nolan explore the notion of "fear" and/or justice vs. revenge in EVERY SINGLE SCENE during the first half of the movie. It's masterful, what they do and how they do it. If Man of Steel can inject that level of theme-weaving into the story, we're definitely in for something special. I'm assuming it'll have something to do with choice/identity, and the best way to explore those themes, like Bobcat06 said, will be whatever order of scenes best emphasizes those themes for the character. Which likely means "thematic lesson via flashback," followed by acting - or not acting - on said flashback lesson in the present day. A cycle we'll see a few times, I'm sure, during the first half of the movie. Yes, we might miss out on some of those moments Aggies76 is referring to, but it's a sacrifice I think will be better for caring about the character in the long run.

Goyer did an AMA on reddit. it's worth a read.

said the superman puinching Zod (posted earlier by me) is not a monkey in the middle

Consecutive power punches are not bad though Simplebay. I can't stop watching that gif that you posted.

talk about ripping off the space jockey. sheesh

New TV spot that aired last night, with new footage...

http://youtu.be/4Wnrse7H7kU

New poster also just released. While the trailers and TV spots so far have been some of the best around, I'll be the first to admit that the print marketing has definitely been somewhat underwhelming...

Lens flare, lawl.

I know it's racist, but it's weird having Perry White be black.

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But you gotta admit that having Morpheus as PW should be pretty sweet.

Agreed. And the woman to his left is rumored to be "Jenny Olsen"... potentially either Jimmy's cousin or sister. Jimmy is apparently referenced as on assignment or not currently at The Daily planet during the events of the film, obviously leaving room a larger role (and actor) for the sequel. But don't quote me on any of that, as none of it has even been remotely confirmed. Also, House of Cards fans, notice who's to Fishburne's right? Had no idea Stamper was even in this movie 'til doing this screenshot...




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Like I said earlier, they might be "adapting" more from Abrams' version than previously thought...

http://io9.com/the-man-of-steel-rumor-that-would-change-superman-for-t-487577190

And I think I'm seeing Jor-El in that scene in the latest TV spot where Superman is hovering in space in the Christ pose. Not sure how I feel about this.

^ Noticed that too. Was hoping it's some kind of hologram or whatever, but I doubt that it is. If Zod tracks down Superman, I'm wondering if Jor-El then goes after Zod. And then there's some kind of showdown / brief scene at the end with all three of them. Hmmm...

^ Yeah, part of Superman's pathos and what makes him an interesting character to me is that he's the last surviving member of his race. But in this story you already have another group of Kryptonians (Zod and his crew), so it might be an interesting twist to have Supes choose between returning to his home planet or staying on Earth as it's Protector. As long as he chooses to stay with us, I'm okay with this.

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I don't like this at all. This could ruin the film for me. I don't understand why they would change THIS part of the story.

Of course, the first time I saw Superman Returns I was kind of bummed about him having a kid out of wedlock with Lois; however, I warmed up to the idea the more I saw it, so maybe I'll be okay with this change too...

I'm holding on to the hope that Goyer/Nolan will still make a good story out of this. I believe that some of the recent comics have gone this route too. Superman purists are going to have a really hard time with this. Movie-goers who are new to the Superman mythology (and there are many of them) probably won't mind at all.

Like you said, Superman fanboy purists might not like the finished product, but as far as I'm concerned Goyer/Nolan have earned the respect of waiting to see the actual movie before I start worrying whether it will be good or not. And btw, Nolan has never let me down.

In that EW piece I originally linked to, there was a quote from Michael Shannon about Zod that I thought was slightly peculiar when I read it...

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Based on that quote, and I few other bits of info out there, we know that Zod is hunting down Kal-El not to kill him, but to A) "arrest" him - in a sense - for being a pure birth (i.e. not genetically manipulated, as everyone else on Krypton is), and B) to hold Kal-El to some kind of allegiance to Krypton. Point being, if there was no Krypton, Zod's motivation for going after Kal-El wouldn't make much sense. It'd be like the last cop alive trying to arrest a criminal, only with no police department, no jail to take him to, and no more laws. If Krypton is gone, there would be nothing for Kal-El to be patriotic to. And Zod wanting to apprehend Kal-El for being a pure birth, when no other Kryptonian citizens or laws exist anymore, would feel a bit lacking. In other words, if what we know is true, Krypton has to exist for Zod's motivation to exist. Otherwise, he's just hunting down Kal-El for revenge, and we know that's not the case. So, in that sense, I'm fine with Krypton still existing as long it's what's helping provide the proper motivation for the villain.

Besides, can't Krypton still be destroyed in the sequel? Would that not still have the same effect? Or is the whole point that Kal-El- has to be "alone" as he grows up on Earth? And isn't he already? I mean, all through his adolescence, he doesn't even know what Krypton is. In this version, I don't think he finds out about Krypton 'til he makes it to the Fortress of Solitude, so what's the difference? Growing up in Smallville, he knows he's a freak. Then his dad tells him he's actually an alien, but he doesn't know much more than that. To me, that's alienating enough (no pun intended), whether Krypton exists or not. Plus, I kind of sort of am starting warm to this idea of Clark losing one father (Pa Kent), only to find out he has another (Jor-El, who's still alive, but not yet reachable). That's kind of cool.

Further, the more I think about this, the more it lines up with the theme of "choice" that's so prevalent in the marketing. Like Aggies76 mentioned, I think he's going to have to choose Earth. It's not just this planet he's stuck with. He's going to have to choose to stay here and help us, which is almost more powerful and meaningful in a way.

Either way, I'll echo the sentiment that Nolan/Goyer (at least as a team), have never let us down. I trust whatever decisions they've made, and am going into this one with a completely open mind.

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You can't have Krptonite if Krypton is still in one piece, and it's been explicitly stated that this film doesn't have any Kryptonite in it.

Right.

Well. The more I hear about this the less I like

What good is having Shannon as Zod unless he's a pure psycho. And not just a psycho towards Earth, buy to superman as well.

Maybe Sod will want to eradicate the lower class. Aka earth and some Krptonians, and take the elite class off Krypton.

We do know Nolan likes to parallel (intentionally or not) political themes. Class warfare this time around it would seem

Simplebay, I'm thinking that Shannon will portray Zod as both patriotic and psychopathic. He's a good enough actor to present a more complex version of Zod, not one-dimensional like Terrence Stamp's version.

And I'll bet we do see a little class warfare happening on Krypton. That's why there's a civil war going on. Zod HATES the House of El probably because of some class or caste issues on Krypton.

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Seems Nolan had that in spades in The Dark Knight Rises.

As a life-long Superman nut, I can get behind the idea of Krypton still being around, and the choice that Kal-El must make between Earth and Krypton, and with Jor-El still being alive as well. This movie is looking more and more like it will be my favorite of the year.

Bobcat makes a good point about Kryptonite... They'll either need to blow Krypton up soon, or invent a whole new Superman weakness, which would really piss the fanboys off.

I always disliked the "invincible except when kryptonite is around" bit though. Took the suspense out of most fights, and made the others too gimmicky. Any chance they remove it altogether and make Superman mortal, just super hard to kill?

from what i understand. superman can die. sort of. or whatever. i dont know.

if they introduce that superman can die, with emotional and psychical weaknesses played off one another, im ok with that.

and he'd better ******* punch things.

Saw the extended (I think) preview when I saw Iron Man earlier today. OUTSTANDING preview. Although, why do Kryptonians all talk like Aussies?

Leaked pic from a children's book MOS movie adaptation. I'd say that's Krypton obviously exploding - and just when I was starting to come around to it staying intact. Don't know what to think now...





A few more leaked pics from the book can be found here. Somewhat spoiler-ish, but not really...

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=78920

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I'll keep my perverted thoughts to myself with that pic.