https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article255654466.html

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The study showed that Texans not vaccinated against COVID-19 were about 20 times more likely to suffer a COVID-19-related death and 13 times more likely to test positive than people who were fully vaccinated.

The efficacy of the vaccine has been most integral to younger age groups, the study shows. The risk of COVID death was 48 times higher in unvaccinated people in their 30s and 63 times higher for people in their 40s, compared with their vaccinated peers, the DSHS release said.

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Always like to see the data for the vaccine be as robust as this. Good news!

The vaccine doesn't work

/f16

48 X a really small number is still a really small number no matter which way you slice it.

I'll continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/09/texas-unvaccinated-deaths-higher-covid/

45x more likely to get infected, 40x more likely to die since when vaccines became available. Delta worse for everyone, but the vaccines are still protecting against both infections and severe disease.

Between the monoclonals and oral anti virals, those numbers probably get better from here out. But that's still about 22,000 Texans that would be alive today if they got a vaccine.

But I'm a critical thinker and I did my own research.

Forum Troll said:

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The vaccine doesn't work

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On the credentials of having been labeled as "the worst poster on this board" and a representative "F666"; I can say that I'm quite happy that the vaccine is helping!

Now - that doesn't mean I have any intent to get it personally but it's wonderful that at-risk folks have an option to significantly reduce their risks.

So what does that put my odds at dying? Are we talking like a 20% of dying? Hell, I can't even catch the damn virus, not sure how I'm gonna die from it.

Stringfellow Hawke said:

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Lol if you believe deaths are caused by covid. Research the meaning of dying with covid and of covid.

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Yes the pulmonologist, infectious disease doc and others on this board that have literally watched people die from covid are definitely wrong on this one.

coolerguy12 said:

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48 X a really small number is still a really small number no matter which way you slice it.

I'll continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity.

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What has your physician suggested you do?

Salute The Marines said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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48 X a really small number is still a really small number no matter which way you slice it.

I'll continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity.

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What has your physician suggested you do?

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My risk is on par with the flu, why do I need to consult a doctor for such mundane decisions?

The topic of "should I get vaccinated against the world wide pandemic" never came up at your yearly checkup?

coolerguy12 said:

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48 X a really small number is still a really small number no matter which way you slice it.

I'll continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity.

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At least get a life insurance policy for your family so we don't have to see the go fund me.

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Stringfellow Hawke said:

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Lol if you believe deaths are caused by covid. Research the meaning of dying with covid and of covid.

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Yes the pulmonologist, infectious disease doc and others on this board that have literally watched people die from covid are definitely wrong on this one.

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Or the list of posters who enjoyed weeks on end in the hospital or even the doctor poster who disappear because he passed away of it before there was a vaccine….but these guys have it wired.

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coolerguy12 said:

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48 X a really small number is still a really small number no matter which way you slice it.

I'll continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity.

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At least get a life insurance policy for your family so we don't have to see the go fund me.

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The massive eye roll triggered by this post was more dangerous to my health than Covid. I refuse to believe that people actually live with this level of fear. Not sure I would even call it living at that point. Merely waiting to die.

Amazing that people dismiss the "small risk" of COVID yet fixate on internet stories of all sorts of health effects from the vaccine.

Facts are:

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There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine.

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By way of comparison, getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated poses a grave risk; as of July 23, 2021, more than 610,000 deaths have been attributed to the virus in the US alone. Not everyone who dies while having COVID is counted towards this total. Suppose someone who tested positive for COVID-19 was killed in a car accident. The car accident would be the cause of death. This person would be counted as having "died with" COVID, not as having "died of" COVID.

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https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Couldn't care less about the health risks from the vaccine.

Replace "Covid vaccine" with "drink 4 glasses of water per day" and I would be dug in just as hard against your BS mandates.

ETA: I think the vaccine in and of itself is a good thing and has no doubt saved a lot of lives. The way it has been weaponized by the government should scare the **** out of anyone capable of rational thought.

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The vaccine doesn't work

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Didn't keep anyone in my house from getting it. Now it's possible that the vaccine prevented us from needing to be hospitalized, but that's strictly speculation.

Needless to say, we will not be getting boosters.

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coolerguy12 said:

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48 X a really small number is still a really small number no matter which way you slice it.

I'll continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity.

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At least get a life insurance policy for your family so we don't have to see the go fund me.

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This board personified in one post.

Stringfellow Hawke said:

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Lol if you believe deaths are caused by covid. Research the meaning of dying with covid and of covid.

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So I don't understand this argument. Could you explain it to me? It seams like an argument over semantics.

Are you saying that all of these people are dying from other diseases/physical traits/age/etc. and Covid was not the primary cause?

Were they all going to die anyway without Covid and Covid wasn't a factor?

Are they somehow less dead?

coolerguy12 said:

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My wife's great uncle was 86 and had stopped treatment for prostate cancer prior to dying. He had Covid when he died.

Did he die of or with Covid? When the average age of death is over the average of death it's a very important question.

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I don't think that's what he is referring too. I understand that happens but that is a small sample of any


My mother died in February. She had osteoarthritis and when she caught Covid it basically paralyzed her. She couldn't move, eat, drink, swallow, wipe the sweat off her brow, use the restroom, etc. She went from attending a basketball game two nights before to never getting out of bed again. She essentially starved to death. Did she die of Covid? I would guess that by the time she passed she was probably negative.

If I follow the logic of that argument she didn't die of Covid but rather starvation.

My point is it is a silly argument. It is using the fringes of the statistical group as a distraction.

So sorry for your loss.

Salute The Marines said:

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The topic of "should I get vaccinated against the world wide pandemic" never came up at your yearly checkup?

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Nope. And why would I bring up something that is on par with the flu? Do you consult your doctor on flu shots yearly? Or do you grasp the risks?

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Salute The Marines said:

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The topic of "should I get vaccinated against the world wide pandemic" never came up at your yearly checkup?

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Nope. And why would I bring up something that is on par with the flu? Do you consult your doctor on flu shots yearly? Or do you grasp the risks?

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Of course. I usually get my flu shot during my annual checkup. It's too easy not to.

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bay fan said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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48 X a really small number is still a really small number no matter which way you slice it.

I'll continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity.

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At least get a life insurance policy for your family so we don't have to see the go fund me.

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The massive eye roll triggered by this post was more dangerous to my health than Covid. I refuse to believe that people actually live with this level of fear. Not sure I would even call it living at that point. Merely waiting to die.

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Look I am not planning on dying but that hasn't stopped me from insuring my children ( now young adult) would be fine should something unexpected happen regardless of what kills me. We've seen so many examples of people who didn't believe it could be them who have recklessly left those they love without resources.

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Maybe I'm naive here, but wouldn't you want to compare the groups with Table 4 (COVID+) with Table 8 (COVID Deaths over the same period)?

That means 35,492 cases for unvaccinated 30-39 year olds with fatalities of 236, a CFR of 0.66% versus 3,493 vaccinated cases with 12 deaths, a CFR of 0.34%.

Then you should consider this is CFR, so the iFR is likely 2x-3x lower.

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Your numbers are correct comparing the data for those who have caught Covid. The super duper scary 20X MORE LIKELY TO DIE number comes from the death/100,000 in the general population with or without Covid. So without a vaccine my chance of death is .012%. With the vaccine my chance of death is .00053%. Like I said early on, I will continue to roll the dice in my quest for natural immunity. The fact that I haven't caught Covid yet makes me wonder if I ever will.

ETA: My chance of death is far lower than the 0.012% number for my age group. I don't know the numbers but I would wager that over 90% of the deaths in my age group had more than one comorbidity. I have zero. I'm more concerned about a volcano popping up in my neighborhood than I am about dying from Covid.

Next you can be one of those people that question how I will pay my mortgage or car payments if I lose my job.

OMG I never thought about that! I'm such a moron that I live paycheck to paycheck and would be on the street Saturday if I didn't get a paycheck this Friday! Thank you for opening my eyes to the world of personal finance.

Honestly you can take your fake concern elsewhere.

Genuinely sorry about your mom. My argument is not meant to trivialize hers or anyone else's death in any way.

The reason I make this argument is because public policy and mandates are being set using the overall death numbers so it's important to have an accurate count.

[url] https://khn.org/morning-breakout/new-york-citys-death-toll-jumps-by-more-than-3700-after-officials-take-into-account-probable-cases/[/url]

When this happened back in April 2020 I told a friend of mine about it who is a doctor and his response was along the lines of "did you get that from RedStateTrump.com" as a way to mock me for believing something so stupid. When I showed him the article on all the major news sites his tune changed to "oh well they probably had enough data to confirm Covid without a test so didn't want to waste tests on them".

To me it's very important to make sure the numbers are accurate. Others seem to be ok believing what they are told even though the people telling them are the same ones taking away our freedoms with no intention of ever giving them back.

amercer said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/09/texas-unvaccinated-deaths-higher-covid/

45x more likely to get infected, 40x more likely to die since when vaccines became available. Delta worse for everyone, but the vaccines are still protecting against both infections and severe disease.

Between the monoclonals and oral anti virals, those numbers probably get better from here out. But that's still about 22,000 Texans that would be alive today if they got a vaccine.

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I mean they wouldn't have died from any other of their (on average) 3+ co-morbidities during the same period could they?