****SEC INDOOR TRACK AND FIELD CHAMPIONSHIP 2023****

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Maddie Livingston with another PB in the 300! Grace Plain pr's as well!
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Wow, 4x400 relay gets 5th out of the 5 teams that finished, splits of 47.1, 46.1, 46.9, 45.7 for the first time in a really long time Pat Henry did not have his quarter milers ready to go, embarrassing
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Aggie men place 10th out of 13!!! We only beat 3 schools! One of which doesn't even have a distance program, and one we had like 12 more athletes registered! And the other team we beat didn't enter an athlete in 6 events!

Women will place 10th out of 14…

Really rough time to be an Aggie track fan… I'm only 24 and I got used to success after success, I can't imagine the people who got to witness decades of this dominance see what we're doing now… I know I try hard to hype up this team and get us excited for every meet even meets that I can't watch, but this is hard to watch! The men's side we get some 400 hurdlers and the women's have javelin throwers but outdoors won't be much different! Not until Pat Henry uses the transfer portal like the competition is…
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damn
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OUR GIRLS DROPPED THE BATON WOW
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Jania doesn't run any races all year, all she's been asked to do is run a few relay legs and was looking great but drops the baton
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I was wrong, our girls finish 10th as well!
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SEC Team Track Standings

10. Texas A&M Men
10. Texas A&M Women
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No words…
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The 4x400s on both the men's and women's side was difficult to stomach for many teams as way too many athletes couldn't get the baton around for varying reason. Painful to end a meet without the full hype fulfilled!
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Our girls scored in 4 events, with more than half coming in one event
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Wow! Interesting take now that you put it that way! That does sound kind of inept to be 10/13 when those other schools didn't even have a distance squad. This was a tough conference as we were not even a factor coming into today. I don't think we have ever been shut out of the scoring from the 60m, 200m, 800m, hurdles, TJ and LJ on both sides. This was indeed a scoring anomaly and a very lackluster conference showing all around.

I didn't expect to ever say that the highlight of a conference meet would be the shot put. Congrats to Bryce; well done! Perera and Distin were the only champions for A&M.
Congrats to them and alas congrats to Lance Harter.
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Very disappointing indeed.
I wonder what will be said on the Texags interview this Tuesday.

The sprinting were horrible. Very inconsistent. I really expected at least Ryan Martin to really blossom this season. He had run a 6.69 last year. I was really hoping at least one of the sprinters on having a breakthrough this year but it wasn't to be. Outside of Devane Achane in 2022 we have been horrible in sprints for several years now. Yeboah came from junior college with a 6.58PB and never got under 6.70 at A&M. I really don't know if the training methods have evolve and we are still behind but every school now have top sprinters even schools not traditionally good at sprinting. While Camryn Dickson improve alot this indoor season I compare her with her peers that went to Georgia and Caryl Gilbert did a great job with her freshmen class Autumn Wilson, Kaila Jackson etc.

We were dub the 800U for many years and now we are nowhere on the scene this year.

Not having triple jumpers and long jumpers is not good for the team. We traditionally had very good results with jump events. To date we have no one for the outdoor season. Arkansas took everyone from the portal.
Devante Mount jump 7.52m last year outdoors so I thought they might have tried him at the long jump but they didn't.

I also watched at our transfers that went to Florida. Neither Bamadele or Laila Owens didn't do better than they were at A&M.



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A&M track & field is in starvation mode without serious competitive depth anywhere. It has been a dry spell since I felt warm and fuzzy about our Track & Field recruiting classes. I don't know if we are getting killed by being out Nil'd or just out recruited by lack of recruiting effort.

Yes, I realize we have no indoor track this season to train on but that is not our problem. Our problem is quality in multiple events.
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Our recruiting is fine! Great even! But while we're developing freshman and underclassmen, the Florida's Arkansas, and Texas' of the world are reloading and filling their holes on the roster with transfers who are standing out at smaller programs! We simply aren't trying to do that our staff just can't…
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It's just so sad, we have these facilities, we have this great history, we are in the best track state in the world for high school athletes and we can't succeed anymore…
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taylorswift13 said:

Our recruiting is fine! Great even! But while we're developing freshman and underclassmen, the Florida's Arkansas, and Texas' of the world are reloading and filling their holes on the roster with transfers who are standing out at smaller programs! We simply aren't trying to do that our staff just can't…
I respectfully disagree. Recruiting is not fine, and certainly not great. We finished 10th in both men's and women's at the SEC Indoor Championships today.
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Our girls 2021 and 2022 classes have been recognized as top 5! We just don't fill the holes we need or complement what we bring in! One of those classes had a girl names Athing Mu

However our guys recruiting has been very lackluster aside from this year. but we signed arguably the top sprinter in the country in Issam Asinga, and two of the best hurdlers in the nation in Kai Graves Blanks and Arveyon Davis! These 3 will score in conference name up our 4x100 relay as freshman next year…
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But I understand where you are coming from! High school rankings and stats don't mean anything when you get to college! Recruiting is now much more than high school talent, it's transfer portal additions, as well as retaining your stars, so with that included we are failing!
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Right now, I think we've got some good developmental pieces that may eventually score at nationals but no one that's going to be your world class, anchor athlete that contributes in multiple events.

Just 2 years ago we were close to a national championship with Mu, Gittens, Acquah, Young, and Distin. If we had some short sprinters, distance athletes or took advantage of the free covid transfer rule we might have had it. We just haven't replaced them or filled in our weak spots.

Coming after Mu is tough. Some athletes would have wanted to train with her, but she's moved on and others wouldn't want to be compared to her.

We're farther off on the men's side. We've had some good 400-800M athletes, but way too many holes.
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Lol our recruiting sucks…all we have now is a nice facility….and a moment in time where we were elite. Probably need to fire him….should have been done two years ago, but won't happen.
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Texas A&M Quotes
Head Coach Pat Henry
On Moving Forward from the SEC Meet …
"It's fair to say that I'm disappointed with today's results. We're going to have to change, and it's going to take help to make this change. We need to commit to change. There were a lot of positive things that happened today, but we have a lot of catching up to do as well. We're Texas A&M, we will bounce back. This program has been strong for a long time, and we will remain strong."
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taylorswift13 said:

Our girls 2021 and 2022 classes have been recognized as top 5! We just don't fill the holes we need or complement what we bring in! One of those classes had a girl names Athing Mu

However our guys recruiting has been very lackluster aside from this year. but we signed arguably the top sprinter in the country in Issam Asinga, and two of the best hurdlers in the nation in Kai Graves Blanks and Arveyon Davis! These 3 will score in conference name up our 4x100 relay as freshman next year…
You can argue someone's perception that our 2021 and 2022 women's recruiting classes were top 5 was bogus, or our development process is awful. The fact is our women's team placed 10th this year at SEC championships.

Same goes for the men's track team. Whether it's high school recruiting or transfer portal, A&M track is not getting it done! Neither the men's nor women's track teams have the accumulation of talented depth for a 17-event championship track meet. For example, at yesterday's Big 12 championships Texas Tech's men scored 159 points to win the team championship. They, for example, racked up 19 points in the triple jump, 32 points in 60 hurdles, 32 points in 60 dash, 10 points in 200 dash, and 12 points in pole vault. Regardless of how you get there, this is what it takes to win. This is how Arkansas does it year after year.
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Pat Henry is a coaching legend in the sport of track and field. I really wish he would retire so that he can be remembered as a legend rather than just another one-time great that stayed too long. I agree with you that recruiting or development is not what it should be (maybe both),
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You are right!! I'm just as disappointed, if not more! This is my favorite sport and my favorite team! It's hard to watch this I've followed every 1k in cross country and every heat of every race this year, this isn't Texas A&M Track and Field
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triniaggie said:



Texas A&M Quotes
Head Coach Pat Henry
On Moving Forward from the SEC Meet …
"It's fair to say that I'm disappointed with today's results. We're going to have to change, and it's going to take help to make this change. We need to commit to change. There were a lot of positive things that happened today, but we have a lot of catching up to do as well. We're Texas A&M, we will bounce back. This program has been strong for a long time, and we will remain strong."
I am so happy to hear this and not the same beating around the bush answer that doesn't take accountability or responsibility. Usually these articles will just talk about the few bright spots and it rarely ignores the bad, so I'm happy to hear this. He is clearly upset as he should be! Hopefully it lights a fire under him!
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gigem1966 said:

Pat Henry is a coaching legend in the sport of track and field. I really wish he would retire so that he can be remembered as a legend rather than just another one-time great that stayed too long. I agree with you that recruiting or development is not what it should be (maybe both),

I agree and the same thing Gary Blair did and we are now having to build our women basketball from scratch instead of succession planning. Sometimes you have to learn to let go to things you love. It's hard at times but you have to do it for the betterment of all.

If you are old school and everything is changing around you, what do you do?

The development of athletes in the 400m, 800m and some jump events have been good. Outside of that there is not much to show over the last 5 years.
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taylorswift13 said:

triniaggie said:



Texas A&M Quotes
Head Coach Pat Henry
On Moving Forward from the SEC Meet …
"It's fair to say that I'm disappointed with today's results. We're going to have to change, and it's going to take help to make this change. We need to commit to change. There were a lot of positive things that happened today, but we have a lot of catching up to do as well. We're Texas A&M, we will bounce back. This program has been strong for a long time, and we will remain strong."
I am so happy to hear this and not the same beating around the bush answer that doesn't take accountability or responsibility. Usually these articles will just talk about the few bright spots and it rarely ignores the bad, so I'm happy to hear this. He is clearly upset as he should be! Hopefully it lights a fire under him!
Disappointment is normally the product of surprise. Pat Henry was NOT surprised with yesterday's results. He is with his kids every day and knows the meet's outcome in advance. Track coaches are masters of counting points based upon times and distances of all competitors in every event. Coach Henry is a smart man, and he can count points.
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In the 40s we won the SWConference SIX years in a row !
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Not trying to be rude or controversial but has anyone ever considered how all this negativity might come across to potential athletes? I am the parent of a current track athlete and I NEVER point him here or share comments from these forums. I worry how it will impact him psychologically. My job is to encourage and build him up so he can continue to grow and achieve his full potential. I can guarantee, no one here wants these kids to succeed more than they do. They eat, sleep and dream for success. They work extremely hard, sacrifice and strive, not for a few months (the season) but for days, weeks and years. The things they are achieving have been years in the making. I myself come on here often as I learn a lot about the sport and appreciate the expertise that is shared. I also love the level of enthusiasm for a sport few appreciate. However, I do wonder how a potential athlete, who reads that our program is horrible and our coaches need to retire might feel. If that athlete is considering A&M vs. another program, I'd bet they'd reconsider. Maybe having "fans" that are disgusted and embarrassed by the program isn't helping our recruiting either. Just some food for thought.
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There you have it folks, I TAYLOR FREAKING SWIFT, along with Triniaggie, Look Out Below, Guest Commenter, TRM, Friend of RC II, and the rest of you amazing posters who frequent this board are the reason for the decline in Texas A&M Track and Field… it wasn't recruiting, it wasn't the transfer portal, it wasn't anything the team did, it was US HERE on a message board! Guess I gotta enter the transfer portal now, maybe I'll go to Florida or Arkansas that's where all the top athletes go!
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AggieBandMom22 said:

Not trying to be rude or controversial but has anyone ever considered how all this negativity might come across to potential athletes? I am the parent of a current track athlete and I NEVER point him here or share comments from these forums. I worry how it will impact him psychologically. My job is to encourage and build him up so he can continue to grow and achieve his full potential. I can guarantee, no one here wants these kids to succeed more than they do. They eat, sleep and dream for success. They work extremely hard, sacrifice and strive, not for a few months (the season) but for days, weeks and years. The things they are achieving have been years in the making. I myself come on here often as I learn a lot about the sport and appreciate the expertise that is shared. I also love the level of enthusiasm for a sport few appreciate. However, I do wonder how a potential athlete, who reads that our program is horrible and our coaches need to retire might feel. If that athlete is considering A&M vs. another program, I'd bet they'd reconsider. Maybe having "fans" that are disgusted and embarrassed by the program isn't helping our recruiting either. Just some food for thought.


I beg to differ on your views because on the recruiting trail people and coaches will pouch athletes from us and would also say negative things about our program. So their is lots of negativity from other programs towards us. I heard of many stories of what was said to recruits about us from other schools. It has nothing to do with fans who come out and support the Aggies and week after week waiting on the start list and heat sheet to follow the athletes and further more pay subscription to watch the Aggies. We have some of the most supportive and understanding fans. Most of us here have been truly supportive of the track program and it not easy to sit and watch and see the program struggling. I guess we all have our option so we are not to blame for the current state of the program and recruiting. I could type all night but leave it at this
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True. I am kind of an *******.
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You are correct, it is not easy to see the program struggle. More than the program, it's heartbreaking to see these kids disappointed. Disappointed in themselves and the program they've believed in. Running for the Aggies was my kids dream. So much so, he was willing to give up opportunities at other schools because being an Aggie was more important than running. His loyalty is to the marrow. Loyalty like that is rare and the lack is changing collegiate sports. Didn't mean to offend, just suggesting an alternative approach might prove positive in some instances.
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To quote Coach Pat Henry, "We're Texas A&M." His statement mirrors my feelings as a former member of the Texas Aggie track team some 60 years ago and a graduate of Texas A&M University. Since when do we accept placing 10th in anything?

Now that collegiate athletics has gone "professional" via NIL and transfer portal, I tend to cease worrying too much about the delicate feelings of our athletes in any sport. It was only a few days prior to the SEC Championships that I received an email letter from Pat Henry that appeared to to sent to all past track lettermen regarding 12th Man+. The letter encouraged its readers to embrace NIL via 12th Man+ by designating money gifts to Track & Field. I highly respect Coach Henry for his history at LSU and Texas A&M, but I realize currently we are in a competitive disadvantage. Evidence shows we finished 10th in both women's and men's team standings. Perhaps a few of our tracksters should do the honorable thing and become student managers just like I did over 60 years ago! Gig 'em…
 
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