Rates of COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations and Deaths by Vaccination Status

I posted this information a while back but updates have been delayed quite a bit. Updates do appear to be more frequent (but still a huge data lag). They also compares the 3 vaccines.

Incidents per 100,000 population:


Age--------No Vax --- Vax ---Ratio

Tested Positive (week ending 10/2/21)
12-17 ------- 494 ------- 48 ------- 10 X
18-29 ------- 362 ------- 80 -------- 5 X
30-49 ------- 475 ------ 108 ------- 4 X
50-64 ------- 435 -------- 91 ------- 5 X
65-79 ------- 589 -------- 90 ------- 7 X
80+ --------- 276 ------- 101 ------- 3 X


Hospitalizations (week ending 10-30-21)
12-17 -------- 2.8 ------- 0.1 ------- 28 X
18-49 ------- 16.6 ------ 1.2 ------- 14 X
50-64 ------- 49.5 ------ 3.2 ------- 15 X
65+ ---------- 131 ----- 12.4 ------- 11 X
Overall ----- 47.3 ------ 3.9 ------- 12 X


Deaths (week ending 10/2/21)
12-17 -------- not enough data--------
18-29 -------- 0.2 ------- 0.0 -------
30-49 -------- 1.7 ------- 0.1 ------- 17 X
50-64 -------- 8.4 ------- 0.4 ------- 21 X
65-79 ------- 31.9 ------ 1.6 ------- 20 X
80+ ---------- 38.3 ------ 6.5 ------- 6 X

Thanks for the updated stats. The vaccines still help up well enough to delta, even in the testing positive category.

Nosmo said:

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Deaths (week ending 10/2/21)
12-17 -------- not enough data--------
18-29 -------- 0.2 ------- 0.0 -------
30-49 -------- 1.7 ------- 0.1 ------- 17 X
50-64 -------- 8.4 ------- 0.4 ------- 21 X
65-79 ------- 31.9 ------ 1.6 ------- 20 X
80+ ---------- 38.3 ------ 6.5 ------- 6 X

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Let those numbers sink in.

BuT tHey ArE LeAkY

Can we get a chart that is broken out by BMI instead of age?

Do they get BMI of every positive Covid test?

Still safe and effective. Impossible to say otherwise at this point.

SamHou said:

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Yes, they are. Which is significant, despite your snarky post.

What's your point?

No they aren't. Which is the point. Despite your ignorant post.

gunan01 said:

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No they aren't. Which is the point. Despite you're ignorant post.

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How would you define leaky?

Also, thousands of companies and venues have policies that if you are unvaccinated you have to take a test to enter so it stands to reason that more unvaccinated people are getting tested than vaccinated. Also vaccinated people are not as likely to take a test for mild symptoms because they are vaccinated and feel like they can't catch or transit Covid. This board loves to scream "correlation does not equal causation" anytime it suits their cause but then it's crickets when they get their hands on official narrative data.

as to "leakiness". pulling this full data set from the CDC and looking at just July-October to capture the delta wave here is what you get for vaccine efficacy at preventing infection

All Vaccines: 84.5%
J&J: 79.4%
Pfizer: 83.2%
Moderna: 88.4%

WoMD said:

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SamHou said:

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Yes, they are. Which is significant, despite your snarky post.

What's your point?

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Vaccinations reduce infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. Despite some ill informed posters' claims

There is no such thing as "leaky". It's just anti-vaxxer jibberish. Hth.

Ribbed Paultz said:

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There is no such thing as "leaky". It's just anti-vaxxer jibberish. Hth.

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[url] https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715#What-We-Learned-from-Chickens[/url]

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These less-than-perfect vaccines create a "leaky" barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population.

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It seems pretty accepted that fully vaccinated people can catch and transmit Covid. I agree that leaky isn't very well defined and doesn't really mean much but to pretend it is a concept invented by anti-vaxers is dishonest.

I would say in regard to Covid it started around the time they started making a big deal about breakthrough infections. Everyone was lead to believe if you were vaccinated you could no longer catch and transmit Covid and then we started tracking breakthroughs and wondering if we had a leaky vaccine.

SamHou said:

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WoMD said:

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SamHou said:

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BuT tHey ArE LeAkY

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Yes, they are. Which is significant, despite your snarky post.

What's your point?

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Vaccinations reduce infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. Despite some ill informed posters' claims

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My brother in law and sister live in Colorado and are both vaccinated with recent boosters. Their 6 year old daughter brought a "cold" home from school on a Thursday. My BIL got his annual flu shot on a Friday and he had a "reaction to the flu shot" the next day. They tested their daughter for Covid twice and was negative twice. He was really really sick for one day and the next he was back 100%. Went to a concert on Sunday then went to a major work conference with lots of small meetings. He had a mild lingering cough from the cold his daughter brought home. By the next Thursday he's home, he lost his taste and smell and then my sister gets sent home from work after a positive test with no symptoms. She teaches 2nd graders and was with them all week and the school didn't test her because again the daughters two tests were negative and the parents were fully vaccinated and felt mostly great except an extremely mild cough.

The vaccine did a great job at keeping them from getting very sick but they exposed thousands of people. They may have been just fine without the vaccine as well but the shot gave them and everyone around them false confidence. Draw your own conclusions how that false confidence impacted the greater community.


ETA: and I write this as someone very close to the medical community as my father is a doctor and has been very pro vax and I am fully vax as I am immuno compromised as is my mother so spare me the anti vax BS. My dad has done a complete 180 on the shot and is pushing only for high risk population to protect themselves.

Blaming "false confidence" could be a slippery slope that increases mandates. I can easily see liberals saying "oh, you are right, we should all be confined to home until this virus is gone"

All we need to do now is live with this virus.

Vaccinate if you want. No shame for not vaccinated. No mocking of people who get vaccinated and still get sick.

Wear PPE if you want.

If you get sick or feel sick stay home (as society has largely done since its start). If you want to test to see what it is, fine. If not, fine too.

When symptoms resolve, return to life as normal.

The concept is not difficult at this point. We have plenty of vaccines and treatments.

Lets all move along.

Ribbed Paultz said:

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There is no such thing as "leaky". It's just anti-vaxxer jibberish. Hth.

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Using the term anti-vaxxer immediately outs you as someone who has difficulty communicating.

Let me help.

The word you are trying to spell is "Gibberish"; unless you intended to include the phonetic pronunciation, instead of the actual word. The word you are looking for is "Jargon."

Periods & Commas go inside the quotation marks; while commas, semi-colons & dashes go outside.

You make it so difficult to be anything but a grammar nazi....and if you are going to insult someone by incorrectly using the term "anti-vaxxer" at least do it in proper English.

G. hirsutum Ag said:

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SamHou said:

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WoMD said:

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SamHou said:

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BuT tHey ArE LeAkY

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Yes, they are. Which is significant, despite your snarky post.

What's your point?

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Vaccinations reduce infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. Despite some ill informed posters' claims

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My brother in law and sister live in Colorado and are both vaccinated with recent boosters. Their 6 year old daughter brought a "cold" home from school on a Thursday. My BIL got his annual flu shot on a Friday and he had a "reaction to the flu shot" the next day. They tested their daughter for Covid twice and was negative twice. He was really really sick for one day and the next he was back 100%. Went to a concert on Sunday then went to a major work conference with lots of small meetings. He had a mild lingering cough from the cold his daughter brought home. By the next Thursday he's home, he lost his taste and smell and then my sister gets sent home from work after a positive test with no symptoms. She teaches 2nd graders and was with them all week and the school didn't test her because again the daughters two tests were negative and the parents were fully vaccinated and felt mostly great except an extremely mild cough.

The vaccine did a great job at keeping them from getting very sick but they exposed thousands of people. They may have been just fine without the vaccine as well but the shot gave them and everyone around them false confidence. Draw your own conclusions how that false confidence impacted the greater community.


ETA: and I write this as someone very close to the medical community as my father is a doctor and has been very pro vax and I am fully vax as I am immuno compromised as is my mother so spare me the anti vax BS. My dad has done a complete 180 on the shot and is pushing only for high risk population to protect themselves.

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I would say this false confidence could potentially be an issue, and especially when viewed through the lens of the individual is problematic but when looked at it from a population level, it would seem this is a statistical anomaly. if the vaccine has a ~83% efficacy against infection (i understand that number could be a little off in either direction) that means for every 1 person who gets a break through infection, there are 5 who would have gotten it but didn't. so the question then becomes, does that 1 person who got it, on average, have enough points of contact that their increased confidence causes them to spread the virus to more people than the other 5 would have had they gotten the virus? because if not the net impact on a population level is still in the right direction.

and my guess is that in the aggregate the answer is no that 1 person does not have a 6 fold increase in transmissions from themselves. I don't have the data to validate that but just thinking that some of those 1 will have noticeable symptoms, a positive test and then no points of additional contact, so to get an average increase in transmissions of 6x those in the "increased confidence" subset would have to have a massive increase in transmissions.

Watching people who don't believe in Evolution try to reconcile evolution of viruses due to a "leaky" vaccine is all kinds of hilarious.

gunan01 said:

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Watching people who don't believe in Evolution try to reconcile evolution of viruses due to a "leaky" vaccine is all kinds of hilarious.

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I don't of anyone who doesn't believe in evolution with a small "e". It's the big "E" evolution that folks are skeptical about, myself included.

However, I'm also skeptical (although open to being wrong) about the leaky vaccine theory. From my lay perspective, both sides of that debate seem to have good points.

Ribbed Paultz said:

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There is no such thing as "leaky". It's just anti-vaxxer jibberish. Hth.

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There are literally peer reviewed studies of the reality of leaky vaccines.

Yes, but it was pretty obvious the scientists studying chickens in 2015 were antivaxers and set the stage for this claim on COVID vaccines.

Duh.

gunan01 said:

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Watching people who don't believe in Evolution try to reconcile evolution of viruses due to a "leaky" vaccine is all kinds of hilarious.

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Your post might make sense if someone had claimed a leaky vaccine turned Covid into cancer. But no one did that. So your post makes no sense.

If failure to stop infection means a vaccine is a "leaky" then virtually all vaccines are "leaky".

Salute The Marines said:

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If failure to stop infection means a vaccine is a "leaky" then virtually all vaccines are "leaky".

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Agreed. There's a lack of media coverage on all the polio breakthrough cases.

The polio vaccine does not prevent infection. It was only 60 to 70 percent effective against all types of polio.

If mumps were actively circulating there would be plenty of breakthrough cases.

And based on compiled data from state health departments through the main delta wave, the unvaccinated were getting COVID at nearly 6 times the rate of the vaccinated.