Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Were antibody tests done for each athlete that produced a positive test? What was the timing of their antibody tests after a "reinfection?"

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planoaggie123 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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...but people with the vaccine do...???

We are about to send people to get boosters and we don't even know if they all need it...some need it...none need it....just boosting to boost honestly.

I guess if your plan is just to do 4 - 6 month blind boosters then fine but let's not pretend, outside of the ideal hybrid immunity, that one is soo much better than the other (natural vs vaccine).

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Guitarsoup said:

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Were antibody tests done for each athlete that produced a positive test? What was the timing of their antibody tests after a "reinfection?"

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Antibody tests done with confirmed reinfection. Since the NBA tests quite regularly, I assume they caught infections pretty quickly

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

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Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Honestly, I don't believe those numbers. I have read claims on this board of people currently working in TX hospital systems that said...

1. Their was no place in their electronic system to track vax vs no-vax and across the hospital system there was no consistent way that anyone was tracking that data so it was impossible for this person's employer to accurately report said info to any agency.

2. The deaths of vaxxed patients were being coded as non-Covid related deaths (heart attach, pneumonia, stroke, etc...) while deaths of non-vaxxed were being coded as Covid.

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This is crazy facebook conspiracy talk. There's no motivation for the coders to do this. There's no upside to this. This is the epitome of unfounded, made up conspiracy talk. Just complete misinformation.

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In the interest of useful data, and not manipulated data to back up a talking point.

I do wonder if they are tracking whether people had anti-bodies upon death, in addition to tracking vaccinated vs not vaccinated.
The more data points they track, the more accurate any analysis would be. The agenda shouldn't be to just push vaccines on everyone just because we bought a **** ton of them. Any policy should be continuously evaluated and updated as more data comes in.

I also wonder if they are having people, that were confirmed as having covid, come back in periodically to check antibody levels (or whatever the actual terminology is). From what I can tell, they still don't know how long you can expect to be protected from reinfection, or reduced severity if they do get it again.

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Were antibody tests done for each athlete that produced a positive test? What was the timing of their antibody tests after a "reinfection?"

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Antibody tests done with confirmed reinfection. Since the NBA tests quite regularly, I assume they caught infections pretty quickly

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But do they do antibody tests for each confirmed positive test? Or just those that were deemed reinfections?

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aTm2004 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

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Obviously anecdotal, but my fully vaccinated otherwise healthy mid-50's aunt spent a week in the hospital with COVID pneumonia while her 66 year old unvaccinated brother (my dad) was sick but never got close to needing to go to the hospital.

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Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Some of us do:
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3208844/replies/60192986

Also, how many of those reinfections were actual first infections due to a false positive the first time? You can't honestly sit there and say out of the constant testing the NBA, NFL, and NCAA did that there weren't false positives.

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agsalaska said:

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chjoak said:

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CDub06 said:

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chjoak said:

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Honestly, I don't believe those numbers. I have read claims on this board of people currently working in TX hospital systems that said...

1. Their was no place in their electronic system to track vax vs no-vax and across the hospital system there was no consistent way that anyone was tracking that data so it was impossible for this person's employer to accurately report said info to any agency.

2. The deaths of vaxxed patients were being coded as non-Covid related deaths (heart attach, pneumonia, stroke, etc...) while deaths of non-vaxxed were being coded as Covid.

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This is crazy facebook conspiracy talk. There's no motivation for the coders to do this. There's no upside to this. This is the epitome of unfounded, made up conspiracy talk. Just complete misinformation.

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You may be right, but that was posted on Texags by someone that claimed it to be happening at the hospital they worked. I'll try to dig it up but that was several weeks ago and I'm not 100% sure what thread it was on.

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Just curious, why do you give one random post so much weight against the dozens of doctors and nurses that post here every day saying the exact opposite?

My suggestion to anyone who does not believe that the unvaccinated are the ones dying is to go have a personal face to face conversation with a couple of ER nurses or doctors. I know exactly what they are going to say to you. When they are done if you still do not believe them that's fine.

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Guitarsoup said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

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Obviously anecdotal, but my fully vaccinated otherwise healthy mid-50's aunt spent a week in the hospital with COVID pneumonia while her 66 year old unvaccinated brother (my dad) was sick but never got close to needing to go to the hospital.

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Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Some of us do:
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3208844/replies/60192986

Also, how many of those reinfections were actual first infections due to a false positive the first time? You can't honestly sit there and say out of the constant testing the NBA, NFL, and NCAA did that there weren't false positives.

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Because they're doing lab tests and not rapid tests and also doing multiple tests I don't think they have false positives. They aren't doing one rapid test and telling the player he can't play for 2 weeks and sending them on their way.

From friends in both leagues I do believe there are a lot of false negatives though. I'm fairly certain that a lot of star asymptomatic players are not getting a thorough swab

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[url=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-supreme-court-to-hear-boston-christian-flag-dispute/ar-AAP0hUp][/url]ESPN's Brian Windhorst and Zach Lowe reported on Tuesday that multiple NBA players who previously tested positive for the coronavirus have recently tested positive again. Windhorst and Lowe added this isn't surprising, as the CDC has expected reinfections since the start of the pandemic.

It's unknown how many supposed asymptomatic players who tested positive for the virus earlier in the year produced so-called "false positives." Multiple leagues and competitions, including the NBA, have confirmed "false positive" cases since the spring and summer months. The CDC hasn't determined how long somebody who battles COVID-19 is immune from becoming infected a second time.

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Eric Paschall has rejoined the Warriors after a COVID-19 test falsely indicated he was infected with the novel coronavirus.

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planoaggie123 said:

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This will be my last post on this specific run of responses....

I do think vaccines work. I am glad my parents are vaccinated and I am glad we have something available for anyone that chooses / needs. I hope hospital levels drop and our doctors / nurses can take a break.

I just don't think you can try and discuss natural immunity as weakening while not giving equal time and concern for vaccine immunity weakening (hence the need for boosters). I felt you claimed 100% vaccine efficacy while severely questioning natural...this feeling was the fact that you wrote 4 lines questioning natural immunity and then blanketly stating "vaccines work" with no qualifications.

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Another thread wherr nobody said "natural immunity doesn't exist" and actually hsd nothing to do with natural immunity successfully derailed by the real victims here.

Got a little bit of everything in here too. Conspiracy theories, rants about Faucci, completely misunderstanding and misinterpreting (sometimes almost deliberately so) hard data. Great job everybody. Can't wait to redo it on another thread that literally says nothing about natural immunity again.

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Well said. The same 5 posters seem to show up on every thread about vaccines to talk about their natural immunity and show off some new found victimhood for being "forced" to make a choice about getting the vaccine. The same dozen posters seem to show up on every thread to talk about how safe and effective the vaccines are and how everyone should get one, and if they choose not to, how they are risking death or the possibility of becoming a "COVID longhauler."

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aTm2004 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

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Obviously anecdotal, but my fully vaccinated otherwise healthy mid-50's aunt spent a week in the hospital with COVID pneumonia while her 66 year old unvaccinated brother (my dad) was sick but never got close to needing to go to the hospital.

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Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Some of us do:
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3208844/replies/60192986

Also, how many of those reinfections were actual first infections due to a false positive the first time? You can't honestly sit there and say out of the constant testing the NBA, NFL, and NCAA did that there weren't false positives.

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Because they're doing lab tests and not rapid tests and also doing multiple tests I don't think they have false positives. They aren't doing one rapid test and telling the player he can't play for 2 weeks and sending them on their way.

From friends in both leagues I do believe there are a lot of false negatives though. I'm fairly certain that a lot of star asymptomatic players are not getting a thorough swab

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/multiple-nba-players-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19-twice/ar-BB1cGZTL

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[url=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-supreme-court-to-hear-boston-christian-flag-dispute/ar-AAP0hUp][/url]ESPN's Brian Windhorst and Zach Lowe reported on Tuesday that multiple NBA players who previously tested positive for the coronavirus have recently tested positive again. Windhorst and Lowe added this isn't surprising, as the CDC has expected reinfections since the start of the pandemic.

It's unknown how many supposed asymptomatic players who tested positive for the virus earlier in the year produced so-called "false positives." Multiple leagues and competitions, including the NBA, have confirmed "false positive" cases since the spring and summer months. The CDC hasn't determined how long somebody who battles COVID-19 is immune from becoming infected a second time.

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/13/warriors-eric-paschall-clears-nba-health-and-safety-protocols-after-false-positive-test/

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Eric Paschall has rejoined the Warriors after a COVID-19 test falsely indicated he was infected with the novel coronavirus.

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Guitarsoup said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

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Obviously anecdotal, but my fully vaccinated otherwise healthy mid-50's aunt spent a week in the hospital with COVID pneumonia while her 66 year old unvaccinated brother (my dad) was sick but never got close to needing to go to the hospital.

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Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Some of us do:
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3208844/replies/60192986

Also, how many of those reinfections were actual first infections due to a false positive the first time? You can't honestly sit there and say out of the constant testing the NBA, NFL, and NCAA did that there weren't false positives.

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Because they're doing lab tests and not rapid tests and also doing multiple tests I don't think they have false positives. They aren't doing one rapid test and telling the player he can't play for 2 weeks and sending them on their way.

From friends in both leagues I do believe there are a lot of false negatives though. I'm fairly certain that a lot of star asymptomatic players are not getting a thorough swab

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/multiple-nba-players-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19-twice/ar-BB1cGZTL

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[url=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u-s-supreme-court-to-hear-boston-christian-flag-dispute/ar-AAP0hUp][/url]ESPN's Brian Windhorst and Zach Lowe reported on Tuesday that multiple NBA players who previously tested positive for the coronavirus have recently tested positive again. Windhorst and Lowe added this isn't surprising, as the CDC has expected reinfections since the start of the pandemic.

It's unknown how many supposed asymptomatic players who tested positive for the virus earlier in the year produced so-called "false positives." Multiple leagues and competitions, including the NBA, have confirmed "false positive" cases since the spring and summer months. The CDC hasn't determined how long somebody who battles COVID-19 is immune from becoming infected a second time.

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/13/warriors-eric-paschall-clears-nba-health-and-safety-protocols-after-false-positive-test/

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Eric Paschall has rejoined the Warriors after a COVID-19 test falsely indicated he was infected with the novel coronavirus.

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Right. They retest all positives to confirm they are not false positive.

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Guitarsoup said:

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Were antibody tests done for each athlete that produced a positive test? What was the timing of their antibody tests after a "reinfection?"

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Antibody tests done with confirmed reinfection. Since the NBA tests quite regularly, I assume they caught infections pretty quickly

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But do they do antibody tests for each confirmed positive test? Or just those that were deemed reinfections?

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I don't know that they tested everyone, but I don't know that they didn't test everyone. I would doubt that they did, since the immune systems of the world's most elite athletes don't necessarily correlate to the average human. I've seen no data of the antibody level of the people that didn't get reinfected.

A couple of the reinfected people had very high levels.

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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03_Aggie said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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ChemAg15 said:

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Yea it's unlikely. But it's also unknown. It's also unlikely that someone that got a mild case of covid and recovered is at any risk of a second severe case of covid. My original point is that there is no tangible benefit to getting a vaccine if you've already recovered from a mild case of covid.

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As has been discussed multiple times, the strongest immunity is a hybrid from natural antibodies as well as from the vaccine.

Reinfection seems to often be worse than the original. This is obviously anecdotal, but a HS friend will be having to make the decision soon on whether to take her husband (mid 40s, active, healthy) off life support. He's been on a vent for 3 weeks and his lungs are getting better and his kidney function is slowing devolving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/10/covid-19-reinfections-are-real-and-serious-all-the-more-reason-to-be-vaccinated/amp/

Further, most people with natural antibodies don't know what their actual antibodies levels are. The nba ran lots of tests and had seven reinfections last year. One reinfection had zero antibodies and another one had just trace antibodies. I'm guessing the average Texager doesn't really have the fitness level of those in the NBA data, but 2/7 reinfections head little to no natural protection. That's something that should be very concerning to anyone that refuses the vaccine and doesn't know their specific antibody levels.

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Were antibody tests done for each athlete that produced a positive test? What was the timing of their antibody tests after a "reinfection?"

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Antibody tests done with confirmed reinfection. Since the NBA tests quite regularly, I assume they caught infections pretty quickly

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But do they do antibody tests for each confirmed positive test? Or just those that were deemed reinfections?

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I don't know that they tested everyone, but I don't know that they didn't test everyone. I would doubt that they did, since the immune systems of the world's most elite athletes don't necessarily correlate to the average human. I've seen no data of the antibody level of the people that didn't get reinfected.

A couple of the reinfected people had very high levels.

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It's interesting and I think there would have been a lot of value of antibody results for each positive test. Then one would actually be able to track whether they ever existed (might help better understand accuracy/effectiveness of testing process), if they dropped/increased or stayed relatively flat between what they currently deem initial infection and reinfection.

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I dunno...maybe because there was a doc on here stating there were no ICU beds available anywhere in Texas, and when confronted with data and comments from hospital leaders and city/county elected officials debunking his claim, the admitted he only called a handful of hospitals. Let's not forget, the same "regulars" on this board tried to defend him and debunk the hospital leaders and city/county officials.

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How about don't lie about me on a board that I follow? We called every ICU in Texas and many in the surrounding states every day for 8 days straight. We only stopped when all our ventilated COVID patients died. I put in over 100 hours trying to keep those people alive during that time and really don't appreciate people lying and making things up about me or what I said

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