On a separate note....Gillian's body is SMOKIN'!!!!!!!

Great episode. Lot's of things set up.

The Philly stuff is all kinds of convoluted and has the potential to explode. From what I saw, Jimmy and his crew talked to the Butcher (great character by the way) and dealt to supply booze to his "speaks". The Butcher spoke of his hated enemy, who may be the current supplier of his booze, and who is the same dude that AR will use (with Lucky and Meyer acting as muscle) to bring Atlantic City booze through Philly. Now, aren't Lucky, Meyer and Jimmy sort of dealing behind AR's back? Won't Jimmy want to use Lucky and Meyer in the inevitable booze war that guy AR has ordered them to help?

I guess I was all wrong about Chalky's ability to read. I guess the wife gave him the book in jail for appearances with the rest of the fellas there that respect Chalky. That dining table scene was intense. I would not have stayed after dinner for music and laughter if I was that suitor.

I don't know if any of you watch the "On the Next BE" previews, but there seemed to be some pretty strong spoilers in there. Don't read below if you don't want to know.







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1. Nucky and Jimmy appear to be having a discussion outside of a huge funeral (Commodore?).

2. Jimmy seems to be catching all sorts of hell from the old guard who invested with the Commodore, implying that Jimmy isn't doing well without the Commodore's influence and direction. So I think mom beat him to death.

yeah this episode was very intensely emotional, but it set up perfectly for next week with the previews they showed us.

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I've heard that it is a Memorial Day ceremony and not a funeral.

They do show Jimmy or Richard dragging what appears to be a body out of a car and into a shallow grave at the end of the previews.

I am just uncertain what to make of the last scene... she obivously fakes that she is ok with what happened very well, but she finally snapped, or in reality acted out on what she has wanted to do for years. (good for her?)

Chalky is going to end up going to war with the KKK/the individual whites he knows attacked his still house, it will either end up costing him his life or his marriage or his family's life (setting it up that way, why else introduce them).

I think Nucky will forgive Jimmy if he asks for it, and they both end up having to fight incoming gangsters (either Philly, the Jews and/or Italians in NY, or Al in Chicago).


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Regarding the explosion. One agent sustained significant burns. How long before Van Alden interviews him in the hospital? I anticipate another gruesome scene where VA gets aggressive with his interrogation techniques.

Did the explosion take out Jimmy's supply? He already took money in advance for his Philly delivery...

It only took out 1 garage, they said they had every garage filled for 10 miles, and Jimmy says, go to 11.

I don't think the garages that were filled in a 10 mile radius were necessarily filled with their booze. I think that scene was to let the viewers know that all of Jimmy's booze was in one place and needed to be spread out.

yes, the explosion took out his supply. They were full up in that barn.

yes, the response that every garage was full for 10 miles just meant in general, not their stuff. Jimmy told him to go 11 and find more space.

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The maid admitted to poisoning him.

I still think Nucky had something to do with it. I think he was paying the maid to poison him, and then when Commodore64/Jimmy/Gillian found out, paid her off to take the fall. That would explain why, against the Commodore's wishes, Nucky has her flee rather than having her arrested.



It was Jimmy's mom that was posining the commodore last season. Nicky knew this, that is why he paid off the maid to take the fall.

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The maid admitted to poisoning him.

I still think Nucky had something to do with it. I think he was paying the maid to poison him, and then when Commodore64/Jimmy/Gillian found out, paid her off to take the fall. That would explain why, against the Commodore's wishes, Nucky has her flee rather than having her arrested.



It was Jimmy's mom that was posining the commodore last season. Nicky knew this, that is why he paid off the maid to take the fall.

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Agreed. I interpreted all that to mean that Jimmy's mom poisoned him but the maid had no problem getting paid off to take the fall because she wasn't sad to see him poisoned.

What Bunk and Hobo said.

This is going to put Jimmy in an interesting (have to scramble) spot with the Butcher. Took 5K....has no booze...none to seize on ships coming in because Nooky has rerouted to Philly...game on!!!

I had forgotten about the Jimmy joining Meyer and Luciano thing that someone mentioned above. That's going to make AR's order for them to help Nucky in Philly a bit ticklish.

The Chalky situation was REALLY weird to me last night. He basically gets exposed during his question and answer session, Nucky "puts him in his place" during their meeting, his family is pissed at him and he makes an ass out of himself at dinner... For someone that has come across as cool and in-control as he has for the past 1.5 seasons, they really pulled out all of the stops yanking the rugs out from under him all at once. Thought that was a bit strange.


Something I noticed last night. I've always thought the sets/clothing/etc. were really cool in this show, but it seems every week I make the comment to myself of "wow...he/she looks really cool in that costume/outfit". Last night when Jimmy came in with his son while he wife was finishing up Richard's painting, he looked hardcore gangster...black trench coat, black suit, black hat, etc. It just looked menacing. The do an AWESOME job with all of that throughout the show.


Quick question: Sepinwall referred to William Forsythe playing "Manny" in this episode....who was Manny? Or did I miss him?

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Was the barn rigged to blow up when someone tripped some kind of wire, or was it just a highly unlikely coincidence that it went off just as the two guys got there? If the former, does that mean someone's still walking around who shouldn't be?

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Was the barn rigged to blow up when someone tripped some kind of wire, or was it just a highly unlikely coincidence that it went off just as the two guys got there?

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Unlikely coincidence.

(input scene of irish kid building a bomb with a timer to blow up competitor's booze barn....fastforward to scene with 2 FBI dudes walking up to aforementioned booze barn.....BOOM)

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Something I noticed last night. I've always thought the sets/clothing/etc. were really cool in this show, but it seems every week I make the comment to myself of "wow...he/she looks really cool in that costume/outfit". Last night when Jimmy came in with his son while he wife was finishing up Richard's painting, he looked hardcore gangster...black trench coat, black suit, black hat, etc. It just looked menacing. The do an AWESOME job with all of that throughout the show.

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Agreed. I've long wished men's fashion would return to a more formal status. Mainly, I wish hats and vests were back in vogue. I absolutely LOVE the clothes they wear in this show.

Manny was the butcher / Jewish mobster in Philly.

Things are going to get interesting with Harrow and Jimmy's wife. Not a coincidence that he mentioned the story about falling in love with the nurse because she treated him like a person same as any other. He was getting the same treatment from Jimmy's wife.

I would not want to be on Harrow's bad side.

I thought he was saying he felt love for her before his accident, yet not after/while she was caring for him?

It seemed to me he appreciated his sister's love and care, but the war had changed him. He looked at his sister and "felt nothing."

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It seemed to me he appreciated his sister's love and care, but the war had changed him. He looked at his sister and "felt nothing."

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Same here. And then Jimmy says something to his wife toward the end like, "I don't know what you're thinking anymore," or "I don't know what's inside you anymore." It'll be interesting to follow, since I don't think the writers will parallel the Furio/Carmella relationship too closely.

Harrow was basically in love with his twin sister, who was his nurse after the war. When he returned from the war, he didn't feel anything for her any longer.

Yes the barn blew up because of the bomb Nucky's guy planted.

I don't have anything to base this on other than my gut...but I'm guessing nothing comes of Jimmy's wife and Richard...at least not in a love interest kind of way. I think the writers/producers WANT us to think something might happen...but betting it doesn't.

They are becoming very endeared to each other, which may become an issue if Richard sees Jimmy being rude to her or something like that...but I'm thinking anything romantic is out.

Thanks for help on the Manny thing. Didn't remember that was that guys name. I've just referred to him as the butcher.


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I'm guessing nothing comes of Jimmy's wife and Richard

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Actually, I think you're right. The family drama is clearly with Chalky. Richard is a sympathetic character and they're just making him more well-rounded.

And I don't think Richard would ever do anything (other than pine for Jimmy's "normal" life) to hurt Jimmy. He would take a bullet for him. I think Angela can just see that Richard is capable of feelings that Jimmy is not (or chooses not to share), which makes him "attractive". Richard is enamored with Angela's talent, but also may put her on an undeserved pedestal because she is the person that the person he reveres has chosen as worthy to be his mate. He doesn't know (I don't think) of the torment that Angela put Jimmy through prior to their marriage (the hair cutting, trying to move away with another girl).

The actor who plays Manny is an all-time great "that guy". From Raising Arizona to The Rock to Gotti to American Me, he always seems to dominate his roles.

bottomline, every episode so far this season has been SOLID!

I thought jimmy said "I never know what's going on inside him" about Richard.

that is what jimmy said, Pat...then I think his wife gave a look like "I never know what's going on inside YOU(jimmy)!"

I just want jimmy to start busting heads for nuck, but I have a feeling things don't end well for him.

Did anybody else take note of Nucky's lawyer, at Bader's birthday party, convincing Nucky to willingly make his legal troubles into a federal case with taking hussies across state lines (implying that Nucky's ties to Harding and the Attorney General will make the charges go away)?

Harding died in 1923 and his administration was rife with corruption. Might Nucky's relationship with Harding/AG backfire with Harding's death OR the AG turning Nucky down on account of corruption allegations getting into the public? Could Nucky go to prison?

I doubt they go this way, but the real Enoch Johnson did serve time in real life (albeit for tax evasion, not election fraud and after Prohibition ended). I just immediately thought when Nucky's lawyer put that on the table that it could backfire based on the history of the Harding administration.

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I agree that nothing will develop between Richard and Jimmy's wife...other than a mutual respect and appreciation like the above poster said.

Solid episode and next week looks to be excellent.

What is going on with Margaret Schroeder?

She seemed to be a quick learner on how to play "the game" by grabbing Nucky's ledger and money from the Feds and giving him solid advice on committing future transactions to memory. Now, she's starting to act like a spoiled b*tch to her staff. She's starting to act like she's forgotten that, just a year ago, she was at their level.

The skimming Nucky's money thing doesn't shock me, though. I think she's smart enough to plan for her and her children's future should anything happen to Nucky.

Oh, and I think if Gretchen Moll dropped trou right in front of me, I'd have a stroke too. She's been acting so loving of him because she's trying to install Jimmy as the Commodore's successor. That doesn't mean she's let go of the fact he raped her at 13. That beatdown was a long time coming, imo.

Yes, as terrible as it was to see an invalid getting beaten, I couldn't feel very much sympathy for that sorry old man.

Mayor Bader's birthday party took me by surprise. This show has to have more nudity than any non-porn airing today.

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Margaret is conflicted. She is uncomfortable with corruption (the servants stealing from them), yet she is the beneficiary of Nucky's wealth which is derived from corruption. She has probably never had abundance, so her first instinct is to squirrel away money for a rainy day.

Agreed though, she is acting high and mighty with the staff.

And just a couple of episodes ago she was sitting down to have a drink with them. She goes back and forth too much. I find it annoying.

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Now, she's starting to act like a spoiled b*tch to her staff. She's starting to act like she's forgotten that, just a year ago, she was at their level.

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To me it came across like she was taking control of her staff. I don't think she was being mean to them she was just taking control. After the scene I thought she's finally acting like a boss.

I'm wondering if she's stashing cash because she's afraid Nucky is in over his head and wants cushion, preparing for life after Nucky, or saving to do something for her family.