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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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It was covered heavily in that thread but none of the ICUs that he called would take his patients.

You're calling a doctor who watched his patients die one by one for lack of ICU space a liar over semantics.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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How big a piece of **** do you have to be to continue to insist a Aggie doctor was lying and not doing enough to save his patients.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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How big a piece of **** do you have to be to continue to insist a Aggie doctor was lying and not doing enough to save his patients.

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Where did I ever say he wasn't doing enough to save his patients? Please point that out as I'm sure you know exactly where it is. I'll wait.

What's that, Doug? Oh that's right, I didn't. I just pointed out how the doc was caught starting a thread a misleading title of "Every ICU in Texas is Full." Not "No ICUs in Texas are taking transfers." Much different meaning and attention getter.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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It was covered heavily in that thread but none of the ICUs that he called would take his patients.

You're calling a doctor who watched his patients die one by one for lack of ICU space a liar over semantics.

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Not taking patients does not equate to no beds being available in the entire state.

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Stand on that wall man. You be you. Your schtick is old and tiresome to the rest of us.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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It was covered heavily in that thread but none of the ICUs that he called would take his patients.

You're calling a doctor who watched his patients die one by one for lack of ICU space a liar over semantics.

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Not taking patients does not equate to no beds being available in the entire state.

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Stand on that wall man. You be you. Your schtick is old and tiresome to the rest of us.

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Attack me and not what I posted. Guess that means what I posted wasn't inaccurate.

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So all data and logic say this...

1. Being Vaxxed helps you not die from COVID.

2. Getting infected and recovering helps you not die from COVID, probably even moreso than just being vaxxed.

3. Getting infected, recovering and then still getting vaxxed provides the maximum protection.

4. We know almost 100% of deaths in Texas have been to the unvaxxed. I'd wager they were all not previously infected as well, but we can't track that.

Conclusion: Get vaxxed.

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That is just not true. You do appreciate that tracking those with natural immunity is much more difficult, right?

Knowing whether you have natural immunity from day to day is a tricky thing, and what your immunity levels are is difficult to determine as well. I don't think anyone thinks natural immunity isn't a thing, but it comes with lots of questions too.

The vaccine works.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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It was covered heavily in that thread but none of the ICUs that he called would take his patients.

You're calling a doctor who watched his patients die one by one for lack of ICU space a liar over semantics.

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Not taking patients does not equate to no beds being available in the entire state.

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Stand on that wall man. You be you. Your schtick is old and tiresome to the rest of us.

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Attack me and not what I posted. Guess that means what I posted wasn't inaccurate.

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No, it means it really wasn't worth the time or effort, because your schtick has become tiresome. Not sure where I "attacked you" but whatever. Best of luck on that wall.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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It was covered heavily in that thread but none of the ICUs that he called would take his patients.

You're calling a doctor who watched his patients die one by one for lack of ICU space a liar over semantics.

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Not taking patients does not equate to no beds being available in the entire state.

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Stand on that wall man. You be you. Your schtick is old and tiresome to the rest of us.

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Attack me and not what I posted. Guess that means what I posted wasn't inaccurate.

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No, it means it really wasn't worth the time or effort, because your schtick has become tiresome. Not sure where I "attacked you" but whatever. Best of luck on that wall.

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My "schtick" is being a reasonable person in a sea of pro-vaccine people.

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That is such an odd sounding statement.

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So because its difficult to track I should take a vaccine for something that poses no risk to me?

Is it not difficult to track the antibody levels of someone who has had the vaccine 9 months ago? Isn't that why no one knows if they need a booster. They are catching and spreading COVID and I am not.

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You'd think the difficulty to track each would be difficult, yet one is apparently more difficult than the one that just works.

Your just being an ass. There is nothing reasonable about it.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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You claimed you called 14 hospitals. If that's not true, then I'll admit I was wrong there and apologize. But the rest of my post stands. What you posted was flat out wrong, or misleading at best.

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It was covered heavily in that thread but none of the ICUs that he called would take his patients.

You're calling a doctor who watched his patients die one by one for lack of ICU space a liar over semantics.

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Not taking patients does not equate to no beds being available in the entire state.

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Stand on that wall man. You be you. Your schtick is old and tiresome to the rest of us.

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Attack me and not what I posted. Guess that means what I posted wasn't inaccurate.

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No, it means it really wasn't worth the time or effort, because your schtick has become tiresome. Not sure where I "attacked you" but whatever. Best of luck on that wall.

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My "schtick" is being a reasonable person in a sea of pro-vaccine people.

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That is such an odd sounding statement.

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I know. You'd think more people on this board would be reasonable and not assume a one size fits all approach is the best way. But that's not the case.

For majority on this board, the vaccine is the answer to COVID. For me, the vaccine is at tool, but what would work best for the individual will vary. A 27 year old who doesn't have any health issues doesn't need to take the same approach as a 57 year old with a dad bod.

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Your just being an ass. There is nothing reasonable about it.

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How so? The thread where OP was contemplating getting the vaccine. This board's regulars were all "go get the vaccine. It's safe." I posted data for the OP to use to make an informed decision. Told the OP what is best for someone else may not be the best for him. Also told the OP to got get a physical and talk to his doctor to make sure he's as healthy as he thinks he is. Also recommended he talk to people he knows who have had COVID to get a better understanding of the real risks. Yet that was laughed at and the OP sent to Rex's thread, and the occasional fear grenade tossed telling the OP he needs to think about if he wants to chance leaving his kids fatherless.

Calling out the doctor over semantics is being an ass. Especially weeks after the thread was over. Completely unnecessary. You completely disregard the human aspect of what he was going thru in the process, something pretty typical of people raised in the internet age where they have never been held accountable for what they type. You disregard it so much so that you bring it up weeks later randomly on another thread.

Feel free to reply or not but that's the last I am going to say about it. Stop being an ass.

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Calling out the doctor over semantics is being an ass. Especially weeks after the thread was over. Completely unnecessary. You completely disregard the human aspect of what he was going thru in the process, something pretty typical of people raised in the internet age where they have never been held accountable for what they type. You disregard it so much so that you bring it up weeks later randomly on another thread.

Feel free to reply or not but that's the last I am going to say about it. Stop being an ass.

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Semantics? That's how you're going to defend it? Someone asked how someone can give a random post more credit than the medical professionals who post on here, and I just gave an example of one of the medical professionals creating a thread that was not accurate, thus hurting credibility. Why should I give a poster who lied more credit than someone else who hasn't lied to me? I mean, I'm just doing what you said...holding someone accountable for what they typed. Deep down inside, you know what I'm saying is accurate, but your pride may not allow you to say it.

I'm not disregarding the human aspect of it. I understand what the medical professionals are dealing with. I also understand pumping fear is keeping the country from being able to move on. COVID isn't going away and we need to return to normal life. Yet all we see on the news are how "healthy" unvaccinated 30 year olds who are 4 bills are dying of COVID. We hear how cases are skyrocketing up and it's due to the unvaccinated. Hospitals are overflowing and turning patients away only to have the hospital release a statement saying that's not true.

There are people in numerous industries who have or will soon lose their jobs because they are choosing to not get vaccinated for whatever reason they are able to justify. And however they justify it should be supported, because we live in a free country. In February 2020, we all used to believe that you make the medical decisions you feel is best for you, and I'll make medical decisions I feel is best for me. Now, it's you need to get a vaccine so I can live my life. Sorry, I'm not supporting that way of thinking.

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I just gave an example of one of the medical professionals creating a thread that was not accurate, thus hurting credibility. Why should I give a poster who lied more credit than someone else who hasn't lied to me? I mean, I'm just doing what you said...holding someone accountable for what they typed. Deep down inside, you know what I'm saying is accurate, but your pride may not allow you to say it.

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You posted one link to a hospital website data-set and the manifest flaws in the potential unreliability in that data-set was quickly pointed out by multiple folks and the data-set was then contradicted by multiple news from that very same hospital system stating they were completely out of ER beds and turning patients away.

This is really weak ground for you to go on a cyber-stalking jihad, chasing a hard-working doctor around this forum and calling him a liar.

I am not sure why any of us pay attention as it is clear your are here to talk and not listen and favor s$%t-stirring, ankle-biting antics rather than actual discussion.

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I just gave an example of one of the medical professionals creating a thread that was not accurate, thus hurting credibility. Why should I give a poster who lied more credit than someone else who hasn't lied to me? I mean, I'm just doing what you said...holding someone accountable for what they typed. Deep down inside, you know what I'm saying is accurate, but your pride may not allow you to say it.

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You posted one link to a hospital website data-set and the manifest flaws in the potential unreliability in that data-set was quickly pointed out by multiple folks and the data-set was then contradicted by multiple news from that very same hospital system stating they were completely out of ER beds and turning patients away.

This is really weak ground for you to go on a cyber-stalking jihad, chasing a hard-working doctor around this forum and calling him a liar.

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Umm, you must have me confused with someone else, because I didn't post any links in that thread. I had 1 post in that thread, and it was the last one before it was locked, and it was not a link. Just answering a question from the first page about which hospitals fired medical professionals for not getting the vaccine.

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But pretending like everyone absolutely must get the vaccine or they're being illogical is incorrect.

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2 things make me immediately question the motives of extremist pro-vaccine comments.

1. Completely ignoring, discounting, and dismissing natural immunity.

2. I've made the following statement numerous times.

"I'm vaccinated and recommend you get vaccinated after a conversation with your doctor regarding your health."

I've had people argue with me about the "after a conversation with your doctor," and say that people should take it regardless of what a doctor says.


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"Extremist pro-vaccine comments..."

It's almost like people are making **** up on this thread. There are extremists on both sides and they should be ignored. I don't believe there is any extremists on this discussion but I'm also only two pages in.

You also changed your metrics to fit your narrative and talked about arguments that weren't being made by the people in the discussion.

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You also changed your metrics to fit your narrative and talked about arguments that weren't being made by the people in the discussion.

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Ahh...feeling chitty from the vaccine for a couple of days vs. feeling chitty from COVID for a few days. Yeah, really changed the metrics there because we don't want the effects of the vaccine to enter the discussion.

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And here you go misrepresenting. Your original post was about surviving COVID and then you went to deaths and feeling bad and finally kept up with just feeling bad.

My family's experience might be different than most but we felt "uncomfortable" for about half a day after the vaccine while feeling sick from COVID for about a week.

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You also changed your metrics to fit your narrative and talked about arguments that weren't being made by the people in the discussion.

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Ahh...feeling chitty from the vaccine for a couple of days vs. feeling chitty from COVID for a few days. Yeah, really changed the metrics there because we don't want the effects of the vaccine to enter the discussion.

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And here you go misrepresenting. Your original post was about surviving COVID and then you went to deaths and feeling bad and finally kept up with just feeling bad.

My family's experience might be different than most but we felt "uncomfortable" for about half a day after the vaccine while feeling sick from COVID for about a week.

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Am I?

Post 1 in thread: Recommending OP not go to Rex's thread but talk to friends and family who have had COVID. Also recommended OP take an honest look at his health. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 2 in thread: Talking about women stuff my wife went through. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 3 in thread: Recommending OP go get a physical if he hasn't had one to have a better idea of where his health really is. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 4 in thread: Informing poster when I had COVID. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 5 in thread: Pointed out OP is much younger than poster asked if they'd get the vaccine after they had COVID and went to the hospital. Also pointed out I urged my dad to get vaccinated due to age. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 6 in thread: Mentioned how there are thousands of people who are sick but never wind up in the hospital for each person in the hospital. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 1

Post 7 in thread: Responding to poster in their 50's stating they got vaccinated because they didn't want to chance it. Informed poster they are in the age group where COVID statistically gets worse. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 8 in thread: Mentioned there is not a one size fits all solution to COVID (talking about vaccinating everyone). Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 9 in thread: Responding to your post claiming there's not a good reason to not get the vaccine. Pointed out death rate for OP for COVID is minimal per the CDC's data. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 4

Post 10 in thread: Correcting poster who falsely claimed if OP got the vaccine, the chances of passing COVID to his wife would be reduced. Vaccinated people transmit COVID just as much as unvaccinated. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 0

Post 11 in thread: Responding to you stating you'll likely survive the flu but you're still going to get the flu shot. I stated OP's chances of having any issues or dying were minimal. Also mentioned many people get sick from the vaccine and may feel worse from it they may from COVID. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 1

Post 11 in thread: Responding to you claiming I'm changing my metrics from death to sickness and using 2 different outcomes to fit my argument. I stated the narrative of the vaccine has changed as outcomes of vaccinated people have changed. Also stated how I felt when I had COVID and how people I know who have had COVID felt. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 2

Post 12 in thread: Responding to poster with data from the CDC and it's director about breakthrough cases, transmission from vaccinated individuals, and commenting on his take of types of people. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 1...mentioned in a quote from the CDC director

Post 13 in thread: Responding to you stating the metric has to be both given how many people feel post-vaccine. Mentioned OP's chance of death was statistically low. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 3

Post 14 in thread: Responding to your question about a vaccinated having less chance of serious symptoms or death over a unvaccinated person. I stated age and health status need to be taken into account as it's true for some but not others. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 1

Post 15 in thread: Responding to poster who told OP he doesn't want to be the anomaly. Pointed out anomalies I know that have impacted people more than COVID has anyone I know. Mentions of Death or Sickness: 6.

6 posts before either sickness or death is mentioned. Where was my original post again?

I didn't change my metrics or misrepresent anything. If a person is at higher risk or older, they need to consider the vaccine. For the OP of that thread who was in his early-30's and his wife in her late-20's, what they should do will most likely be different. How they would feel after the vaccine should be taken into account for them as their risk from COVID is low. Most of the people they may know who have had COVID will probably have had minor symptoms, if any at all, so again, that needs to be taken into consideration.

Also, how can you claim I'm changing metrics when many who are pro-vaccine talk about how the vaccine reduces the risk of death and how it could help prevent a person from becoming a "COVID long hauler?" Oh, that's right. The side you support can talk about whatever they want, but when the opposition speaks, you accuse them of doing the thing the side you support does. Seems common in today's society, don't you think?