I don't know much about Harriers, but don't F-35Bs have much greater stores capabilities?

I know # of stores are a function of length of mission, but since Harriet was so heavy, seems like I read F-35B could fly more stores on the same mission. And bring back more.

Not sure what you mean by the harrier being heavy, it's a lot lighter than the F-35. Empty weight about 16k and MTOW of 32k if my memory holds up. F-35 is about 30k empty and MTOW 60ish. I'm sure it can carry more if they don't care about stealth and use external stores. USMC wanted a supersonic stealth harrier and they got it. I'm just saying it's not the complete game changer capability wise the earlier poster alluded to.

That ME-262 in the foreground was re-created at Paine Field about 20 years ago by a guy I know. I got to help a little bit with it.

Here's a link to his project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_262_Project'

Harriers would pretty much never win in a head to head vs advanced fighters. F35 is not an F22 but it can do some serious damage and hold its own. The LHA/LHD can now stretch the air superiority mission that the Nimitz and Ford class carriers had to shoulder exclusively. They can work like a picket fence many miles away from the carriers. Yes the B model F35 is highly dependent on refueling, but the new refueling drones will make refueling much easier. They should be able to get a lot more of those drones operating in the battle space to support them.

LHA/LHD's exist primarily as amphibious assault ships, not as crappy miniature CVN's. They typically carry six jets, which is too few for a continuous CAP. Even with more jets, the air department is too small for cyclic ops. They are too slow to really operate with CVN's, so they can't count on their AEW or refueling. A picket for CVN's is a terrible idea, as they'd be dependent on the CVN, would slow it down, and would need a DDG anyway to be an actual picket which defeats the purpose of having a vulnerable LHA out there in the first place.

In theory, an LHA with 20 F-35's could be used to augment a CVN. In reality, they got slightly more capable jets for ships that can't really do much they couldn't already do with AV-8B's.

I appreciate this insight. I've been on the program 20+ years but no operational insight other than how usage affects structural loads.

We tend to live in our silos since the work is so specialized.

What. No mile high club??????????

The Arcane Texas Fact of the Day:

114 years ago today, on Feb. 18, 1910 a Frenchman named Louis Paulhan made the first recorded airplane flight in Texas. Louis did it in a Farman III biplane. After the Wright brothers' controlled airplane flights in 1903, aeronautical progress… pic.twitter.com/InE60IYRD2

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"Texas Kate," a Consolidated B-24 bomber during World War II. Assigned to the 7th Air Force, 30th Bomb Group, 392nd Bomb Squadron. Part of the inscription reads: "Captain W.S. Trewitt Dallas
Another Texas Aggie 1937
Kate's ol man

Crew Chief J.H. Springer
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Blue Angels IMAX doc, May 17

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A pic my dad took in Vietnam, in 1968 or '69.

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Anybody else imagine Ride of The Valkyries playing?

Or the opening notes to "Fortunate Son."

No Photoshop here! John Seay of Arlington, Texas in 1983. Under power lines and over fences is standard operating procedure for crop dusters. Yup. It's pretty cool to watch. pic.twitter.com/hh8ETHL0fX

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About the same I spent for a flyover ride on a b25, which was definitely worth it

You must be much, much more wealthy than I if $1500 for a B-25 flight could be "worth it" - unless they were flying you to Australia or something like that.

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You must be much, much more wealthy than I if $1500 for a B-25 flight could be "worth it" - unless they were flying you to Australia or something like that.

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nah it was a national anthem flyover before an a&m football game, 13 years ago when i had neither a mortgage nor a family to support, and had disposable income

when i've gone to Australia i've used reward points/miles

I've always loved airplanes, but I didn't think it was so difficult and responsible

This is a still from the greatest Texas commercial of all time.

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Old and tired B-52 is old and tired…….



My dad said he's looked out many a time and seen the wingtips above the fuselage and below the fuselage…..

B-1 83 said:

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Old and tired B-52 is old and tired…….



My dad said he's looked out many a time and seen the wingtips above the fuselage and below the fuselage…..

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I mean the plane has two takeoffs, one for the wings and one for the rest of the plane. At this point I simply respect these aircraft continuing to function, I assume mostly due to stubborn obstinance over any actual engineering reasons.

https://theaviationist.com/2019/11/20/lets-talk-about-the-b-52-strategic-bombers-characteristic-skin-wrinkles/

Oddly enough, I knew that. It's an amazing airframe.

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https://theaviationist.com/2019/11/20/lets-talk-about-the-b-52-strategic-bombers-characteristic-skin-wrinkles/

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This is called post buckling diagonal tension. We often go ahead and let large shear bays buckle and distribute the additional load to the frames and stringers. It's more weight efficient than making the shear panels buckling resistant.

You'll see the same effect on skin panels of large commercial transports like 747s.

Has nothing to do with aircraft gae.

Forget the wrinkles in the skin, what's with the shower of sparks coming from the bottom of the engines?

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Not sure what you mean by the harrier being heavy, it's a lot lighter than the F-35. Empty weight about 16k and MTOW of 32k if my memory holds up. F-35 is about 30k empty and MTOW 60ish. I'm sure it can carry more if they don't care about stealth and use external stores. USMC wanted a supersonic stealth harrier and they got it. I'm just saying it's not the complete game changer capability wise the earlier poster alluded to.

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Not sure how you can say an F-35 is not a game changer over the Harrier. It's software capabilities alone make it lightyears ahead.