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At least 10 folks (that I have been made aware of) got COVID from a wedding back in July. Age ranging from 13-84. All vaccinated. 6 in my close circle of family including me, my wife, mother in law, father in law, brother in law, and niece. All "breakthroughs". Nobody was hospitalized but we all got pretty sick for several weeks and slowly recovered. If you wanna argue that the vaccine prevented hospitalization, then sure. That's possible. It definitely did nothing to keep us from catching it. COVID batted 1000 on this little case study.

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If you believed that the vaccine would prevent you from getting Covid, then that's on you for being uneducated.

Otherwise, not sure what the point of your post is.

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Romello said:

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At least 10 folks (that I have been made aware of) got COVID from a wedding back in July. Age ranging from 13-84. All vaccinated. 6 in my close circle of family including me, my wife, mother in law, father in law, brother in law, and niece. All "breakthroughs". Nobody was hospitalized but we all got pretty sick for several weeks and slowly recovered. If you wanna argue that the vaccine prevented hospitalization, then sure. That's possible. It definitely did nothing to keep us from catching it. COVID batted 1000 on this little case study.

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If you believed that the vaccine would prevent you from getting Covid, then that's on you for being uneducated.

Otherwise, not sure what the point of your post is.

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The point is another example of OR's claim that it does stop one from getting sick is not accurate.

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RealTalk said:

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Romello said:

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At least 10 folks (that I have been made aware of) got COVID from a wedding back in July. Age ranging from 13-84. All vaccinated. 6 in my close circle of family including me, my wife, mother in law, father in law, brother in law, and niece. All "breakthroughs". Nobody was hospitalized but we all got pretty sick for several weeks and slowly recovered. If you wanna argue that the vaccine prevented hospitalization, then sure. That's possible. It definitely did nothing to keep us from catching it. COVID batted 1000 on this little case study.

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If you believed that the vaccine would prevent you from getting Covid, then that's on you for being uneducated.

Otherwise, not sure what the point of your post is.

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The point is another example of OR's claim that it does stop one from getting sick is not accurate.

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Man, just get the fk over it already. Your act is growing thin.

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ORAggieFan said:

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Romello said:

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At least 10 folks (that I have been made aware of) got COVID from a wedding back in July. Age ranging from 13-84. All vaccinated. 6 in my close circle of family including me, my wife, mother in law, father in law, brother in law, and niece. All "breakthroughs". Nobody was hospitalized but we all got pretty sick for several weeks and slowly recovered. If you wanna argue that the vaccine prevented hospitalization, then sure. That's possible. It definitely did nothing to keep us from catching it. COVID batted 1000 on this little case study.

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No one is saying it prevents 100% of infections.

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It prevented 0% of the infections actually.

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Romello said:

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At least 10 folks (that I have been made aware of) got COVID from a wedding back in July. Age ranging from 13-84. All vaccinated. 6 in my close circle of family including me, my wife, mother in law, father in law, brother in law, and niece. All "breakthroughs". Nobody was hospitalized but we all got pretty sick for several weeks and slowly recovered. If you wanna argue that the vaccine prevented hospitalization, then sure. That's possible. It definitely did nothing to keep us from catching it. COVID batted 1000 on this little case study.

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If you believed that the vaccine would prevent you from getting Covid, then that's on you for being uneducated.

Otherwise, not sure what the point of your post is.

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If it isn't supposed to prevent you from getting sick, why did they call all of our cases "breakthroughs"?

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Romello said:

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At least 10 folks (that I have been made aware of) got COVID from a wedding back in July. Age ranging from 13-84. All vaccinated. 6 in my close circle of family including me, my wife, mother in law, father in law, brother in law, and niece. All "breakthroughs". Nobody was hospitalized but we all got pretty sick for several weeks and slowly recovered. If you wanna argue that the vaccine prevented hospitalization, then sure. That's possible. It definitely did nothing to keep us from catching it. COVID batted 1000 on this little case study.

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If you believed that the vaccine would prevent you from getting Covid, then that's on you for being uneducated.

Otherwise, not sure what the point of your post is.

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If it isn't supposed to prevent you from getting sick, why did they call all of our cases "breakthroughs"?

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It prevents a portion. I don't know why this is hard to understand. You're >5x more likely to be infected if not vaccinated.

Is it less effective than advertised initially? Possibly. Is it still effective and preventing infection? Yes.

We need to understand a respiratory virus and how it behaves to the acknowledge the difference in vaccine efficacy compared to others.

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Had a pretty rough case of COVID last December. Took months to recover fully. 2nd vaccine in April. Just had the Pfizer booster yesterday afternoon. So far so good. Just feel like I have been punched in the arm.

Just took Pfizer booster yesterday....6 months after 2nd dose.


1st shot....ZERO reaction
2nd shot...ZERO reaction
booster.....ZERO reaction so far.

other than injection site soreness.
consider myself lucky

did you ask him why?

Hmmmmm…thanks for the responses…I will readdress with her! At first, I must admit, I did not even think about it. In the military I never questioned the crazy number of shots I received over 22 years, but perhaps I should be more "doubtful"

Sent her an email anyways…she's surprisingly good and fast at responding (or her staff is)…so I'm glad this prompted me to ask, so thanks!

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Found this video very interesting. Basically Redfield comes out and states that "more than 40% of the Covid deaths in Maryland were of vaccinated individuals" [paraphrase].

Former CDC Director Robert Redfield, now senior advisor to Governor Hogan in MD- "In the last 6-8 weeks, more than 40% of the people who died in Maryland were fully vaccinated" pic.twitter.com/sBO2mwnc5p

— BBIsBak#4✝️ (@bbisback_4) October 19, 2021

Kind of unsettling to hear that and wonder if we're talking 1 shot, 2 shots, or just 1 shot of JnJ? Regardless troubling.

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To keep it in perspective, Maryland is averaging around 15 deaths per day. Their population is 66% vaccinated. Texas is averaging about 250 deaths per day. Texas' population is about 55% vaccinated.

I would expect as more of a population becomes vaccinated, the percentage of deaths from breakthrough infections would go up. But, the overall case counts and deaths should decrease.

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Vaxxers don't like these threads.

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I'm fine with these threads. Anti vaxxers are just self serving, anti-intellectual, hyper political F16 posters. And these threads tend to bring that pathetic side out of them the best. Too afraid to handle a little old shot.

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If you think people who do not want to get the vaccine are too afraid of a shot, what does it say about people who couldn't wait to get the vaccine against a virus that has a 99% survival rate?

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Im with you …. 99.9 % to me that's the flu and some countries are now just lumping them together as flu/Covid

I'm not afraid of any shots .. he'll I take my own low T jabs myself that are prescribed from my Dr..

I got Covid a few weeks ago the week of Bama game, sucked I couldn't go to the game, didn't want to spread it so I had to stay at home.. took HCQ Ivermectin Doxy etc etc from my Dr.. felt bad a few days and am now fine, now I certainly have antibodies on my own… coincidentally I got it from my home building contractor that was vaccinated and still shedding 2-3 weeks after he had Covid .. I thought I would be fine since he was over it .. unfortunately I was wrong on that, he must have been able to pass it along still

I Just don't need or want a shot for something like Covid that isn't very deadly at all.. I'm more worried about vaccine injuries anyway ..

Not a big deal either way…this shouldn't be forced on anyone .. it's your choice .. vaccines and medicines have always been a choice and that should never change

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.. it's your choice .. vaccines and medicines have always been a choice and that should never change

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That would be an inaccurate statement.

This is from an article in the WSJ about the history of vaccine mandates. Pertinent because the case quoted set precedence which is still in force today. Note that almost all lawsuits against Covid-19 vaccine mandates are being struck down by the courts. This is the reason why...

In 1905, the issue of vaccine mandates reached the Supreme Court in the case of Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The case involved Henning Jacobson, a Lutheran pastor in Cambridge, Mass., who defied a city ordinance requiring smallpox vaccinations during an outbreak. Those who resisted faced a $5 fine, which he refused to pay.


A respected community leader, Jacobson aired grievances that resonated well beyond the courtroom. He claimed that the vaccine was dangerous, which wasn't an unreasonable stance in an era before vaccines were regulated by the federal government. The smallpox vaccine caused serious adverse reactions in some cases and failed to work in others. Today's vaccines are carefully purified to prevent bacterial contamination; in Jacobson's time, with handwashing and cleansing additives more-or-less optional, vaccines sometimes carried the germs that caused tetanus, syphilis and other diseases.

Jacobson insisted that "healthy and law-abiding" people like himself posed a minimal danger to the community. Even if his refusal to be vaccinated led to him spreading the smallpox virus, he argued, the only possible victims would be others "who failed or refused to be vaccinated." Scientists have repeatedly refuted this idea, explaining that many people can't be vaccinated because they are immunocompromised or allergic to the vaccine's contents, and that the safety of the community depends upon a high level of vaccinationor herd immunityto keep infectious diseases from spreading. But it remains a staple of current anti-vaccine thinking, as does Jacobson's contention that the decision to vaccinate belongs to the individual, not to the state or medical authorities.

The Supreme Court disagreed. The majority opinion, written by Justice John Marshall Harlan, asserted that "the liberty secured by the Constitution does not import an absolute right in each person to be at all times, and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint." Quite the contrary. The Constitution rests upon "the fundamental principle of the social compact…that all shall be governed by certain laws for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people, and not for the profit, honor or private interests of any one man, family or class of men." Jacobson had not only broken the law, the court suggested; he had violated the principle upon which a well-ordered society depends.

At the same time, Justice Harlan attempted to impose a truce between the warring camps. He acknowledged the need for medical exemptions, writing that "we are not inclined to [uphold] the absolute rule that an adult must be vaccinated if it can be shown with reasonable certainty that [it] will seriously impair his health." And he warned that vaccine mandates must not be implemented in "an arbitrary, unreasonable manner." Only a public health emergency, as defined by the state legislature in consultation with medical experts, appeared to justify their use.

Justice Harlan's opinion has been the go-to authority on the subject ever since. In 1922, the Supreme Court upheld an ordinance in San Antonio, Texas, requiring proof of smallpox vaccination for people entering "public schools or other places of education," using Jacobson as precedent. The fact that San Antonio was not then facing a public health emergency no longer mattered; almost every public health mandate was now defensible. Five years later, in the notorious case of Buck v. Bell, the Court upheld Virginia's policy of sterilizing women deemed unfit to bear children, also using Jacobson as precedent. "The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination," wrote Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., "is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes."

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Found this video very interesting. Basically Redfield comes out and states that "more than 40% of the Covid deaths in Maryland were of vaccinated individuals" [paraphrase].

Former CDC Director Robert Redfield, now senior advisor to Governor Hogan in MD- "In the last 6-8 weeks, more than 40% of the people who died in Maryland were fully vaccinated" pic.twitter.com/sBO2mwnc5p

— BBIsBak#4✝️ (@bbisback_4) October 19, 2021

Kind of unsettling to hear that and wonder if we're talking 1 shot, 2 shots, or just 1 shot of JnJ? Regardless troubling.

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https://www.wbaltv.com/article/health-officials-dispel-deceiving-statistics-covid-19-deaths-maryland/38030746

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New statistics show 30% of those who died from COVID-19 in Maryland over the last six weeks were fully vaccinated, but experts said those numbers can be deceiving.

That number might sound startling, but researchers said to see the full picture, you need to flip that statistic around. They said the vaccines are still very effective.

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"People who are unvaccinated are on the order of 10 to 15 times more likely to die of COVID-19 than a fully vaccinated person," said Dr. William Moss, of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

And researchers said that's a statistic everyone should pay attention to. The vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths from COVID-19 are in those who are not vaccinated.

"We are seeing younger and younger patients come to the ICU nowadays who are unvaccinated and they're not surviving this," said Dr. Kinjal Sheth, chief of critical care at Northwest Hospital.

The Maryland Department of Health released statistics that while the total number of deaths in Maryland among vaccinated people since the vaccines came out is .0065%, between Sept. 1 and Oct. 15, they accounted for 30% of COVID-19 deaths.

"That proportion can be misleading, and the reason why is that as more and more people are vaccinated in the United States, they make up a greater proportion of the deaths," Moss said.

The state department of health agrees, writing in a statement, "As the number of our residents who are vaccinated continues to increase, we expect to see an increase in the proportion of COVID-related deaths occurring in vaccinated individuals. Many of these deaths are linked to comorbidities that make patients more vulnerable."

Moss said those risk factors include people over the age of 85 and those with underlying medical conditions.

"Immunocompromising conditions that place them at high-risk for severe COVID should they get infected and also interferes with their immune response to the vaccine, so they're not as protected as we would like them to be," Moss said.

The most prominent recent example is the death of Colin Powell, who was 84 and had cancer.

Moss said booster shots could play a role in reducing the death rate among those fully vaccinated.

"I think there is evidence that in older age groups that booster doses will help prevent severe disease, but I want to emphasize that our vaccines are holding up pretty well against severe disease, so I don't want people to panic about that," Moss said.

Moss said a lot of these new cases and deaths are fueled by the delta variant.

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Had my Moderna booster today. Will see how it goes.