https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/

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Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.
Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people, according to the Department of State Health Services.

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Saw that back in the summer. I wonder if there is an update for the last two months given the surge during August and early September. This data is as of July.

Yikes! They have run an update as of 5 days ago.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/24/coronavirus-texas-deaths-under-60/

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Just over 50% of the Texas population is fully vaccinated. Health officials say that the state's high rate of unvaccinated people contributed to a surge in hospitalizations last month, which preceded the spike in deaths that soon followed.

Of the nearly 19,000 Texas deaths attributed to COVID-19 since early February, 119 were fully vaccinated according to preliminary data from the state health department.

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That is unbelievable and depressing given we are stuck at 50% for population vaccine rate.

Windy City Ag said:

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Yikes! They have run an update as of 5 days ago.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/24/coronavirus-texas-deaths-under-60/

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Just over 50% of the Texas population is fully vaccinated. Health officials say that the state's high rate of unvaccinated people contributed to a surge in hospitalizations last month, which preceded the spike in deaths that soon followed.

Of the nearly 19,000 Texas deaths attributed to COVID-19 since early February, 119 were fully vaccinated according to preliminary data from the state health department.

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That is unbelievable and depressing given we are stuck at 50% for population vaccine rate.

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Are you saying only vaccinated matter? What about the over 80% of those with antibodies (either vaccine, natural or both)?


https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-over-83-percent-americans-covid-antibodies-before-delta-surge-1625738

Come on. On this board vaccine = good, natural antibodies = ANTIVAXXER!!!!

And this is just vaccinated....there are many who are unvaccinated w/ natural antibodies.

My 83% articles was BEFORE delta variant...you would have to think we are closer to 90% or beyond at this point...

Honestly, I don't believe those numbers. I have read claims on this board of people currently working in TX hospital systems that said...

1. Their was no place in their electronic system to track vax vs no-vax and across the hospital system there was no consistent way that anyone was tracking that data so it was impossible for this person's employer to accurately report said info to any agency.

2. The deaths of vaxxed patients were being coded as non-Covid related deaths (heart attach, pneumonia, stroke, etc...) while deaths of non-vaxxed were being coded as Covid.

I don't know if you have heard....all unvaccinated patients die with the last words "I wish I had been vaccinated"....that is how they are tracking....

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Come on. On this board vaccine = good, natural antibodies = ANTIVAXXER!!!!

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That is just not true. You do appreciate that tracking those with natural immunity is much more difficult, right?

Knowing whether you have natural immunity from day to day is a tricky thing, and what your immunity levels are is difficult to determine as well. I don't think anyone thinks natural immunity isn't a thing, but it comes with lots of questions too.

The vaccine works.

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What about the over 80% of those with antibodies (either vaccine, natural or both)?

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If the death differential is truly up to 99.7%, I would say natural immunity is not helping as much as it should?

Either way, we seem to be getting to that magic point of everyone being exposed somehow.

Found this on their website:

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exas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) offers the Texas Immunization Registry at no cost to all Texans. The registry is secure and confidential, and safely consolidates and stores immunization records from multiple sources in one centralized system.

Texas law requires written consent by individuals to participate in the registry.

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Wonder what the actual participation rate is if it is truly an opt in registry.

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aTm2004 said:

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Come on. On this board vaccine = good, natural antibodies = ANTIVAXXER!!!!

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That is just not true. You do appreciate that tracking those with natural immunity is much more difficult, right?

Knowing whether you have natural immunity from day to day is a tricky thing, and what your immunity levels are is difficult to determine as well. I don't think anyone thinks natural immunity isn't a thing, but it comes with lots of questions too.

The vaccine works.

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Is this the new headline? Vaccine > Natural.

Give me a break.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/israeli-study-did-find-natural-immunity-is-effective-in-fighting-covid-19-health-experts-recommend-vaccination/536-ff80f3d4-bb78-4eb3-8889-7eed73d4d9b6


A team of researchers from Israel studied 2.5 million charts of patients from one of Israel's largest health systems, Maccabi Healthcare Services. But it is important to note that the study has not yet been peer reviewed and should not be used to guide clinical practice.

The study found fully vaccinated individuals were at greater risk for COVID-19-related hospitalizations compared to those who were unvaccinated and previously infected. The study also found that people who received at least one dose of the Pfizer vaccine and had been previously infected were half as likely to be reinfected.

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What about the over 80% of those with antibodies (either vaccine, natural or both)?

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If the death differential is truly up to 99.7%, I would say natural immunity is not helping as much as it should?

Either way, we seem to be getting to that magic point of everyone being exposed somehow.

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Your first point on natural immunity not helping is quite the opposite based on what Israel is stating...unless we disagree with their version of science.

Agree we are likely close to an over 90% antibody based on what I am reading....

Fine but lets not say "natural immunity is not helping as much as it should"

If you have had COVID and have antibodies it works and it works better than the vaccine per Israel study.

The issue would be those who think they have natural antibodies but maybe never actually had COVID...

None of these natural immunity vs. vaxxed arguments seem to factor in the time factor. Natural immunity is "a thing," but just like for vaccinations, the strength of the protection varies by individual and over time.

As just one data point, Oklahoma apparently is tracking reinfections as well as breakthrough cases. The raw numbers show 4699 reinfections and 9435 breakthrough cases recorded in the first 20 days of September. In terms of rates, the rate of reinfection is double the rate of breakthrough cases. (See Table included in the link)

https://www.publicradiotulsa.org/post/covid-reinfections-have-jumped-300-may#stream/0

I'm not interested in analyzing or defending the data or methodology, but I do think it is sufficient to debunk the notion that "natural" immunity is perfect or that it is necessarily a sufficient substitute for vaccination (at least after a period of time since in infection). And, of course, this data (for whatever its worth) is presumably just showing positive testing, and does not include severity of cases, hospitalization, etc., which is key.

I don't have a dog in this hunt - I had C19 last December and received the vaccination in April. Just an interesting note offered "for what it's worth."

It's fascinating to me that an article about 9000 unvaccinated people dying brings out all the NATURAL IS BETTER, YOU AREN'T COUNTING NATURAL IMMUNITY people to shout at us.

Yes, it was said that it's sad that 50% of the people aren't vaccinated, but the context of that statement is about how many are dying, not how many have natural immunity. No one in the first three posts mentioned natural as not being good. They just said it was sad that so many are getting sick without any protection when a simple shot is available.

I'm assuming that those who are dying in the hospital because they're not vaccinated didn't have natural immunity or they wouldn't be there.

Perhaps if those who got so sick hadn't thought that covid was NO BIG DEAL and that getting it and having NATURAL IMMUNITY was better than just getting the shot, they would have gotten the vaccine and avoided hospitalization and death.

Of course, not everyone is going to get a serious case of covid. The point is you don't know until you get it, and then it's too late. That's what three of my family members found out the hard way.

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Honestly, I don't believe those numbers. I have read claims on this board of people currently working in TX hospital systems that said...

1. Their was no place in their electronic system to track vax vs no-vax and across the hospital system there was no consistent way that anyone was tracking that data so it was impossible for this person's employer to accurately report said info to any agency.

2. The deaths of vaxxed patients were being coded as non-Covid related deaths (heart attach, pneumonia, stroke, etc...) while deaths of non-vaxxed were being coded as Covid.

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1. The doctors who work in ERs all over the State absolutely believe those numbers. Everyone who posts here and the three I have had conversations with in the last couple of weeks all say the same thing. The unvaccinated are dying.

2. I don't believe your number 2. That type of fraud is impossible to organize or hide. But whatever

Darwin is at work right now.

agsalaska said:

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Darwin is at work right now.

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It would have to be killing young people for natural selection to work

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aTm2004 said:

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Come on. On this board vaccine = good, natural antibodies = ANTIVAXXER!!!!

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That is just not true. You do appreciate that tracking those with natural immunity is much more difficult, right?

Knowing whether you have natural immunity from day to day is a tricky thing, and what your immunity levels are is difficult to determine as well. I don't think anyone thinks natural immunity isn't a thing, but it comes with lots of questions too.

The vaccine works.

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I rest my case.

So all data and logic say this...

1. Being Vaxxed helps you not die from COVID.

2. Getting infected and recovering helps you not die from COVID, probably even moreso than just being vaxxed.

3. Getting infected, recovering and then still getting vaxxed provides the maximum protection.

4. We know almost 100% of deaths in Texas have been to the unvaxxed. I'd wager they were all not previously infected as well, but we can't track that.

Conclusion: Get vaxxed.

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Fine but lets not say "natural immunity is not helping as much as it should"

If you have had COVID and have antibodies it works and it works better than the vaccine per Israel study.

The issue would be those who think they have natural antibodies but maybe never actually had COVID...

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I suspect there are a lot of folks in that group. I completely agree that natural immunity is better than the vaccine. The issue is, millions of people don't have natural immunity because they never had the virus at all, or had such a mild case that they didn't develop durable antibodies. For those people, the vaccine is a far better option than hoping for a good outcome if they get Covid. All of the side effects of the vaccine are lesser than the side effects of actually having Covid, and if you are one of the unlucky ones who end up in the hospital with Covid pneumonia you now have likely long-term lung damage to go along with your natural immunity.

I totally get the teeth-gnashing frustration of those who have natural Covid antibodies - and don't want to get a vaccine they don't necessarily need - getting lumped in with anti-vaxxers who are trusting in Dr Google for their research.

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Honestly, I don't believe those numbers. I have read claims on this board of people currently working in TX hospital systems that said...

1. Their was no place in their electronic system to track vax vs no-vax and across the hospital system there was no consistent way that anyone was tracking that data so it was impossible for this person's employer to accurately report said info to any agency.

2. The deaths of vaxxed patients were being coded as non-Covid related deaths (heart attach, pneumonia, stroke, etc...) while deaths of non-vaxxed were being coded as Covid.

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1. The doctors who work in ERs all over the State absolutely believe those numbers. Everyone who posts here and the three I have had conversations with in the last couple of weeks all say the same thing. The unvaccinated are dying.

2. I don't believe your number 2. That type of fraud is impossible to organize or hide. But whatever

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You mean like the pre-vax fraud where people dying from auto accidents or gun shots were being coded as Covid because they tested positive. Or maybe the ones that were coded as Covid because they had "Covid symptoms" despite numerous negative tests.