Soooooo...I was bored.....and they have these websites that were no doubt created by some very bitter men who compiled data on how many American men actually meet the standards of women.

It was a site that was posted here awhile back I believe. Or maybe I found it somewhere else who knows.

And just for fun I used it nad statistics found on google to see how realistic some of the preferences on here are.

I wish I could have done it for the guys. However the site only had data on women looking for men and didn't have data for men looking for women.

I do find it interesting however that the information that was posted here by men and women reinforces a study I was reading about a month or so ago.

When viewing online dating profiles men on average rank about 40% of women's profiles as below average.

However women in comparison rank 80% of the male profiles they see as below average.....which when you think about it does not make mathatical sense.

In the end women are far pickier than men when it comes to dating. And when you think about it- to large extent they should be.

Dating traditionally is a precursor to child bearing/marriage. Women who shoot for the highest achieving mate possible are more likely to have healthier, more viable offspring that are better cared for, and the woman is more likely to be better cared for while she is bearing those children which makes her a better mother (from the point of view of being able to confer needed resources on her offspring). Suffice it to say that it makes sense from an evolutionary psychological point of view that women would do this.

Also, because women only want the best mates, it forces men to strive to be high achieving so that they can be worthy of the woman of their affections and in her eyes be a top mate that she would choose.

In essence women push men to be better and because women have children with the best men and push those best men to be better, a woman's selectiveness in men helps push humanity forward as their selectiveness makes each generation better than the last.

Well there is that and the fact that an awful lot of women ended up having children out of wedlock. Statistically and through DNA sampling they have estimated that there have been twice as many mothers as there have been fathers throughout history.

Which has interesting implications when you wanna talk about monogamy and fidelity....anyhow

let's get to the math.

aglaohfour said:

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Your Age: 40

Looking for: A decent male human being rules me out I suppose
Age: 35-55
Height: 5'10+
Physique: Healthy height/weight proportion. Prefer someone active for lifestyle reasons more so than superficial reasons. so no obese men. Over the age of 45 you are gonna have trouble finding a man in an active lifestyle. But let's see how the numbers look
Smoking: Don't mind occasional cigars as I enjoy one a couple times a year myself. No cigarettes or vaping.
Drinking: Yep.
Education/Career: Don't care about education, but stable career or source of income.
Kids: Doesn't matter.
Other: I don't want a relationship. Just someone cool to hang out with a couple times a week, who enjoys at least some of the things I enjoy, will go with me to the occasional social event and be cool to my friends, won't expect me to be in constant communication or get pissy because I've got other things happening in my life, won't want to meet my kid or have me meet his, and won't care if I go out with other people.looking for something casual and probably mostly physical with no commitment. got it.

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Based on your height requirement, we are unfortunately going to be eliminating 65% of the male population right off as the average male in the USA is about 5'8ish.

At the upper age ranges you stated in order to have what is considered a stable career, a minimum income of 70k is going to be needed unless you want to be paying for him all the time. Based on your preferences it sounds like he will need some disposable income to be able to go out on adventures with you and any man over the 40 age range will more than likely have child support/alimony payments to make which will cut into his income stability significantly unless we up it from the average income.

Assuming you have no hangups about race we will start off with 1.7% of the male population.

The good news is that because you are flexible for most other things we don't need to reduce this too much further. Eliminating smokers gets us down to 1.36% of the male population.

But for the 45 and over crowd we do have to start eliminating men for medical conditions and things that would detract from an active lifestyle that you want to share with him- thinks like heart disease, arthritis, chronic back pain, and just general laziness that accompanies that steep drop in testosterone men experience around that age.

So let's call it 1.1% of the male population.

Pirate04 said:

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Oh fun I'll play!

Ag_N_Houston said:

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Your Age: 36

Looking for: a dude
Age: 25-45
Height: at least like 5'8". I don't wear heels often so it's not a big dealon the face of it, this checkbox is more shallow than men who won't date women with little titties or women who are round. Because you can get implants and you can get on a stairmaster. You can't add inches to ur height. (And no I am not a short guy. I meet the 6 feet requirement. I just find it highly amusing when women get raving mad at men for having kinks like wanting a fit woman or a woman with a nice ass which ANY woman can achieve while women have a hard line about something men have absolutely no control over) but whatever.
Physique: I like 'em all the way from a dad bod to a CrossFit bod. I just don't want to be judged for having a little extra cushion. But not obese?
Smoking: No
Drinking: sure
Education/Career: stable career, doesn't matter what the education is
Kids: either way. Like I've said before, I just don't want the option of kids in the future to be off the table
Other: I need to be with someone who is honest with open communication, someone who can handle my crazy life and I'll know I can count on them to be there, someone who tries to understand what I do.so your life is crazy which means your career could make it difficult for you to "be there" and he needs to totally be understanding of that but at the same time remain emotionally available to you. Got it!

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Based on your age, height, and career requirements, and assuming you have no hang-ups regarding race...the broader age range makes the career thing a little difficult to gauge. A stable career for a 25 year old means an income of about 52,000 while for a 35 year old would be in the 70k range. To broaden your pool of potential males we will go with 52k a year.

So we start conservatively with 6.2% of the male population which meet your reqs. Narrowing that down additionally for smoking leaves us with 5% of the male population.

The desire for the possibility of kids doesn't narrow it down too much for the under 35 crowd (90% want them) but for the men over 35 there is abit of a drop off(70ish percent) Considering that as a woman of 36 you will not likely be dating as many 25 year olds as you will men 35+ we are gonna split the difference at 80% of men who meet your requirements will desire kids. which brings us down to 4%.

The additional restrictions on emotional availability, communication style, and being understanding of your career make things more difficult. Based on previous posts I am assuming travel for the job but not frequent relocation? Most 35+ men will be pretty set in their careers and not really willing to relocate for a prospective partner's job. But I don't want to assume that is what is going on with you at the moment. So let's just say conservatively because you believe it will be a barrier that at least another 20% won't be able to make your career work for them.

Which leaves us with 3.2% of the male population who might fit your requirements. Not bad.

Ag_N_Houston said:

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I guess I should play, since it was my idea.

Your Age: 42

Looking for: grown ass man
Age: 37-47
Height: at least 5'9", but my heart goes pitter-pat when I go on a date with a man over 6' So you want an average to above average man. Average male height in the US is 5'8ish But you feel you would be settling abit if he's under 6'0.
Physique: He doesn't have to be super muscle man, but he needs to workout enough to be healthy and to be able to pick me up for more than just a few seconds. Strong is definitely sexy.How much do you weigh? Anything over 140 and picking you up is gonna be difficult for any male with average strength. Gonna rule out obese guys
Smoking: big nope okay rules out 18% of men
Drinking: Social drinking is okay, like a couple of drinks with dinner on the weekend or a couple of drinks at a concert. Every day drinking or heavy weekend drinking is a turn off.
Education/Career: I don't care if he has a college education. I want him to have a career that he is successful with. we will input income of 60k or more. Average salary for men is 38k in the US. So successful would mean he has some disposable income. TBH in the age range ur looking at 70k is not very successful professionally but let's broaden the market abit for you and keep it there.
Kids: No kids is okay. Kids that are at least 13 are okay. only 28% of men above 35 have no kids so that will really reduce your dating pool
Other: I need a good communicator. I also need to be with someone that is affectionate. I like time to myself, so someone that is okay seeing me just on weekends is ideal.sssooooo.....You want a guy who is affectionate but only on the weekends?

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Narrowing down just by Age, career success, and health, we are left with 2.9% of the male population. And that is if you are open to all races and ethnic backgrounds.

Eliminating all smoking males reduces that number by 18% to 2.1%

We have to further restrict that based on preference regarding kids. With only 28% of men in ur preferred age bracket being childless and with the average age of men having their first kid being 27, that is going to further cut down the available pool as most men have 2 children and for the kids to be 13 or older, most men in your pool will need to be at least 41.5 years old. We should therefore conservatively cut the percentage of available men to 1.05% of US men.

From there we have to take into account that you did specify that he should be strong enough to pick u up for longer than a few seconds. I am not sure where you fit on the weight scale, but we will assume conservatively that you are 140 lbs or below. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that about 75% of men could do that (to give us the greatest pool of men to choose from, I am not going to knock it down further because of the older age bracket, reduced testosterone, etc) and that leaves us with .75% of american males.

Further Narrowing your search based on desires of being a good communicator and desire that this man only want a relationship and be physically/emotionally(?) Available on weekends and that gets us down conservatively to .5%

So if you want a guy who meets your bare minimum standards we are looking at .5% of the male population.

If you want your heart to go pitter patter we are looking at .3% of the male population.

You aren't even taking in to account what the dude looks like. Obviously ole boy can't be a butterface

Why does height matter to women? Who the **** cares if you're taller than the man? Women say they want a guy to be a certain height, but when men want no fat girls, we're the bad guys. FYI, you can control your weight you can't control your height.

But then they'll complain about how hard it is to date

LupinusTexensis said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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Seinfeld was right when he told Elaine that 95% of the population was undateable.

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More like 98% on a good day.

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This is absolutely true. I would be surprised if it is even that low. This is dateable. There's a bigger portion that can be considered worthy of bedding, but fostering some emotional connection with? Almost easier to find a leprechauns pot of gold.

Ags4DaWin said:

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Ag_N_Houston said:

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I guess I should play, since it was my idea.

Your Age: 42

Looking for: grown ass man
Age: 37-47
Height: at least 5'9", but my heart goes pitter-pat when I go on a date with a man over 6' So you want an average to above average man. Average male height in the US is 5'8ish But you feel you would be settling abit if he's under 6'0.
Physique: He doesn't have to be super muscle man, but he needs to workout enough to be healthy and to be able to pick me up for more than just a few seconds. Strong is definitely sexy.How much do you weigh? Anything over 140 and picking you up is gonna be difficult for any male with average strength. Gonna rule out obese guys
Smoking: big nope okay rules out 18% of men
Drinking: Social drinking is okay, like a couple of drinks with dinner on the weekend or a couple of drinks at a concert. Every day drinking or heavy weekend drinking is a turn off.
Education/Career: I don't care if he has a college education. I want him to have a career that he is successful with. we will input income of 60k or more. Average salary for men is 38k in the US. So successful would mean he has some disposable income. TBH in the age range ur looking at 70k is not very successful but let's broaden the market abit
Kids: No kids is okay. Kids that are at least 13 are okay. only 28% of men above 35 have no kids so that will really reduce your dating pool
Other: I need a good communicator. I also need to be with someone that is affectionate. I like time to myself, so someone that is okay seeing me just on weekends is ideal.sssooooo.....You want a guy who is affectionate but only on the weekends?

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Narrowing down just by Age, career success, and health, we are left with 2.9% of the male population. And that is if you are open to all races and ethnic backgrounds.

Eliminating all smoking suitors reduces that number by 18% to 2.1%

We have to further restrict that based on preference regarding kids. With only 28% of men in ur preferred age bracket being childless and with the average age of men having their first kid being 27, that is going to further cut down the available pool as most men have 2 children and for the kids to be 13 or older, most men in your pool will need to be at least 41.5 years old. We should therefore conservatively cut the percentage of available men to 1.05% of US men.

From there we have to take into account that you did specify that he should be strong enough to pick u up for longer than a few seconds. I am not sure where you fit on the weight scale, but we will assume conservatively that you are 140 lbs or below. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that about 75% of men could do that (to give us the greatest pool of men to choose from, I am not going to knock it down further because of the older age bracket, reduced testosterone, etc) and that leaves us with .75% of american males.

Further Narrowing your search based on desires of being a good communicator and desire that this man only want a relationship and be physically/emotionally(?) Available on weekends and that gets us down conservatively to .5%

So if you want a guy who meets your bare minimum standards we are looking at .5% of the male population.

If you want your heart to go pitter patter we are looking at .3% of the male population.

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Now factor in single, and interested

It takes hard work and discipline for anybody to weigh close to 105. You should feel good about that.

Ag_N_Houston said:

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I'm not going to feed the troll, but I did want to set you straight about my weight. I weigh 105.

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This thread proves why you don't date American women

Just here to say this thread is fascinating and can't stop following...

Ag_N_Houston said:

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Pirate04 said:

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And I'm officially done with this thread.

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Don't let one poster make you feel bad. He clearly has issues with women that have confidence. He tried to ruin this thread before. Once he went away, it actually became a funny little conversation thread. Now he is just trying to ruin it again.

Toxic people feel empowered when other people struggle

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@Pirate- why did what I say offend you? I am genuinely curious. You had the absolute best numbers of all the female posters.

@Ag_N_Houston- I am not sure WHY you consider it toxic to take a step back and evaluate how realistic your checklist is.

If you took the time to read my VERY first post, you would see that I actually applaud the fact that women are picky. It makes sense and is good for society.

Don't get me wrong- it absolutely SUCKS for any man not in the top 20%. But it's great for women.

Some people would look at it as me trying to help yall out. Which I really am. Does it do you any good to have unrealistic expectations that will never be met? Or might it do you some good to see from an unbiased perspective EXACTLY how realistic your expectations are so you might be a little more likely to give a guy who would otherwise be a great mate who doesn't quite check your highest priority boxes a chance?

For example- on the height issue- if half of all men are under 5'8 but you won't consider a man below 5'10 you have officially eliminated 70% of men. This is good information to consider!

Guys have the same issue. Don't EVEN get me started on how porn and instagram has made it difficult for men to have realistic expectations when it comes to women and sex.

And while I would have liked to run numbers on some of the guy's profiles, there was no easy calculator for me to use to start with a baseline.

TLDR: I am not intentionally trying to troll anyone. And no, I am not a bitter man. But sometimes taking a step back and measuring your expectations against reality can be good for you. Even if it is painful and upsetting at first it can open the door to greater things down the road.

I don't think he's trolling, just pointing out the stats. The fact that you're upset by this just means you're having a hard time accepting them.