I was thinking that Fabio may have been smarter then he was letting on. But after the reunion show, I decided that no, he really isn't too smart.

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Maybe I should've said first time in 3 seasons the person I wanted to win wins

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Well put. I can appreciate this.

Still confused by Jane's vote for Chase. To her credit, she stuck to her "Carolina" loyalty that she crucified him for having a lack of, but after that bitter departure last week, I didn't think there was any way in hell anyone of those three (Holly, Chase, Sash) would have gotten her vote over Fabio.

Also a LITTLE surprised that Sash didn't get a single vote. And does anyone know what Probst's reasoning was for thinking Sash was going to be the first one voted out?

After the exchange last night, I REALLY wish Shannon would have stuck around for a while. The mix of that attitude and Naonka would have been nuclear.

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And does anyone know what Probst's reasoning was for thinking Sash was going to be the first one voted out?

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Probably because he was such a schemer and figured he would be noted and voted out with the quickness.

And I think Fabio's strategy was better than someone that just road the coattails of an alliance while not pissing people off. He wasn't quiet the whole game and he was obviously seen as some type of threat. He HAD to win the last 2 immunities or he wouldn't have been there.

I don't get the votes for Chase at all. He did explain himself better than some in the past, but he did nothing to make me think he wasn't there by as much luck as previous players.

Another big question is- could Benry have won? Benry and Fabio were essentially interchangable at his elimination point. When both were on the chopping block, Benry schemed and scrambled and Fabio laid low. They decided to toss the schemer who also seemed to have a small bit of an athletic edge. If they had flipped that decision, there is a reasonable chance Benry would have won out the challenges Fabio won...would the outcome have been the same.

honestly, i don't think benry was as likable as fabio, and would have lost at least one of his votes on that alone.

Oh and Fabio isn't dumb. He definitely has some IQ points. He's just clueless.

He's a male dumb blonde.

Everyone knows the hot chick that makes straight A's, but asks if The 10 Commandments is a true story.

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Let’s be honest, you don’t exactly give off an Einstein vibe. So how nice was it to win those two puzzle challenges at the end to show people — people like me, I might add — that you indeed really do have some smarts?
Yeah, man. I’ve been in a gifted program since I was five-years-old and that one Survivor puzzle was like special recognition stuff.

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http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/12/20/survivor-nicaragua-winner-fabio/

Maybe the right thing to say is that Fabio is just inarticulate. Perhaps he's not dumb, but he doesn't seem to be able to express himself without sounding like the stereotypical surfer dude.

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If they had flipped that decision, there is a reasonable chance Benry would have won out the challenges Fabio won...would the outcome have been the same.

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I think Benry would have stumbled on the puzzle challenge and would have been voted off.

edit: but yes, I do think that if he would have made it to the final three, he would have won.

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I think Benry would have stumbled on the puzzle challenge and would have been voted off.

edit: but yes, I do think that if he would have made it to the final three, he would have won.

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Agreed.

I'm glad Fabio won. He played a great game at the very end when it counted the most. Although, I was impressed with Chase at the final tribal council. He definitely won some votes in the end.

Also, interesting to hear that Jane won the fan's favorite plyer by the biggest margin ever.

I don't like the idea of Redemption Island. It seems too much like an MTV Road Rules challenge. Survivor is a great game that doesn't need to changed in a major way. I'd almost rather have a Rob vs. Russell season. But, I could be wrong. Maybe it will be a change for the better. Did they announce the new location?

Nicaragua. They started shooting 2 seasons back-to-back in the same locale with S19/20 (Samoa) to cut costs.

Question for other Survivor Fans:

Has there ever been a winner like Fabio?

This is a guy that wasnt ever in the dominant alliance at any point in the game.

I loved his quote that he had to wait until day 38 to finnaly be in a power position, but when he did he did it masterfully.

He turned the three person alliance against themselves in a way that not only benefitted him, but also showed the jury that he did have some strategic smarts to him.

He just sort of coasted along and then when it came down to his elimination he won every single immunity challenge that he needed to.

Until last night I cant think of anyone that really thought he had a chance to win.....at any point in the season.

Great win for a true underdog.

I can't believe the vote was as close as it was. It appeared he played a textbook perfect game of voting people out but having them still like you while you write their name down, winning challenges when he had to (three in a row), and just being a nice guy. I really thought it was going to be a 9-0 vote. How you can think a wishy-washy person like Chase deserved it is astonishing.

HTown
Chase is a man & Fabio is a boy /Alina
Holly had a long-time alliance with Chase

I was thinkin' Chase would get 1-2 votes but not 4.
and what if that LAST vote read by Probst would've been for Sash??

I thought that going into final tribal council...but Chase gave a fantastic performance at the FINAL TC....which I think helped win him a few votes

I think if Chase had been more assertive like that the entire game he would have won.

Another question. When they do a three person final tribal council What happens if the Vote ends up 4-4-1?

All the seasons they've had three Finalist it seems like the 3rd place finisher got no votes.

Call him wishy-washy, paranoid, whatever, Chase made the right moves to survive while others were finding themselves sent into the jury pool. I can understand why he got votes. I'm starting to think they need to take "outwit" out of the title, because it seems like outwitting puts you on the fasttrack to Crapville with most players. Outplay, outlast, and never-make-a-strategic-move-that-hurts-feelings is more appropriate. I'm not saying being a bullying a-hole like Russell is a good strategy that deserves to get votes, but I think there isn't enough credit given to folks that successfully "adjust" their alliances along the way to survive. That said, I thought Fabio played a solid game too. I was actually fairly torn on who was most deserving, but I certainly didn't think it should have been a 9-0 Fabio whitewashing.

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Go Fabio. He was definitely the most deserving player and much smarter than he led the others to believe.

I'm confused why Jane got the most likable award. To me she came across as a vindictive, hateful, and ignorant beetch that would always pout when something didn't go her way. Holly was WAY more likable.

Agree about Jane. She showed her true colors once she became a target.

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I'm confused why Jane got the most likable award. To me she came across as a vindictive, hateful, and ignorant beetch that would always pout when something didn't go her way. Holly was WAY more likable.

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I liked the things that Jane stood for, whether they made sense from a Survivor point of view or not. She tried to play an honest game, and she surprised the hell out of me in the endurance challenges. She won my respect by beating out those athletic guys on more than one occassion.

I guess it was just too early in the game when Holly decided to pull the stunt with Dan's shoes and then toyed with the idea of quitting, and she never really recovered from that in my mind. No way I would have voted for her over Jane in anything.

I don't think Jane "showed her true colors". I think she was upset and didn't handle it very well, but all I saw was someone who might have been a bit naive when it comes to alliances and honesty in a game like this where backstabbing is so routine. She let her guard down and trusted people who she thought shared her values, but she didn't realize that even if they do share them, those values mean nothing in Survivor.

It's a game where you have to scratch and claw your way to the finale, and she lost sight of that toward the end. She felt betrayed, poured water on the fire, and then made a final charge to try to save herself at TC. I can't hold any of that against her.

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That would have been funny. Do they make them revote right then and there? Make them go outside and start a fire?

yeah, with a 3 person final and a 9 man jury, what happens in a 3-3-3 or 4-4-1 tie? split prize money? they cant revote 3 months later.

You think when they are pulling them out of the bucket is the first time the producers have seen those votes?

You think when they write them on the paper is the first time production's been told who each person is voting for?

I think a little "that's a wasted vote, why don't you not vote for Sash" during a confessional interview is in play...

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I don't think Jane "showed her true colors". I think she was upset and didn't handle it very well, but all I saw was someone who might have been a bit naive when it comes to alliances and honesty in a game like this where backstabbing is so routine.

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sorry, GR, have to disagree. at final tribal (when she has had a few days to plan out what she wants to say) when she tells sash that his parents raised him to be a new york city sewer rat she showed her true colors. she is a nice country bumpkin when she gets her way, but a vindictive beetch when she doesnt get her way.

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You think when they are pulling them out of the bucket is the first time the producers have seen those votes?

You think when they write them on the paper is the first time production's been told who each person is voting for?

I think a little "that's a wasted vote, why don't you not vote for Sash" during a confessional interview is in play...

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i dont think anyone has implied otherwise, but that still doesnt answer what happens in a 3-3-3 tie or a 4-4-1 tie. regardless of how unlikely it is, they still have to have a rule.

Well, the vote was already decided when she made those comments. It had no impact.

That's what I'm saying. They would never let it happen. Someone would be coerced into changing their vote before it ever went on the slip of paper.

Here's a link to the contract they sign:

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http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor/2010_May_31_survivor_rules

They can literally make somebody change their vote, or whatever the hell they want to. And nobody is allowed to talk about it afterwards because there is a stiff penalty.

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I looked for the video and couldnt find it but I remember Jeff talking about how Sash would always mention that he had such a hard life and no one could ever know how hard it was to grow up black in Harlem.

I wish I could find it.

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Sash would always mention that he had such a hard life and no one could ever know how hard it was to grow up black in Harlem.

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It might be harder to grow up half white in Harlem than black in Harlem, but maybe that's just a stereotype.

I guess I worded it wrong, not black in Harlem, just in Harlem. But he did make a big deal about being black and the struggles he has faced. Jeff's thing was that it did matter what color you were on Survivor.

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sorry, GR, have to disagree. at final tribal (when she has had a few days to plan out what she wants to say) when she tells sash that his parents raised him to be a new york city sewer rat she showed her true colors. she is a nice country bumpkin when she gets her way, but a vindictive beetch when she doesnt get her way.

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Keep in mind that I'm only explaining why she won the vote or would have received my vote. I'm not talking about what kind of person she is. I don't know the lady.

1. By the time she made the comments that you are referring to, she already had the fan favorite vote locked up. We're talking about 15 seconds of talking after an entire season of showing America that she was an ass kicker. She got the vote because she was tough and continued to surprise people with her strength and endurance. She had already won by the time she said those things.
2. None of the comments she made about Sash being a New York City sewer rat go against anything I said in my previous post. It happened because she was hurt, which stemmed from the fact that she let her values get in the way of playing this game to win, and she assumed that certain other people did the same (which is a ridiculous idea). Again, I think she's naive regarding things like trust and honesty in the game of Survivor.
3. This isn't the first time that a fan favorite has made snide remarks to another player. Even Rupert has stooped to that level in the past. It doesn't change the fact that so many people love the guy.
4. My posts addressed the idea that Holly was way more likeable than Jane. It's interesting that two different people have labeled Jane as vindictive for the comments that she made. How should we label Holly for her actions with regards to Dan's shoes? It's not like when Russell burned socks to shake up the tribe and cause chaos. Holly did that to Dan because she was mad at him. She even said "Payback" as she was doing it. Let's not make her out to be a saint just because she turned into some kind of faux motherly figure for some of the girls out there. Like I said before, the shoe incident and her wanting to quit happened too early in the game, and first impressions are difficult to overcome.
5. Other than the whole North Carolina honesty thing with Chase, Jane's clashes were with Marty and Sash. Both of them were very polarizing players, and I bet a lot of people took Jane's side in those conflicts because they didn't like Marty or Sash anyway.

It's cool... disagreements on this sort of thing make the board fun. Just remember, America agrees with me, backed by the largest margin of victory in the history of fan favorite voting.

Well, I finally picked the winner this year but was not totally correct on how it would happen.

Got to respect the winner and the way he did it. Not sure how the producers found this many "intellectually challenged" contestants but I am amazed that they all made it to the end!! Voting out the smarter ones was this seasons theme! Marty, bye, Brenda, bye, Jill, bye....etc.

Ranking the final 6 on a decending IQ scale...

Jane, too dumb for words
Chase, Huh?
Fabio, luck and skill then IQ but not in the same league as Jane, dumbwise
Sash, outwitted.....himself
Holly, but not persuasive enough
Dan, smart but too weak, physically to even care

Survivor IQ in decinding order,

Jane, see above
Dan, too tired to think clearly
Holly, one strategy, "I am your loving Mother and supporter, keep me"
Sash, kept himself in it but Russelled his way to the final, killing any chance
Chase, was making good choices at the end
Fabio, actually earned his place with wit and physical skill

On to next year.

I'm pretty sure that Fabio had the highest IQ. He just plays dumb.

I think Fabio played the game exactly the way he wanted. Be friends with everone, act like you dont know whats going on, hang around as long as possible without posing a threat, dominate in the end and force people to respect that.

I thought Fabio did a good job in front of the Jury as well. Sash was talking about how there are only 2 factors since the 3 of them outlasted and he said he outwitted Fabio and Chase and Fabio comes right back with I outplayed you. He might be a ditz, as pointed out, but he is pretty smart guy.